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Was it a good decision to sign Zetterberg

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One thing to keep in mind is the progression of the salary cap. $6m of cap space now is worth a lot more than $6m of cap space later. Just as an example, the salary cap in 2005 was $39m. Now, 5 years later, it's $59m. If that rate of progression continues, the salary cap will be $100m 10 years from now. Even if it only continues to progress at half rate, it'll be 79-80m dollars. A 6m cap hit for a 39 year old in that range is equivalent to, say, the 3m we're playing Flip now. If you think Zetterberg can play at Flip's current level in the last, say, 2 years of his contract, at roughly the same (or slightly greater) the equivalent salary, do you think it's worth it for us getting a $1-1.5m discount for the other 8 years of his contract? I certainly think so.

Franzen's contract progresses even better, if the cap were, say, 85m 10 years from now, he'd only be getting paid about equal to the money Draper is now. Considering that Franzen is a better player than Draper ever was, and that Franzen could probably put up 3rd line play at 39, do you think paying Draper-equivalent money at that stage in his career is worth it for the huge discount we're getting for a 35g/clutch playoff guy?

Great explanation... The only way these guys are overpaid is if they are playing like Draper the last couple years; and if that is the case, I wouldn't be surprised to see them retire (and the whole cap hit comes off the books) if their games fell so much.. The beauty of these front-loaded contracts is they are great for the players as well -- they've already made 90% of their money by that point, and will not need to still lace them up for a paycheck at that point, if their game has really fallen.

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The only way that this could bite us in the butt is if:

Zata got an injury which did not keep him off of the ice, but drastically reduced his level of ability,

AND if

Zata refused to see that his inability to play should be a broad hint to retire,

AND if

the organization did not send him down to GR to get him off of the team to make room for someone who could play (I'm assuming that if he's that broken waivers and trades would not factor in).

If all three of the above happened, it would be bad. The odds of this happening are slim to none. If Zata didn't realize his need to retire, someone would spell it out for him. If he was stubborn, loyalty or no, the organization would send him down if they really had to.

Add to that what Datsyerberger said, and my answer is "no". It was a good signing. Datsyerberger rules.

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Yes. He along with Datsyuk and a couple other players are the cornerstones of the future of the franchise, once Ozzie, Drapes, Maltby, Homer and Nick finally retire. We have a lot of really great young guys that I think are going to be around for a while, and Hank and Pavs are going to be the Steve/Nick tandem to guide those players, like Steve & Nick did for the both of them.

So it was absolutely a great idea to sign him as long as we did. He'll retire as a Wing and maybe will end up one of the all-time greats, with #40 in the rafters. Who knows. I'm glad he's here and not doing what he does for someone else.

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The contracts definately don't come without risks, they are somewhat injury prone. However, I suspect they may retire before the contracts look to bad. Some may feel the cap will continue to rise, but that is a risky way of thinking as well.

In the end, probably good risks to take.

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What did you speak for the extra 4 years?

just not great for the first 4 years

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sorry its small.

"Frenchy say what?"

iam not french I was born in saskatchewan spoke some english but mainly french as my aunt thought it would be good if I would learn some french at a young age. I still spoke english my family can barely speak barely speak any french

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iam a huge redwings fan

I realize your first language is French and connotations are the hardest part of translating languages. But what I said didn't imply that you're not a fan. It just meant that fans of other teams would not like the signing because it was a good signing for us. I was actually implying the people telling you that were not Wings fans, not that you weren't.

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Did you guys see we signed a 40 year old defenseman to a $6 mil contract? WTF? WE ARE DOOMED!!!!

To be honest, that's a terrible comparison. Lidstrom has missed 29 games in his entire 18 year career, to this point. Zetterberg, on average, misses 10 games a year and that type of track record tends to get worse with age. I'm skeptical that he'll be able to keep it up until he's 40, but if injuries or ability force him out early, the cap hit goes away.

The risk is that if he declines, but continues to play, at a cap hit of $6 million (which will still be significant in future years). I think that risk is fairly low, but there is certainly still a risk.

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To be honest, that's a terrible comparison. Lidstrom has missed 29 games in his entire 18 year career, to this point. Zetterberg, on average, misses 10 games a year and that type of track record tends to get worse with age. I'm skeptical that he'll be able to keep it up until he's 40, but if injuries or ability force him out early, the cap hit goes away.

The risk is that if he declines, but continues to play, at a cap hit of $6 million (which will still be significant in future years). I think that risk is fairly low, but there is certainly still a risk.

To be honest, that's a terrible comparison. You're comparing a 6 million dollar cap hit today to a 6 million dollar cap hit a decade from now...

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