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[scottj]

You wouldnt be able to see out of it in the day anyway. All of Detroits banners would be blocking the view.

AYYYY YOOOOOOOOO!!!

[Yzermania19]

I'm on that "green bandwagon" myself (yes, I'm a crunchy granola type), but I can't see the reason for a retractable roof on a hockey arena. Football, maybe. Baseball, definitely. But hockey? Pointless. Plus that glass ceililng would melt the ice on a sunny day, even in the dead of winter. A hockey arena environment has to be a near-perfect blend of keeping the ice cold enough for the players to play effectively (and safely), while maintaining the comfort level of the fans. The Joe gets it right probably 95% of the time - there have just been a few games I've been to where it felt a little on the cold side, but once the other 20,000+ fans shoehorned themselves in, it was usually fine.

But I do like the wider seats (some of us are a bit larger than average...) with cupholders. Tray tables to hold your overpriced pizza slice would be nice, too. LOL

[Casey]

Yeah, its Google Sketchup, and its the first building I ever made on it, so it isn't perfect. But I think its not bad for my first try.

Excellent work. I just wish the arena would be where the Joe sits- it's too perfect a location for those of us coming up 75.

[schulzte]

If you click on the link below, you can see drawings of previous Kadushin projects. The Red Wings proposal in the News appears to be a total rehash of previous projects, particularly a Windsor Arena proposal.

Kadushin Sports Proposals

New Olympia Stadium

[Hockeytown0001]

I'd prefer the new rink to not look exactly like the old Olympia stadium. That's just me.

[Majsheppard]

Hate it. The Joe is hockey.

[Trapt1307]

Looks like a spaceship.

[Doc Holliday]

Yeah, its Google Sketchup, and its the first building I ever made on it, so it isn't perfect. But I think its not bad for my first try.

Ever tried rendering it in revit?

I think you could transfer the sketchup models in there and then render it with lights and everything.

[crotty99]

Looks like a rink that Coyotes fans could sell out.

Judging by these pics, I think this really was an artisits impression of a new Coyotes Rink.

[T.Low]

For starters, the suites. Scouts, GMs, announcers, and other big spenders want to see all the action evenly. It is incredibly hard to know exactly what is going on at one end of the ice if you are opposite the rink. That's why center ice seats are the best. They give an overall better view than the end seats.
Also the retractable roof seems like a bad idea unless the energy savings (most games occur during night anyway and the rink has to be cool which would not be helped by a large amount of sunlight) outweigh the cost of building the roof and cooling the rink.

I disagree. I've come to like the corner seats best, like that in the first picture.

Whenever I went to Chiliwack to watch Matt Butcher play for the Chiefs I always could spot his father Garth in the corner seats. We'd go over and say hello and he said the corner seats were the best for watching the play develop. At first I just thought it was because as an NHL defensemen, he was more used to seeing the game as it came at him...but then I just realized that he was right, thats all.

And for the Wings pregame warm-up, go stand directly behind the goal; unbeleivable.

[CMatt89]

That would be an awesome college, AHL, or foriegn hockey stadium. But For the Wings...no. Too many suites, not enough regular seating. The glass roof could cause a glare during day games, and lighting strikes on stormy nights would cause as a distraction. The Wings need a stadium that will always look full, and always sounds loud.

[Nic]

Yeah, its Google Sketchup, and its the first building I ever made on it, so it isn't perfect. But I think its not bad for my first try.

Yours is a MUCH better choice than the proposed mock up. As someone else said, those rows of seating would have to be VERY high up to accommodate 20,000. While The Joe is old and outdated, the biggest perk of the place, aside from history, is that there isn't a bad seat in it for any event. Also I think that the steps/seating rows are way too steep...the expansion of seat space and leg room furthers the higher rows argument.
The Joe was planned and constructed masterfully. Honestly, I wouldn't be opposed to keeping The Joe and giving it an updated face lift. A new Olympia would be my strong second choice even though I'm too young to have any memory of the the Olympia.

Edited by Nic, 10 August 2010 - 01:14 AM.

[schulzte]

I wouldn't go so far as to say the Joe was designed masterfully...it didn't even have a press box when it opened. However, it does provide simple, good viewing for 20,000 fans and the upper bowl isn't in the stratosphere with two levels of suites below to push it higher. I think the New Olympia plan provides enough suites and club seats without sacrificing the experience for the majority of the fans, like many arenas do, including the one proposed by the architects featured in the Detroit News.

New Olympia Stadium

[F.Michael]

I've always liked Schulzte's concept of a New Olympia

[zombi]

How about they revamp Joe Louis and let the Pistons play there, then build the new Olympia and the Wings will play there!

I doubt they would shell out the cash for that, but one can dream.

[Kira]

My only wish for a new arena would be better handicap accessibility.

[schulzte]

I don't really have a preference for where to sit in an arena other than high up in the opponent's shoot twice end. Even at the Joe, those seats are a long way from the action when there is a power play on the opposite end of the ice. If your going to be high up in the arena, center ice is better. In the lower bowl, center ice or the home shoots twice end is best. The good thing about the New Olympia design is that those highest end seats are pushed closer to the ice horizontally, so they are closer to the ice than at the Joe. The third level on the ends would be pretty steep and feel like they are hanging over the ice.

New Olympia Stadium

[blgillett]

With illitch trying to buy the pistons is anyone else as nervous as I am about ice quality? With Pistons one day and wings the next or worse yet one in afternoon the other that night we could end up with crappy ice like a lot of the NHL teams!

[Datsyukian Deke 13]

Is this guy even a hockey fan?

Does he have a location in mind that could allow for all these ideas to function properly?

I'm having trouble getting into an idea where the designer doesn't actually know what it is like to be in an NHL arena other than input from fans.

For starters, the suites. Scouts, GMs, announcers, and other big spenders want to see all the action evenly. It is incredibly hard to know exactly what is going on at one end of the ice if you are opposite the rink. That's why center ice seats are the best. They give an overall better view than the end seats.

Also the retractable roof seems like a bad idea unless the energy savings (most games occur during night anyway and the rink has to be cool which would not be helped by a large amount of sunlight) outweigh the cost of building the roof and cooling the rink.

This is was my initial reaction. I feel like the average hockey fan would not like that kind of rink....especially red wings fans who appreciate the "old barn" feel to Joe Louis.



On a side note, your avatar and signature are awesome. Tombstone is a good movie

[scottj]

With illitch trying to buy the pistons is anyone else as nervous as I am about ice quality? With Pistons one day and wings the next or worse yet one in afternoon the other that night we could end up with crappy ice like a lot of the NHL teams!

yeah, that's my only concern with them sharing an arena... otherwise, as long as there's "no bad seat in the house" then I'm fine with it.