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[jollymania]

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[Wings3:16]

Wow overpayment, TSN says 3 mill for one year!

[toby91_ca]

Wow overpayment, TSN says 3 mill for one year!

Overpayment? How?

If I think of other players paid in the $3-4 million range, I can't think of many that Frolov isn't better than.

[Ram]

Good for them. He is a solid player.

[Booster313]

Overpayment.... ?? Frolov > Cleary or Fippula

[Z Winged Dangler]

Overpayment? How?

If I think of other players paid in the $3-4 million range, I can't think of many that Frolov isn't better than.

i'm with wings3:16 on this one. overpayment. he's been getting progressively worse every year. next year, with a rangers team with a recent history of snakebitten offensive production frolov will probably end the 10/11 season with 47 points. write this down, save it...who cares, but this kids laziness and his attitude/work ethic is gonna have him in the KHL sooner than later. 3+ mil per season should be reserved for elite 1 way offensive players or guys that chip in with offensive and defense. that's why flip is worth the money for the wings, and he's getting better...not worse.

[HockeyTownHouligan]

thats a good signing for the rangers, imagine him on a line with gaborik

[toby91_ca]

i'm with wings3:16 on this one. overpayment. he's been getting progressively worse every year. next year, with a rangers team with a recent history of snakebitten offensive production frolov will probably end the 10/11 season with 47 points. write this down, save it...who cares, but this kids laziness and his attitude/work ethic is gonna have him in the KHL sooner than later. 3+ mil per season should be reserved for elite 1 way offensive players or guys that chip in with offensive and defense. that's why flip is worth the money for the wings, and he's getting better...not worse.

That is who you think should be paid $3 million, but when you look around the league at who is paid $3 million or more, Frolov at $3 million does not equal overpayment if you ask me.

I understand your argument and I agree that he is lazy and may wind up in the KHL some year down that line, but you need to consider that this is only a 1 year deal.

Also, Flip's offensive production doesn't even compare to Frolov's, so suggesting he is worth it more because of his defensive game and improving, etc. doesn't really fly with me.

If you think about it, Flip's best year for goals was 19 (this equals Frolov's worst year apart from his 14 goal rookie year). Flip's career best for points is 40. Over the past 5 years, Frolov has averaged better than 26 goals and 60 pts. He also hasn't gotten worse every year. He's down a little bit the last couple years, but he's still put up more than 50pts for 5 years in a row, 48 pts the year before that.

If your prediction is true and he only puts up 47pts, I think that will still more quite a bit more than other players being paid $3 million.

[Bring Back The Bruise Bros]

Frolov-Prospal-Gaborik
Anisimov-Dubinsky-Callahan
Avery-Drury-Christensen
Boogaard-Prust-B.Boyle

Redden-Rozsival(?)
Girardi-M.Staal(?)
Del Zotto-Gilroy

I'm not very familiar with the Rangers' cap situation,but do they have any space left to re-sign Marc Staal?

[toby91_ca]

Frolov-Prospal-Gaborik
Anisimov-Dubinsky-Callahan
Avery-Drury-Christensen
Boogaard-Prust-B.Boyle

Redden-Rozsival(?)
Girardi-M.Staal(?)
Del Zotto-Gilroy

I'm not very familiar with the Rangers' cap situation,but do they have any space left to re-sign Marc Staal?

It would leave about $2 million for Staal, assuming no other changes.

[hooon]

Might be a slight overpayment by a couple hundred thousand, but if you're the Rangers you definitely love this signing, because they need all the help they can get.

That being said, the Rangers are almost entirely made up of talented players who underperform.

[Bring Back The Bruise Bros]

Looking like a very solid lineup,with a decent balance of skill and grit.The defense is gonna be the question mark.

[Hank Dats 'N Homer]

I dont get why people are saying overpayment here. I mean i see their points when they say his play production has gone down each year, but this guy is still very young and will be on the first line for the rangers probably. I think hes going to be pretty good for the Rangers and 3 million is a pretty small price to pay for that kind of player. I mean look around the league there are a ton of guys making that price for much less production. I think thats a pretty good caphit for a player like that. I know LA was a good team last year, but i think he will have a pretty solid year playing on the first line in New York.

[soultrain]

i don't think its an overpayment...but i still wonder why nobody else took a stab at this dude....locker room cancer?

[Wings3:16]

I suppose he's definitely worth a shot for a year, but I would've focused on Marc Staal if I were the Rags

[Z Winged Dangler]

That is who you think should be paid $3 million, but when you look around the league at who is paid $3 million or more, Frolov at $3 million does not equal overpayment if you ask me.

I understand your argument and I agree that he is lazy and may wind up in the KHL some year down that line, but you need to consider that this is only a 1 year deal.

Also, Flip's offensive production doesn't even compare to Frolov's, so suggesting he is worth it more because of his defensive game and improving, etc. doesn't really fly with me.

If you think about it, Flip's best year for goals was 19 (this equals Frolov's worst year apart from his 14 goal rookie year). Flip's career best for points is 40. Over the past 5 years, Frolov has averaged better than 26 goals and 60 pts. He also hasn't gotten worse every year. He's down a little bit the last couple years, but he's still put up more than 50pts for 5 years in a row, 48 pts the year before that.

If your prediction is true and he only puts up 47pts, I think that will still more quite a bit more than other players being paid $3 million.

this just brings up another relevant point in the NHL. what makes a player worth 3 mil? the salary cap was brought in to keep players contracts in perspective. owners are telling GM's they want a player and telling them to wave money in their face. arbitrators are also overpaying some players. NHL stars are also overpaid due to the fact that supporting casts make a team successful, not the 1 or 2 guys putting up 100 pts and the next guy on the team pots 50 pts and expects 4 mil/year.

most teams are up against the cap and trying to shave salary because they throw money around without real thought...campbell, briere etc.

how much do i currently think frolov is worth? 2mil/year. am i glad holland didn't get any ideas and try to sign him? yes.

all this talk about discounts the wings get with players is absurd. holland manages the cap properly and pays most players what they are worth. other GM's should take note. not go out and throw offer sheets to guys like penner 4mil/year as an RFA. it's s*** like that that's making it hard for anyone to predict what a player is worth.

[Hockeytown0001]

He can be good when he wants to be.

[brett]

finally someone to help gabby.

they def need to get on staal though. i wouldnt mind him being on the wings though. i think hes a helleva shut down dman

kings making room for kovyyyy

Edited by brett, 27 July 2010 - 02:03 PM.

[Crymson]

Overpayment.... ?? Frolov > Cleary or Fippula

Umm... do know anything about Frolov? His production decreased dramatically last year, he's as lazy as Lang/Zherdev etc., he is horrible defensively, and he was benched last year for stretches due to lack of effort and production.

That is who you think should be paid $3 million, but when you look around the league at who is paid $3 million or more, Frolov at $3 million does not equal overpayment if you ask me.

I understand your argument and I agree that he is lazy and may wind up in the KHL some year down that line, but you need to consider that this is only a 1 year deal.

Also, Flip's offensive production doesn't even compare to Frolov's, so suggesting he is worth it more because of his defensive game and improving, etc. doesn't really fly with me.

If you think about it, Flip's best year for goals was 19 (this equals Frolov's worst year apart from his 14 goal rookie year). Flip's career best for points is 40. Over the past 5 years, Frolov has averaged better than 26 goals and 60 pts. He also hasn't gotten worse every year. He's down a little bit the last couple years, but he's still put up more than 50pts for 5 years in a row, 48 pts the year before that.

If your prediction is true and he only puts up 47pts, I think that will still more quite a bit more than other players being paid $3 million.

Fil's PPG of last year was almost equal to Frolov's. Fil is excellent defensively; Frolov is terrible. Fil gives 100% effort every game; Frolov is lazy. Fil is a proven playoff performer; Frolov is not.

I'll take Filppula, thanks. Go root for the Rangers, and I'll laugh when Frolov's laziness and general indifference to defense make you bang your head against the wall on a regular basis.

[Original-Six]

A fair price imo. I think this will turn out to be a good signing for the Rangers. He and LA management were butting heads for a while I think Frolov will have a rebound year. A fresh start will do him good.