Lidstrom's Chances at Another Norris

[eva unit zero 271]

Ok just to clarify. Keith is a good d-man and had a good year but I hope that you aren't comparing him to Lids.

Lids is by everybody's account one of the top 5 D men to EVER play the game.

Secondly, they aren't copying anything from the Wings. They were handed top draft picks in Toews, Kane and Keith. And then through increadily poor management had to disassemble their team 2 months after winning their first Cup in 49 years. Bad contracts not ONE but THREE in Campbell, Huet and the increadible vanishing playoff goal scorer Marion Hossa.

And now we find out that they LOST money again last year because their season ticket prices were the 3rd lowest in the league. So they are going to raise them 20%.

Sorry but this train wreck of an organization has nothing in common with the Wings.

The Hawks had two incredibly poor contracts in Huet and Campbell, and one bad decision in comitting to one good contract in Hossa when they were coming up on high hit deals for their best young players, who were playing at the time on low-cap-hit entry-level deals and would have caused a severe increase in the cap hit of the team, which already had several $3m deals like Byfuglien and co.

[ricky0034 89]

Ok just to clarify. Keith is a good d-man and had a good year but I hope that you aren't comparing him to Lids.

Lids is by everybody's account one of the top 5 D men to EVER play the game.

Secondly, they aren't copying anything from the Wings. They were handed top draft picks in Toews, Kane and Keith. And then through increadily poor management had to disassemble their team 2 months after winning their first Cup in 49 years. Bad contracts not ONE but THREE in Campbell, Huet and the increadible vanishing playoff goal scorer Marion Hossa.

And now we find out that they LOST money again last year because their season ticket prices were the 3rd lowest in the league. So they are going to raise them 20%.

Sorry but this train wreck of an organization has nothing in common with the Wings.

agreed with most of what you said but just to clarify duncan keith was actually drafted 54th overall

[eva unit zero 271]

Ok just to clarify. Keith is a good d-man and had a good year but I hope that you aren't comparing him to Lids.

Lids is by everybody's account one of the top 5 D men to EVER play the game.

Secondly, they aren't copying anything from the Wings. They were handed top draft picks in Toews, Kane and Keith. And then through increadily poor management had to disassemble their team 2 months after winning their first Cup in 49 years. Bad contracts not ONE but THREE in Campbell, Huet and the increadible vanishing playoff goal scorer Marion Hossa.

And now we find out that they LOST money again last year because their season ticket prices were the 3rd lowest in the league. So they are going to raise them 20%.

Sorry but this train wreck of an organization has nothing in common with the Wings.

The Hawks had two incredibly poor contracts in Huet and Campbell, and one bad decision in comitting to one good contract in Hossa when they were coming up on high hit deals for their best young players, who were playing at the time on low-cap-hit entry-level deals and would have caused a severe increase in the cap hit of the team, which already had several $3m deals like Byfuglien and co.

[Krayzie_Bone 58]

None. Even if he has an awesome year I think the media has made up their minds that Doughty and Keith are the "best" now. They will probably be nominated for the next 5 years at lease.

[soultrain 43]

I suggest you start drinking Scotch with water instead of mixing it with Vodka.

Edited August 15, 2010 by soultrain

[Tommy_Like_Wingy 25]

That statement, no matter how many people make it, makes me flinch. Duncan Keith was the best defenseman in the league last season. It was was a clear, complete statement that he was so. Doughty was very good, but Keith was just better. The year before, Keith was an elite defenseman, and IMO was the second best defenseman (which I took a lot of flak for on this board) so o say that Doughty is easily the frontrunner going into this next season? Just no. Duncan Keith is the clear, undisputed frontrunner, and behind him are Drew Doughty and Nicklas Lidstrom, and then and a good stretch back behind them are Chris Pronger and the other top defensemen. Period.

I don't doubt that Keith is a much better d-man than Doughty. I just think that since the Hawks have stepped back this offseason and after the surge LA had last season, I think Doughty will have a better shot at putting together a more impressive year than Keith. Maybe it was a little presumptuous to say it's Doughty's to win but I just see him having a better year than Keith, and seeing as how the Norris is given on a year to year basis I don't think it's unreasonable to say Doughty will be the better defenseman this year.

Keith > Doughty in overall skill/smarts and production but that doesn't mean Doughty won't win it this year.

Ok just to clarify. Keith is a good d-man and had a good year but I hope that you aren't comparing him to Lids.

Lids is by everybody's account one of the top 5 D men to EVER play the game.

Secondly, they aren't copying anything from the Wings. They were handed top draft picks in Toews, Kane and Keith. And then through increadily poor management had to disassemble their team 2 months after winning their first Cup in 49 years. Bad contracts not ONE but THREE in Campbell, Huet and the increadible vanishing playoff goal scorer Marion Hossa.

And now we find out that they LOST money again last year because their season ticket prices were the 3rd lowest in the league. So they are going to raise them 20%.

Sorry but this train wreck of an organization has nothing in common with the Wings.

lol I don't think you understand how businesses work...

[jollymania 162]

unfortunately the voters are sick of him it seems, if they are willing to vote for mike green you know the norris is't what it used to be

[pucktividi 472]

if the Wings can repeat PP and PK from the 07-08 season, Nick is a safe bet for another Norris

[thedisappearer 291]

lol I don't think you understand how businesses work...

He stated 3 facts.

1. They lost money last year.
   
2. Their tix prices are 3rd lowest in the league
   
3. They raised tix prices 20%
   

Where is the evidence he doesn't know how businesses work?

[toby91_ca 620]

He can definitely win another. That man plays with such grace and skill it's not even fair. Unfortunately, I just don't think the League will let him. They picked the top scoring defensemen this year as nominees didn't they? And here I was thinking it was best defenseman. Besides they probably want Orr to hold the record and not let a Swede take it. IDK, whatever.

The League has nothing to do with it.

That statement, no matter how many people make it, makes me flinch. Duncan Keith was the best defenseman in the league last season. It was was a clear, complete statement that he was so. Doughty was very good, but Keith was just better. The year before, Keith was an elite defenseman, and IMO was the second best defenseman (which I took a lot of flak for on this board) so o say that Doughty is easily the frontrunner going into this next season? Just no. Duncan Keith is the clear, undisputed frontrunner, and behind him are Drew Doughty and Nicklas Lidstrom, and then and a good stretch back behind them are Chris Pronger and the other top defensemen. Period.

If Lidstrom wasn't in the top 3 in voting last year, why is he in the front 3 going into this season, with the next guys a good stretch behind?

[Barrie 900]

I think Lidstrom is done winning the Norris, but I'll be cheering him on!

[eva unit zero 271]

The League has nothing to do with it.

If Lidstrom wasn't in the top 3 in voting last year, why is he in the front 3 going into this season, with the next guys a good stretch behind?

Because the voters vote based on a personal bias which, despite rules against it, push the voter towards players from a team or nation they prefer. Also, a writer might tend to vote against or for a player of a certain "style" such as a defenseman who was known for is physical play or a center who was considered a diver.

In the early 90s, being a European alone might cost you an award. Dominik Hasek could be considered the trailblazer in that respect; he proved that a European could win an Award again and again. and then Nick did it right again right after him.

The League has nothing to do with it.

If Lidstrom wasn't in the top 3 in voting last year, why is he in the front 3 going into this season, with the next guys a good stretch behind?

Because the voters vote based on a personal bias which, despite rules against it, push the voter towards players from a team or nation they prefer. Also, a writer might tend to vote against or for a player of a certain "style" such as a defenseman who was known for is physical play or a center who was considered a diver.

In the early 90s, being a European alone might cost you an award. Dominik Hasek could be considered the trailblazer in that respect; he proved that a European could win an Award again and again. and then Nick did it right again right after him.

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

Real men prefer their scotch whisky "neat".

Many argue that adding a little bit of clean water opens up the aroma of the scotch.

Now, adding ice to a single malt, that's just plain wrong.

As for Nick, honestly I think his chances are slim, not that I don't think he's capable of Norris level of play. But he'd have to be head and shoulders ahead of the pack, because there seems to be Lidstrom-Norris fatigue among voters. I mean, these are the same knuckleheads who think Green is Norris worthy.

It'd be awesome if it happened, but I don't hold out hope.

Nick probably should have his seventh already (I'm looking at you Rob Blake). If he were born in Canada, there's a decent chance he'd have more than seven.

[toby91_ca 620]

Because the voters vote based on a personal bias which, despite rules against it, push the voter towards players from a team or nation they prefer. Also, a writer might tend to vote against or for a player of a certain "style" such as a defenseman who was known for is physical play or a center who was considered a diver.

In the early 90s, being a European alone might cost you an award. Dominik Hasek could be considered the trailblazer in that respect; he proved that a European could win an Award again and again. and then Nick did it right again right after him.

Because the voters vote based on a personal bias which, despite rules against it, push the voter towards players from a team or nation they prefer. Also, a writer might tend to vote against or for a player of a certain "style" such as a defenseman who was known for is physical play or a center who was considered a diver.

In the early 90s, being a European alone might cost you an award. Dominik Hasek could be considered the trailblazer in that respect; he proved that a European could win an Award again and again. and then Nick did it right again right after him.

I understand that, but if he wasn't in their top 3 for the most recent vote, not sure how he a front runner going into the season.

[Guest ChicagoMan]

To the guy who is making a fuss about Chicago losing money you really don't understand business. The Hawks have been paying off loans and the debt from the past 10 season. They are not a trainwreck of an org. Have you taken a look at your own arena and the empty seats? The NHL in general loses money because of the s***ty TV deal and the weak teams like PHX and Florida. And Yes Chicago can be compared to Detroit. You shouldn't freak out at that, but take it as a compliment. They were handed draft picks, but you still have to make the right picks... They could have easily taken Kessel over a world class player in Toews or Turris over Kane. Jealousy is a bitter pill to swallow, but the Hawks are going to be good for a long time. No doubt Lids is a top D -man of all time, but give Keith and the Hawks org. some respect even if you don't like the team.

[Guest scottj]

chicago being compared to detroit a compliment?... if you're from chicago

I wouldn't worry about jealousy from red wings fans... the hawks won one cup. the sunshine hits a dog's ******* every once in a while too... usually it's more often than 49 years

Edited August 16, 2010 by scottj

[eva unit zero 271]

To the guy who is making a fuss about Chicago losing money you really don't understand business. The Hawks have been paying off loans and the debt from the past 10 season. They are not a trainwreck of an org. Have you taken a look at your own arena and the empty seats? The NHL in general loses money because of the s***ty TV deal and the weak teams like PHX and Florida. And Yes Chicago can be compared to Detroit. You shouldn't freak out at that, but take it as a compliment. They were handed draft picks, but you still have to make the right picks... They could have easily taken Kessel over a world class player in Toews or Turris over Kane. Jealousy is a bitter pill to swallow, but the Hawks are going to be good for a long time. No doubt Lids is a top D -man of all time, but give Keith and the Hawks org. some respect even if you don't like the team.

Why don't you go back and re-read my post. I said KEITH was the front-runner, instead of Doughty.

[Hey man nice shot! 144]

http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=535855 well watch this....kane says so:D watch the nhl 11 vid. Edited August 16, 2010 by Hey man nice shot!

[blgillett 48]

Norris Nick always has a shot. He has always been under estimated his whole life. How many times did he take 2nd in the voting when he deserved to win it.

[yzerman3cups 0]

For him to have a chance to win it he has to have a good start to the season. Been a while since that's happened. His second half of the seasons though have been great. The media buzz isn't around him anymore though so he would have to go above and beyond throughout the season to win it.

[Z Winged Dangler 2,082]

Its definitely still possible. Last year he had a slow start offensively, but by the end of the season he was worthy of Norris candidacy imo.

he should have been nominated instead of mike green the defensive liability. if anyone disagrees with this, look up the definition of the norris trophy. mike green does not fit the description.

For him to have a chance to win it he has to have a good start to the season. Been a while since that's happened. His second half of the seasons though have been great. The media buzz isn't around him anymore though so he would have to go above and beyond throughout the season to win it.

the wings PP with all the injuries last year sucked balls. lids will get 15 goals and 65 points this coming season with all the help he'll have this year....barring injuries.

[Z Winged Dangler 2,082]

To the guy who is making a fuss about Chicago losing money you really don't understand business. The Hawks have been paying off loans and the debt from the past 10 season. They are not a trainwreck of an org. Have you taken a look at your own arena and the empty seats? The NHL in general loses money because of the s***ty TV deal and the weak teams like PHX and Florida. And Yes Chicago can be compared to Detroit. You shouldn't freak out at that, but take it as a compliment. They were handed draft picks, but you still have to make the right picks... They could have easily taken Kessel over a world class player in Toews or Turris over Kane. Jealousy is a bitter pill to swallow, but the Hawks are going to be good for a long time. No doubt Lids is a top D -man of all time, but give Keith and the Hawks org. some respect even if you don't like the team.

lids should always be a top candidate for the norris. last year with the wings hurt all year, most man games lost, lids was over-pressured from playing with different linemates on a nightly basis and a horribly depleted forward unit.

keith played with seabrook ALL year who is one of the best dmen in the league in my opinion. on top of that, 3 scoring lines and one hell of a 4th grind line infront of them. keith should have been nominated for the norris and won it, but if you switch him and lids situations, lids wins the norris by a landslide vote.

my 2 favorite teams are the wings (by a longshot) and the hawks in a distant 2nd. so i am with you on multiple points, but with all the depth and firepower that the hawks lost this offseason they are gonna come into the playoffs most likely between 4-6 in the west this year. if the hawks have any significant injuries, they're gonna have a pretty hard time. and without buff there taking charge of s***, who's gonna do that job in his absense?

[NGKEIB 32]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that people are really failing to understand the voting policy. My understanding was that the 'candidates' announced at the end of each season are the three players who got the most votes.

[Hockeytown0001 7,652]

To the guy who is making a fuss about Chicago losing money you really don't understand business. The Hawks have been paying off loans and the debt from the past 10 season. They are not a trainwreck of an org. Have you taken a look at your own arena and the empty seats? The NHL in general loses money because of the s***ty TV deal and the weak teams like PHX and Florida. And Yes Chicago can be compared to Detroit. You shouldn't freak out at that, but take it as a compliment. They were handed draft picks, but you still have to make the right picks... They could have easily taken Kessel over a world class player in Toews or Turris over Kane. Jealousy is a bitter pill to swallow, but the Hawks are going to be good for a long time. No doubt Lids is a top D -man of all time, but give Keith and the Hawks org. some respect even if you don't like the team.

Seriously? This garbage again? For the umpteenth time - 99% of empty seats at the Joe are used by corporate black ties who don't show up for the game, not fans. Not to mention most of those seats are always filled by the middle of the game. The Joe is known for late arriving crowds.

As for Lidstrom and another Norris, I doubt it happens.

Edited August 16, 2010 by Hockeytown0001

[eva unit zero 271]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that people are really failing to understand the voting policy. My understanding was that the 'candidates' announced at the end of each season are the three players who got the most votes.

That is correct, but it still matters who the "candidates" are. Last year Keith and Doughty were candidates because they are great defensemen, not because they play with Seabrook and Johnson.