Scott Stevens: The Definitive Reel

[jollymania 162]

stop this s*** already. All his "punishing" hits came from the right arm

would you like me to hit you in the head? It is not hockey. It is something different.

? you make absolutely no sense dude

That's a major stretch. Just sayin'. Stevens was a freak.

the only guy who comes close to stevens hit-wsie is Sutton imo, a guy who every night seems to be getting a stevens-esque hit.

[Broken 16 381]

Did my best lol. I tried by avoiding getting nailed by saying mini but realize that no one and I mean no one really comes close to Stevens. Its an insult so I retract

I agree about Fisch though. He had a nice nasty streak and he had Chelios showing him all the cheapshot tricks. Not saying that he would be a mini-Stevens either, but I think he was on his way to being really scary.

[jollymania 162]

I agree about Fisch though. He had a nice nasty streak and he had Chelios showing him all the cheapshot tricks. Not saying that he would be a mini-Stevens either, but I think he was on his way to being really scary.

Fischer, like vladdy was probably the next best thing to Stevens. A solidly built guy who will put you though the glass if need be (just ask sedin)

:rotflmao: So the Cooke hit on Savard wasn't head-hunting,eh? The Richards hit on Booth wasn't head-hunting? Like i said, it doesn't happen a lot, but head-hunting in the NHL will always exist. Only a few teams carry enforcers??

*New York Rangers: Derek Boogaard, Brandon Prust

*New York Islanders: Zenon Konopka, Trevor Gillies

*Philadelphia Flyers: Jody Shelley (Some people wouldnt consider Carcillo and Walker as enforcers, but they cause hell as well,so look at it as you will)

*Pittsburgh Penguins-Mike Rupp, Eric Godard

New Jersey Devils-Pierre Luc Letourneau-Leblond

*Buffalo Sabres-Cody McCormick

*Ottawa Senators-Matt Carkner, Chris Neil

*Montreal Canadiens- Well since Laraque was bought out, i'm sure they'll pick someone else up before the start of the sesason.

*Boston Bruins- Shawn Thornton (Gregory Campbell will cause hell, but i wouldn't consider him an enforcer)

*Toronto Maple Leafs-Colton Orr,Mike Brown,Jay Rosehill looks like he'll get more playing time.

*Washington-Newly acquired D.J. King

*Carolina-Looks like Kostopoulos is gonna be doing most of their dirty work, minor leaguers could be brought up

*Florida-Mike Duco(Played mostly in the AHL last year)

*Tampa Bay-Mitch Fritz (Nate Thompson,Steve Downie,and Mathieu Roy will cause hell, but i wouldn't consider any of them enforcers)

*Atlanta Thrashers-Eric Boulton, Chris Thorburn, Ben Eager, Boris Valabik

*Nashville Predators-Wade Belak (Jordin Tootoo)

*St. Louis Blues-Cam Janssen, B.J. Crombeen, Brad Winchester

*Detroit Red Wings- Kenny tends to pick someone up right before the beginning of the season

*Columbus Blue Jackets-Jared Boll, Derek Dorsett

*Chicago Blackhawks-John Scott

*Vancouver Canucks-Rick Rypien, Tanner Glass, Darcy Hordichuk

*Edmonton Oilers-Zack Stortini, Steve MacIntyre, Jim Vandermeer (Colin Fraser, Jason Strudwick, and Theo Peckham will mix it up as well)

*Minnesota Wild-Brad Staubitz (Eric Nystrom isnt gonna shy away either)

*Colorado Avalanche-David Koci, Cody McLeod

*Calgary Flames-Tim Jackman, Raitis Ivanans (Ryan Stone as well)

*Dallas Stars- Krys Barch, Adam Burish, Brian Sutherby

*Phoenix Coyotes- Paul Bissonnette

*Los Angeles Kings-Richard Clune

*San Jose Sharks-Frazer McLaren (Jay Leach and Kent Huskins will mix it up as well)

*Anaheim Ducks-George Parros, Kyle Chipchura, Sheldon Brookbank, Aaron Voros

"Only a few teams" carry enforcers..That's a great one

eager is not an enforcer, and why are we talking about enforcers here, stevens was not one, lets focus on what stevens brought to the table, solid defense, huge hits, leadership, ect.. ect...

Edited July 29, 2010 by jollymania

[HankthaTank 1,100]

Tell 'em Kenny! Who the hell was the analyst? Doug Brown?

[jollymania 162]

Tell 'em Kenny! Who the hell was the analyst? Doug Brown?

Lol Kenny goes nuts on this one, imagine if it was Mickey lol

[Original-Six 254]

Lol Kenny goes nuts on this one, imagine if it was Mickey lol

I think that's the first time i heard Kenny get excited lol.

Edit: i mean Kenny

Edited July 30, 2010 by Original-Six

[GMRwings1983 8,794]

People forget what a great offensive player he was in his prime. It's only in his later years that he became known as just a defensive defenseman.

Also, I can't think of any players who won the Conn Smythe Trophy on defensive play alone throughout the playoffs. He did that in 2000.

[jollymania 162]

I think that's the first time i heard Mickey get excited lol.

*kenny, usually mickey calls the fights, but I have noticed Kenny's overexcitement int he last 2 years, he screams alot more now

People forget what a great offensive player he was in his prime. It's only in his later years that he became known as just a defensive defenseman.

Also, I can't think of any players who won the Conn Smythe Trophy on defensive play alone throughout the playoffs. He did that in 2000.

Well, lids pretty much, but i guess lids' wasn't jsut defense althoguh it could have been. Stevens was easily the 3rd best captain of the 90s in my book behind stevie and sakic

[GMRwings1983 8,794]

*kenny, usually mickey calls the fights, but I have noticed Kenny's overexcitement int he last 2 years, he screams alot more now

Well, lids pretty much, but i guess lids' wasn't jsut defense althoguh it could have been. Stevens was easily the 3rd best captain of the 90s in my book behind stevie and sakic

No Lidstrom scored a lot of points in his 2002 Smythe year. Stevens, however, did it entirely on his defensive play. At least statistically speaking, because leadership isn't judged by stats and that probably had something to do with it as well.

[HankthaTank 1,100]

Can we just start a Fischer tribute thread. Might just cause more depression than anything. Kind of like a "what could have been?" type thing.

[jollymania 162]

No Lidstrom scored a lot of points in his 2002 Smythe year. Stevens, however, did it entirely on his defensive play. At least statistically speaking, because leadership isn't judged by stats and that probably had something to do with it as well.

well i mean lidstrom did it all, his defensive play was pretty much good as stevens was in 00, but that speaks to how good lidstrom is and in no way takes away form the huge accomplishment stevens made with his conn smythe

Instead of HAving guys like scott stevens I would rather have the NHL look more like one of Bettman's latest wet dreams:

[Heroes of Hockeytown 694]

Also, I can't think of any players who won the Conn Smythe Trophy on defensive play alone throughout the playoffs. He did that in 2000.

I don't know if they gave it to Niedermayer in 2007 for his defensive play, but it wasn't for his scoring. He actually posted the same scoring as Stevens (3-8-11) although in two fewer games so he's rockin' that higher PPG.

[GMRwings1983 8,794]

I don't know if they gave it to Niedermayer in 2007 for his defensive play, but it wasn't for his scoring. He actually posted the same scoring as Stevens (3-8-11) although in two fewer games so he's rockin' that higher PPG.

Niedermayer was the worst winner in history, because of his stats and the fact that he isn't nearly as good as Stevens was in 2000.

He won because no one else really stood out that year for the Ducks in terms of obvious Smythe winner. Alfredsson had a great playoff, but losing in 5 games in the Finals and doing jack in the series wasn't going to garner a win in a losing effort.

[Bring Back The Bruise Bros 1,029]

Fischer, like vladdy was probably the next best thing to Stevens. A solidly built guy who will put you though the glass if need be (just ask sedin)

eager is not an enforcer, and why are we talking about enforcers here, stevens was not one, lets focus on what stevens brought to the table, solid defense, huge hits, leadership, ect.. ect...

If you look back, there's a reason why i made that list..

[dragonballgtz 273]

I would even go as far to say we have a mini-Stevens in Stuie. Lays the body in a ver similar way just not as damaging.

Not even close to a mini Stevens. He cannot dish it out and take it the way Stevens could. For him to play so many games as hard as he did that is the big WOW factor to me. Not many could put their bodies through that and expect to play so much.

It would be interesting to see if there would be a penalty in today's NHL on that hit.

No question about it in my mind. The ones that the media would focus on today would be when Niedermayer or Raf would have a guy tied up then Stevens come over and just rock both the opponent and his teammate. Maybe the type of hit like on Kariya...he did manage to take a couple of steps before he got drilled. The whole late thing.

Niedermayer was the worst winner in history, because of his stats and the fact that he isn't nearly as good as Stevens was in 2000.

I'd choose Towes personally. Not really that reliable in 5v5...well nobody was really but he didn't stick out like a Con Smythe winner should.

Edited July 30, 2010 by dragonballgtz

[HankthaTank 1,100]

Not even close to a mini Stevens. He cannot dish it out and take it the way Stevens could. For him to play so many games as hard as he did that is the big WOW factor to me. Not many could put their bodies through that and expect to play so much.

Already posted a retract on that statement  

[dragonballgtz 273]

Already posted a retract on that statement  

Might wanna edit that first post then

[HankthaTank 1,100]

Might wanna edit that first post then

   Post police!!! I'm ok man, there isn't a statistic held here for misspoken posts and if there is such, some people are in trouble.

[dragonballgtz 273]

   Post police!!! I'm ok man, there isn't a statistic held here for misspoken posts and if there is such, some people are in trouble.

Yeah me too since I posted about your initial remark...so sorry. But I do see you are part of the squad as well so forgive me for making a mistake again

[Bring Back The Bruise Bros 1,029]

I'd really like to think that the Stevens hit on Kariya would be legal in today's NHL, but the fact that Kariya was basically motionless on the ice for a while would automatically warrant a penalty and a game misconduct. I watched some of Andy Sutton's highlight reel hits from last year and saw that he did get away with a few elbows, but overall, the tolerance for late hits and head shots and elbows in today's NHL is decreasing. It is what it is.

Edited July 30, 2010 by Bring Back The Bruise Bros

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

Half of his hits are late ones. Some plays scream interference...

Not to say directed to the head. I agree to the fact that hits are meant to be felt and injuries may occur, but some of those hits there are straight out intent to injure.

Like the Lindros hit, or the cross check to the head on the player upside down on the bench.

I'm glad he's not in the game anymore.

Stevens was a devastating hitter, and almost all the time his skates were glued to the ice and his elbows were tucked. People talk about how Kronwall "follows through" when his elbows are coming up. Stevens was a helluva lot cleaner hitter than Kronwall and a lot of other guys in today's NHL are. And a lot of those hits seem late because they're playing at super slow mo.

As for targeting the head? Maybe. He certainly had a sixth sense for when a guy was vulnerable. Kozlov, Kariya and Lindros were all headshots, but they were also guys with their head way down.

Guys get away with jumping into hits too much today. Stevens demonstrated how you can crush guys and still hit properly. And man he was a mean, intimidating SOB. I remember someone on the Wings caught Stevens once with a great hit and knocked him to the ice. He was slow getting up and I was hoping to hell he was hurt. He looked rattled and definitely was shook up, but got up laughing.

[bruisebrother15 29]

I will agree that a few of hits would be called interference today but I disagree with the person who said he elbowed Lindros on that hit. If you look at the replay you can plainly see that his arm is tucked against his body. The elbow only comes up after the hit on the follow through. If your arm is tucked against your body the shoulder, bicep area, and elbow are legal hits. Sticking out your elbow to hit someone is a penalty. The speed of the game makes a lot of these hits look illegal because you react to what happens after the hit. Ask Kronwall.

The Kariya hit was a little late but you are taught not to admire your pass going through the middle.

I was taught to put my shoulder right into the sternum of the opposing player. That area is about 6 inches below the chin. Sometimes if a player had his head down or leaned forward just as I was hitting him, I would catch him on the chin. If he is coming through the middle with his head down that is his fault. Shots to the head that are face to face are hockey, it's the blindsided hits to the head 3 seconds after the pass that we need to get rid of. Some of Stevens hits do fall into that category.

You are going to get hit in the head in hockey. It's a game of intimidation. If you don't want to then go play chess.

[kook_10 1,705]

It should be noted that before the trapezoid rule, opposing players had little recourse besides fighting to deter a defenseman from lighting up your teammate like that. As long as you could drop the gloves you could punish the oppositions forwards as much as you liked. When a guy does that now he will get run every time they dump the puck in and spend the whole game looking over his shoulder.

Edited July 30, 2010 by kook_10

[Bring Back The Bruise Bros 1,029]

That's something I'd like to see the league ease up on are the hooking, holding, and interference penalties. With guys getting blasted on dump-and-chase plays, the league needs to allow players to slow down opposing players (in this example,on the forecheck) to avoid these incidents. I'm not saying a guy can use both hands to obstruct a guy, but give him a little clutch. The zero-tolerance system for clutching and hooking is ridiculous.I don't think I'm the only one who feels this way either.

[jollymania 162]

Stevens was a devastating hitter, and almost all the time his skates were glued to the ice and his elbows were tucked. People talk about how Kronwall "follows through" when his elbows are coming up. Stevens was a helluva lot cleaner hitter than Kronwall and a lot of other guys in today's NHL are. And a lot of those hits seem late because they're playing at super slow mo.

As for targeting the head? Maybe. He certainly had a sixth sense for when a guy was vulnerable. Kozlov, Kariya and Lindros were all headshots, but they were also guys with their head way down.

Guys get away with jumping into hits too much today. Stevens demonstrated how you can crush guys and still hit properly. And man he was a mean, intimidating SOB. I remember someone on the Wings caught Stevens once with a great hit and knocked him to the ice. He was slow getting up and I was hoping to hell he was hurt. He looked rattled and definitely was shook up, but got up laughing.

exactly, there are guys like Sutton, boychuk, and wilson who look alot like stevens out there. Guys liek Phaneuf and Kronwall are more of your take it to the edge hitters.