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#261 Broken 16

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Posted 10 August 2010 - 09:00 PM

In my opinion, Hnidy would have brought more to the team. Granted, Hnidy isn't the most injury-free guy either, but he's a lot meaner and would give us that physical presence i think we lack on defense. I don't think Salei will bring nearly the same edge.



It's hockey. Nobody is injury-free. Some only appear to be that way because they play through it. Seriously... people fixate way too much on injury history.

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Posted 10 August 2010 - 09:04 PM

It's hockey. Nobody is injury-free. Some only appear to be that way because they play through it. Seriously... people fixate way too much on injury history.

I'm aware of this...Bottom line is Hnidy would've been a better signing than Salei..
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Posted 10 August 2010 - 09:05 PM

I like:

Lids Kronwall
Rafi Stuart
Salei Ericsson

Gives Kronwall some first line experience. Stuart will get some steady play from Rafi and he can cover rafi when he plays more offensively. ericsson and salei just need to be solid. salei will clear the net, ericsson can move the puck to safety. no real offensive threat in the third pairing but meh, u cant have everything in life. I just don't want to see lids and rafi together again, its just scary when other teams forecheck. Each pairing has a solid non-injury prone guy lol.

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Posted 10 August 2010 - 09:08 PM

I like:

Lids Kronwall
Rafi Stuart
Salei Ericsson

Gives Kronwall some first line experience. Stuart will get some steady play from Rafi and he can cover rafi when he plays more offensively. ericsson and salei just need to be solid. salei will clear the net, ericsson can move the puck to safety. no real offensive threat in the third pairing but meh, u cant have everything in life. I just don't want to see lids and rafi together again, its just scary when other teams forecheck. Each pairing has a solid non-injury prone guy lol.

Hopefully Janik gets some playing time. He really proved he can play at the NHL level last year. Salei will miss games, and Janik will take his spot :thumbup:
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Posted 10 August 2010 - 09:12 PM

I'm aware of this...Bottom line is Hnidy would've been a better signing than Salei..



Actually, it isn't the bottom line. It's an opinion. I think Salei is going to fit seamlessly into the line-up. Babcock is familiar with him. Besides, I'd much rather have Salei mentoring our young guys.

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Posted 10 August 2010 - 09:16 PM

Actually, it isn't the bottom line. It's an opinion. I think Salei is going to fit seamlessly into the line-up. Babcock is familiar with him. Besides, I'd much rather have Salei mentoring our young guys.

Oh, well pardon me. If he can stay relatively healthy, he'll be an effective shot-blocker, other than that, he won't provide much, like the snarl that Hnidy could.
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Posted 10 August 2010 - 09:35 PM

Oh, well pardon me. If he can stay relatively healthy, he'll be an effective shot-blocker, other than that, he won't provide much, like the snarl that Hnidy could.

hnidy isn't some bad ass guy you know
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Posted 10 August 2010 - 09:48 PM

hnidy isn't some bad ass guy you know

Hnidy is a pretty damn physical guy and a solid fighter. Clears the crease and is overall fits the bill of a mean stay at home defenseman.

I'm not saying I would have rather had him then Salei but to put down what Hnidy is capable of because we didn't sign him is dumb

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Posted 10 August 2010 - 09:57 PM

Hopefully Janik gets some playing time. He really proved he can play at the NHL level last year. Salei will miss games, and Janik will take his spot :thumbup:


I can understand not being overly excited about Salei. But I don't really get wanting Janik, who has barely cracked an NHL lineup, to get time over a guy who is an established NHL defenseman.

Janik didn't look awful in the 13 games he was here, but he was still behind Lebda, Ericsson, Lilja and Meech. That must mean something about this guys level of play.

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Posted 10 August 2010 - 10:02 PM

Hnidy is a pretty damn physical guy and a solid fighter. Clears the crease and is overall fits the bill of a mean stay at home defenseman.

I'm not saying I would have rather had him then Salei but to put down what Hnidy is capable of because we didn't sign him is dumb

im not putting down Hnidy, they are similar players but salei has done much more with his career, and Hnidy is NOT that physical of a guy

HITS 08-09 (salei played 5 more games):

Salei Hnidy

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Double for salei

hnidy - 4 fights last year, wow those 4 fights (3 losses and a draw) would really make a difference

Edited by jollymania, 10 August 2010 - 10:08 PM.

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Posted 10 August 2010 - 10:06 PM

I don't consider guys like Sutton or Hnidy to be enforcers.

You guys are just stereotyping based on my previous posts in other threads. Here, we're talking about tough 3rd pair defensemen and not wingers who are straight up enforcers like Boogaard. That's changing the topic and talking about the 4th line, which is not what I'm doing in this thread, although I have done it before in those threads.

I just want to know why posters criticize defensemen who can't skate and take occasional bad penalties, and then they praise this signing. It seems hypocritical to me and I don't think it's because Salei is perceived as being really good all around, because he's really not. He's a straight up defensive defenseman, just like many of the other players me and several other posters have wanted.

There's definitely an element of people rejecting any other physical defenseman that's been suggested here. Then Kenny does it and he's a genius. :lol:

Just wait until Salei makes a few turnovers. People here will be lighting their torches.

That's not to say Salei is any worse than a bottom pairing guy, but the standard here for D men is often Nick Lidstrom. Which means 99.9% of the dmen in the league must be turnover prone and useless. ;)

Edited by haroldsnepsts, 10 August 2010 - 10:07 PM.


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Posted 10 August 2010 - 11:18 PM

im not putting down Hnidy, they are similar players but salei has done much more with his career, and Hnidy is NOT that physical of a guy

HITS 08-09 (salei played 5 more games):

Salei Hnidy

107 47

Double for salei

hnidy - 4 fights last year, wow those 4 fights (3 losses and a draw) would really make a difference

Hnidy would take care of a problem the wings had last season. Standing aronud and letting guys have whacks at rebounds wouldn't happen with him on the ice. I don't think Salei has the same mean streak as Hnidy does at all when it comes to net front play anymore, Hnidy is tough to play against out there. Even more so then Salie I think.

I'm happy with Ruslan though because he is a pretty solid overall player and an improvement over Lilja

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Posted 10 August 2010 - 11:22 PM

If I remember correctly, Salei has never been an adept skater, and is known for taking dumb penalties from time to time.

Many posters here have adamantly criticized others who have wanted a tough defenseman of some kind, for the same reasons as those I listed above. Yet those same posters have praised Salei without reserve.

Hypocrites?


I don't think the critique was having a tough defenseman, but the "need" to have a tough defenseman in the lineup. The team isn't trying to be the in your face teams they were in the late 90s.

And I don't see how this signing is "great", either. Just a bottom pairing guy who has some injury issues. Nothing much to praise or hate about it. We'll have to see at training camp/preseason how this guy adapts to the system.

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Posted 10 August 2010 - 11:24 PM

Hnidy would take care of a problem the wings had last season. Standing aronud and letting guys have whacks at rebounds wouldn't happen with him on the ice. I don't think Salei has the same mean streak as Hnidy does at all when it comes to net front play anymore, Hnidy is tough to play against out there. Even more so then Salie I think.

I'm happy with Ruslan though because he is a pretty solid overall player and an improvement over Lilja

is crease clearing really THAT important? And do you really pay attention to players who "clear the crease" because it seems like something that 99% of people would ignore
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Posted 11 August 2010 - 12:00 AM

is crease clearing really THAT important? And do you really pay attention to players who "clear the crease" because it seems like something that 99% of people would ignore


crease clearing is underrated. hard to get second chance opportunities when your boxed out or on your ass
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Posted 11 August 2010 - 12:23 AM

crease clearing is underrated. hard to get second chance opportunities when your boxed out or on your ass

it is important, yes, but very few guys make a name for themselves by "clearing the crease" and tbh pretty much all defensemen are taught to do this and do do it regularly
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Posted 11 August 2010 - 12:32 AM

crease clearing is underrated. hard to get second chance opportunities when your boxed out or on your ass


It's nice to have that in a 3rd line defenseman but it isn't something the team is lacking. It's not like Detroit was victim to a plethora of close-crease goals last season.

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Posted 11 August 2010 - 12:38 AM

it is important, yes, but very few guys make a name for themselves by "clearing the crease" and tbh pretty much all defensemen are taught to do this and do do it regularly


not all defensemen can do it. Just look at our defensemen with the exception of stuart. they suck at clearing the crease. Lids gets a pass because of his excellent stick work.

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Posted 11 August 2010 - 12:44 AM

It's nice to have that in a 3rd line defenseman but it isn't something the team is lacking. It's not like Detroit was victim to a plethora of close-crease goals last season.

I disagree. honestly I'd say they were the victim of exactly that pretty often last season.

There were a lot of times the Wings were outnumbered around their own net, and opponents had several good whacks at a loose puck without even being touched.

it is important, yes, but very few guys make a name for themselves by "clearing the crease" and tbh pretty much all defensemen are taught to do this and do do it regularly

They're taught to do it, but you need a player of size and with some edge to do it well. And honestly I think it is something the Wings are lacking.

Lidstrom has compensated for his lack of size with smarts and skill and tying up the stick. No one on the Wings really clears the crease that well except maybe Stuart. Ericsson has the size but doesn't use it well yet. Raf and Kronwall just get overpowered or aren't the one battling in front of the net.

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Posted 11 August 2010 - 12:51 AM

It's nice to have that in a 3rd line defenseman but it isn't something the team is lacking. It's not like Detroit was victim to a plethora of close-crease goals last season.


countless times i saw our guys standing around playing with their balls and letting the other team get good in close opportunities. Obviously witht the personnel we currently have on D right now this isn't possible, but our guys have to make the front of the net a living hell to be in, kinda like what homer puts up with. right now it's more of a country club atmosphere in front of our net. Raffi is the guy who carries your bag when you arrive.

However, this shall change in the next few years with the smiths, lasshoffs, erdhardts, nicastro, kolosolovs, coming up.








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