newfy 695 Report post Posted August 9, 2010 I wouldn't say that. He was a good leader. Naslund too, which is another good Swedish captain, and he's the one I'm surprised no one has argued on me with. I had a hard time choosing between him and Linden. People from Ontario would say otherwise about Sundin. Toronto fans generally thought he was a sick player that could never win a thing and not a great leader. He put up points but was never one to sacrifice the body for the team or anything like Yzerman would Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,794 Report post Posted August 9, 2010 People from Ontario would say otherwise about Sundin. Toronto fans generally thought he was a sick player that could never win a thing and not a great leader. He put up points but was never one to sacrifice the body for the team or anything like Yzerman would They're bitter about their team's woes and history since 1967. Sundin is the ideal fall guy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
newfy 695 Report post Posted August 9, 2010 They're bitter about their team's woes and history since 1967. Sundin is the ideal fall guy. Yeah but at least with Dougie their team was somewhat successful. They were one missed highstick call on dougie from a Stanley cup probably. Sundin just seemed like a cancer. He comes back from injury in 02 and the team does s***ty after being on a great run without him to the confrence finals Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,794 Report post Posted August 9, 2010 Yeah but at least with Dougie their team was somewhat successful. They were one missed highstick call on dougie from a Stanley cup probably. Sundin just seemed like a cancer. He comes back from injury in 02 and the team does s***ty after being on a great run without him to the confrence finals I think Wendel Clark was their captain in 1993, as an earlier poster said. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest LarryMurphySpecial Report post Posted August 9, 2010 I agree with most of this list, especailly seeing some Greg Johnson love. Arnott may be a better player, but Johnson was a very likable and hard working dude. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Slave 31 Report post Posted August 9, 2010 calgary - mcdonald Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eva unit zero 271 Report post Posted August 9, 2010 Ducks - Scott Niedermayer Thrashers - Scott Mellanby Bruins - Ray Bourque Sabres - Pat LaFontaine Flames - Lanny McDonald Hurricanes - Ron Francis Blackhawks - Pierre Pilote Avalanche - Joe Sakic Blue Jackets - Adam Foote Stars - Mark Tinordi Red Wings - Steve Yzerman Oilers - Wayne Gretzky Panthers - Brian Skrudland Kings - Wayne Gretzky Wild - Mikko Koivu Canadiens - Jean Beliveau Predators - Greg Johnson Devils - Scott Stevens Islanders - Denis Potvin Rangers - Mark Messier Senators - Daniel Alfredsson Flyers - Bobby Clarke Penguins - Mario Lemieux Coyotes - Shane Doan Sharks - Owen Nolan Blues - Brian Sutter Lightning - Dave Andreychuk Leafs - George Armstrong Canucks - Trevor Linden Capitals - Dale Hunter Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eva unit zero 271 Report post Posted August 9, 2010 I wouldn't say that. He was a good leader. Naslund too, which is another good Swedish captain, and he's the one I'm surprised no one has argued on me with. I had a hard time choosing between him and Linden. The biggest issue for Naslund is former linemate Linden, who pretty much taught him how to be a leader. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,794 Report post Posted August 10, 2010 The biggest issue for Naslund is former linemate Linden, who pretty much taught him how to be a leader. Can't believe you only disagreed with me on two of them. MacDonald I thought about, but Iginla has carried that franchise offensively for a long time. I know they haven't gone far in the playoffs, but I don't think his leadership should be questioned. MacDonald played on teams more loaded with talent and other leaders, not that it should diminish his role on that team. That was another close one, but I ultimately chose Iginla. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MacK_Attack 108 Report post Posted August 10, 2010 (edited) And to add to your argument, Gilmour wasn't even the Leafs Captain when they went to the WCF in 1993 and 1994, it was Clark. Dougie was Captain after Clark was traded before the 1995 lockout shortened season, and only wore the C until he was traded to NJ at the 1997 deadline. I think Armstrong is a no-brainer! The only name in Leafs history that I would argue is Syl Apps. He captained the Leafs to three Cups, with WWII service in between them. And retired while still one of the best in the game. As for Sundin, I would argue he was a fine leader and player, but generally had nothing to work with. Edited August 10, 2010 by MacK_Attack Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eva unit zero 271 Report post Posted August 12, 2010 Can't believe you only disagreed with me on two of them. MacDonald I thought about, but Iginla has carried that franchise offensively for a long time. I know they haven't gone far in the playoffs, but I don't think his leadership should be questioned. MacDonald played on teams more loaded with talent and other leaders, not that it should diminish his role on that team. That was another close one, but I ultimately chose Iginla. I felt you chose Iginla because he brought everything on the ice. MacDonald did as well, but he wasn't quite the physical force Ignla had been, which is exactla why I feel you made your decision. Iginla was certainly a quality leader, but MacDonald was the top captain for the Flames. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eva unit zero 271 Report post Posted August 12, 2010 Can't believe you only disagreed with me on two of them. MacDonald I thought about, but Iginla has carried that franchise offensively for a long time. I know they haven't gone far in the playoffs, but I don't think his leadership should be questioned. MacDonald played on teams more loaded with talent and other leaders, not that it should diminish his role on that team. That was another close one, but I ultimately chose Iginla. I felt you chose Iginla because he brought everything on the ice. MacDonald did as well, but he wasn't quite the physical force Ignla had been, which is exactla why I feel you made your decision. Iginla was certainly a quality leader, but MacDonald was the top captain for the Flames. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dragonballgtz 273 Report post Posted August 12, 2010 Was Gretzky really that good as a leader? I know he has tons of points but was he good in the locker room as well? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
toby91_ca 620 Report post Posted August 12, 2010 Was Gretzky really that good as a leader? I know he has tons of points but was he good in the locker room as well? To be honest, you can't really answer that question about anyone unless you were actually part of the team. 2 mjlegend and Original-Six reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,794 Report post Posted August 13, 2010 (edited) Was Gretzky really that good as a leader? I know he has tons of points but was he good in the locker room as well? Gretzky was always underrated as a leader and underrated for being a hard working player also. When you're that much better than anyone else, people tend to overlook the intangibles that make most players special, and focus on the WOW factor instead. I've never heard anyone say anything but good things about his leadership in the locker room. Edited August 13, 2010 by GMRwings1983 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjlegend 155 Report post Posted August 13, 2010 Excellent thread idea. Bill Cook over Messier with the Rangers. (led them in 1933, one of the top 50 players of all time who spent most of his career with the Rangers). Mess just led a bunch of overpaid plugs to the win, didn't even get the Conn Smythe that year. Dit Clapper over Bourque with the Bruins. Number was retired upon retirement and was immediately (that night) enshrined in the Hall of Fame. I might be in the minority, but I'd argue Rod Langway over Hunter for longevity and individual accomplishment, within the parameters here. Last pure shutdown guy to wint he Norris, led them to their first lengthy playoff appearance... For defunct/moved teams: Original Ottawa Senators: Cy Dennehy Montreal Maroons: Hooley Smith New York Americans: Red Dutton California/Oakland Golden Seals: Ted Hampson Kansas City Scouts: Simon Nolet Cleveland Barons: Jim Nielson/Bob Stewart Atlanta Flames: Tom Lysiak Colorado Rockies: Wilf Paiemont Minnesota North Stars: Paul Shmyr Quebec Nordiques: Joe Sakic Winnipeg Jets: Dale Hawerchuk The Mighty Whale: Ron Francis Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
