Canadian_Yzerman_Fan 7 Report post Posted August 3, 2010 Malts' time for free love is over. Same as Cheli's was last offseason. As for defense, I completely agree that a stable, veteran Dman is *essential* for the bottom pairing, but Modano's signing won't eliminate the chance of bringing in a $1 million guy, which is all they really need. on top of that, Modo gives the Wings so much depth up front it'll be sick. It'll have to be someone for under a million. If you give Abdelkader and Helm $900,000 each (probably fairly accurate), then there is about $700,000 left in cap space. Holland definitely wants at least $500,000 for injury call ups during the season, so the way this likely plays out is Meech gets traded for a low pick and a veteran D-man is signed for about $700,000-$800,000 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
haroldsnepsts 4,826 Report post Posted August 3, 2010 i must be still drunk. i cant believe this. ken holland is really liking these one year deals. and then bring the player back again. ok so tuzzi AND modano. am i the only one NOT liking this? nick has started to age, malts is getting NO love. am i the only one who thinks we should have gotten a damn good d-man for a few years than sign modano for one? i think kenny is experimenting with something... No, you're definitely not alone. Modano has the upside of giving the Wings three scoring lines, which they're gonna need because right now their bottom defensive pairing is suspect, and if a D man gets injured this season it's gonna be big problems. And all of that in front of a sophomore goaltender. I like that Modano makes three scary lines for the Wings, I just think it only leaves money for a plugger on the bottom pairing instead of a guy who we could've had for a few years and would've been a slight upgrade. 2 Veery and GoWings1905 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Broken 16 381 Report post Posted August 3, 2010 No, you're definitely not alone. Modano has the upside of giving the Wings three scoring lines, which they're gonna need because right now their bottom defensive pairing is suspect, and if a D man gets injured this season it's gonna be big problems. And all of that in front of a sophomore goaltender. I like that Modano makes three scary lines for the Wings, I just think it only leaves money for a plugger on the bottom pairing instead of a guy who we could've had for a few years and would've been a slight upgrade. Maybe the guy Kenny has in mind for the bottom pair isn't available yet and this is just a time killer? Or not. Either way, pretty cool when the only thing we have to gripe about is the bottom pair and lack of a fighter. I'll take that 'problem' every season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeverForgetMac25 483 Report post Posted August 3, 2010 It'll have to be someone for under a million. If you give Abdelkader and Helm $900,000 each (probably fairly accurate), then there is about $700,000 left in cap space. Holland definitely wants at least $500,000 for injury call ups during the season, so the way this likely plays out is Meech gets traded for a low pick and a veteran D-man is signed for about $700,000-$800,000 Not necessarily. Using $900,000 for both Helm and Abs, $1.25 for Modano and $1 million for a Veteran Dman puts the Wings $275,377 over the cap. If Kenny moves Miller and Meech, that gives the Wings $874,623 worth of cap space with a 22-Man roster of 13 forwards, 7 Dmen and 2 goalies signed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeverForgetMac25 483 Report post Posted August 3, 2010 No, you're definitely not alone. Modano has the upside of giving the Wings three scoring lines, which they're gonna need because right now their bottom defensive pairing is suspect, and if a D man gets injured this season it's gonna be big problems. And all of that in front of a sophomore goaltender. I like that Modano makes three scary lines for the Wings, I just think it only leaves money for a plugger on the bottom pairing instead of a guy who we could've had for a few years and would've been a slight upgrade. I understand these sentiments completely. I've been terrified by the thought of that bottom pairing for the last few months, but now that numbers are in there's really no reason Modano's signing will keep Kenny and Co. from bringing in what they need for the bottom pairing. If Miller and Meech are moved, Kenny can realistically add a Dman costing $1.375 million and still have $500k for the injury bug. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Echolalia 2,961 Report post Posted August 3, 2010 Wow. I didn't realize the Stars' home opener was against the Wings. Should make for an interesting night. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sputman 1,268 Report post Posted August 3, 2010 Wow. I didn't realize the Stars' home opener was against the Wings. Should make for an interesting night. that kind of thing always seems to happen, doesn't it? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest mindfly Report post Posted August 3, 2010 The question is if there's a market for meech and miller? They got a GR Defenseman and a 5th rounder for Leino, but leino had a bit more hype surrounding him... miller was a lightning waived player and meech has had en spare D spot on the wings for quite some time now...best case scenario is a 5-7th rounder eh? 1 55fan reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
newfy 695 Report post Posted August 3, 2010 This coupled with the return of Huds and a healthy Cleary is going to give us an absolutely sick third line. Hopefully this means Miller and Meech are out the door via trade for a solid bottom pairing defenseman or picks then we can sign Hnidy. Maybe Holland really thinks Smith can do it though so who knows Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Z and D for the C 712 Report post Posted August 3, 2010 (edited) Holland definitely wants at least $500,000 for injury call ups during the season I don't buy that for one second. I know he has said it, but I think it's just a line to potentially throw other teams off. Holland will ice the best team possible and if that means spending right up to the cap, that's what I think he will do. I'm hoping soon after Modano announces signing here, Holland resigns all of Helm, Abds and Lilja and trades/waives Miller and Meech. After that, we had a great off season and I can't wait for the season to start so we can kick ass. Edited August 3, 2010 by Z and D for the C 1 55fan reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zion 93 Report post Posted August 3, 2010 Please don't move Drew Miller. Meech and Ritola, please... Draper's contract (as much as I love the guy) really hurts about now, considering he's the 13th forward. I really like the forward lines, but now is the time to post some SERIOUS possibilities for defensemen. New thread? Ready... go! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
newfy 695 Report post Posted August 3, 2010 Please don't move Drew Miller. Meech and Ritola, please... Draper's contract (as much as I love the guy) really hurts about now, considering he's the 13th forward. I really like the forward lines, but now is the time to post some SERIOUS possibilities for defensemen. New thread? Ready... go! Who would you move besides Miller and Meech. I agree I would get rid of draper over Miller but thats not going to happen, so what else can you do. I would rather have a solid 6th dman then a combo of Miller and Meech, Theyre not needed this season Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest mindfly Report post Posted August 3, 2010 Zion, Draper is untouchable at this stage of his career to be honest, the loyalty factor, that he only has 1year left, that he has a NTC... it's impossible the owners and management group would treat such a player with a trade/waive now. 1 55fan reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CMatt89 63 Report post Posted August 3, 2010 I would rather see Abdelkader get the opportunity. Eaves/Miller? which one doesnt play now? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hockey23 79 Report post Posted August 3, 2010 It'll have to be someone for under a million. If you give Abdelkader and Helm $900,000 each (probably fairly accurate), then there is about $700,000 left in cap space. Holland definitely wants at least $500,000 for injury call ups during the season, so the way this likely plays out is Meech gets traded for a low pick and a veteran D-man is signed for about $700,000-$800,000 Trade Meech and you'll have $1.2 in cap space with carrying 14 forwards. There's no need for $500k for injury call ups. I keep hearing Holland wants to carry a full 23 man roster (14f 7d) so there wouldn't be a roster spot for a call up even if we had the cap room. Someone would have to go on LTIR anyway. So, spend the full $1.2 on d man. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Learn2LuvIt 245 Report post Posted August 3, 2010 oh boy, this offense is shapinp up to be a dandy. Unfortunatley, I'm not sure if the fat lady isn't warming up at the Maltby house...at least for his days here as a Wing. In addition, if Mike gels well and is contributing offensively, (by the numbers...not by arbitrary feelings such as "he had a few good plays last game and looked like the old Madano" type banter) I would look for Kenny to package up a few players (maybe a few Griffs and maybe one regular Wing??) for a solid defensemen before the trade deadline. Not a huge name D, just a solid vetran who can be trusted and can make a good first pass. I realize that many, including Cleary, have NTC's, but I gotta believe Kenny knows deep down he's going to need some help on D if they plan to go deep into the playoffs. IMO...I think Kenny wants to watch how the early/mid part of this season plays out and look to see who is expendable, then make a deal for for a D man. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Travis 576 Report post Posted August 3, 2010 I would rather see Abdelkader get the opportunity. Eaves/Miller? which one doesnt play now? I take Eaves over Miller, personally. I feel that they offer essentially the same thing. Though I liked the Eaves, Miller, Helm line when it was in place last year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Electrophile 3,554 Report post Posted August 3, 2010 So he finally decided to get off the pot, eh? Meh. 3 55fan, Veery and vladdy16 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wings4Life19 150 Report post Posted August 3, 2010 Wow. I didn't realize the Stars' home opener was against the Wings. Should make for an interesting night. Not to mention chicago is hosting the wings for their home opener(skip the first 20 minutes) modano vs turco Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest mindfly Report post Posted August 3, 2010 Lots of great games early next season foooooooooo shizzleeee 1 55fan reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Z and D for the C 712 Report post Posted August 3, 2010 So he finally decided to get off the pot, eh? Meh. Actually, using the metaphor, he's s***ting. 2 Uncle Danny and Frozen-Man reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Majsheppard 203 Report post Posted August 3, 2010 Unfortunatley, I'm not sure if the fat lady isn't warming up at the Maltby house...at least for his days here as a Wing. I hoped we could have signed him to a 2-way deal and let him lead the Griffs and be a call up if needed. He is still solid defensively, but obviously there is zero room for him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wings4Life19 150 Report post Posted August 3, 2010 breaking news: ESPN has cancelled Modano's "Decision" and replace it with Favre's. typical ESPN, putting hockey last Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Buppy 1,720 Report post Posted August 3, 2010 Please don't move Drew Miller. Meech and Ritola, please... Draper's contract (as much as I love the guy) really hurts about now, considering he's the 13th forward. I really like the forward lines, but now is the time to post some SERIOUS possibilities for defensemen. New thread? Ready... go! Technically 14th, maybe 15th depending on how Ritola does at camp. But as others said he's untouchable. Someone has to go; Eaves, Miller, and Ritola are the only options (Maybe Abby, I think he is still waiver exempt). Trade Meech and you'll have $1.2 in cap space with carrying 14 forwards. There's no need for $500k for injury call ups. I keep hearing Holland wants to carry a full 23 man roster (14f 7d) so there wouldn't be a roster spot for a call up even if we had the cap room. Someone would have to go on LTIR anyway. So, spend the full $1.2 on d man. You can still call up replacements for short term injuries that aren't eligible for LTIR exemption. But with a full roster there'd have to be 4 such injuries before it became an issue. And we don't really have anyone to call up anyway, so it's even less of an issue. But $1-1.5 million isn't going to get much of a defenseman. Saving ~$800k for a deadline move though, would allow us to add $3M+ in salary. Not sure who might be available in that price range, but likely much better than anything we could get for around $1M. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest mindfly Report post Posted August 3, 2010 Holland has however stated that abdelkader and helm WILL in fact be on the team, they are not going to be sent down when they're 23 2 55fan and wings1110 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
