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#41 Doc Holliday

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Posted 19 August 2010 - 02:24 PM

So you honestly think that Pisani at 500k is no better then an AHL plug at 500k? The whole possibility of him reverting into a good player alone makes this a good signing, as the Hawks are virtually out nothing, and potentially getting a player worth far more then 500k. I know you can't really say if a signing was good or bad until the contract is up in hindsight, but us as fans should be allowed to note that a move could be potentially good, even if it was done by ....*gasp*... the Hawks. This signing reminds me a lot of the Dan Cleary and Patrick Eaves signings, and fans should not be vindicated for seeing what the Hawks were hoping in it.


I still don't see how this contract is any better than either of the Miller/Eaves contracts.

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Posted 19 August 2010 - 02:58 PM

I still don't see how this contract is any better than either of the Miller/Eaves contracts.

I don't see a signficant difference between these players and Pisani's contract is cheaper.

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Posted 19 August 2010 - 03:07 PM

I don't see a signficant difference between these players and Pisani's contract is cheaper.


Pisani is an injury prone PK specialist/former playoff performer and has been getting worse since 2007.

Eaves and Miller are healthy regular season 4th line players with more offensive upside and if I'm not mistaken either can play the PK.

I don't like that both were signed but if I had to choose either of those two or Pisani I would choose the former.

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Posted 19 August 2010 - 03:13 PM

Yeah, he's got terrible injury and illness issues, but at 500K you can't beat the price.

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Posted 19 August 2010 - 03:38 PM

I hate it when people talk about a signing by pointing out how a player played 4 or 5 seasons ago. Seriously? He may very well be good, I don't know. But when I hear "if so and so plays the way they did back in '06 or '07 (or even '03 I've heard), it's a good signing" that indicates that player has done nothing since then.

If Gordie Howe played like he did back in 1955, he would be a great signing at league minimum! An absolute steal!

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Posted 19 August 2010 - 03:56 PM

So you honestly think that Pisani at 500k is no better then an AHL plug at 500k? The whole possibility of him reverting into a good player alone makes this a good signing, as the Hawks are virtually out nothing, and potentially getting a player worth far more then 500k. I know you can't really say if a signing was good or bad until the contract is up in hindsight, but us as fans should be allowed to note that a move could be potentially good, even if it was done by ....*gasp*... the Hawks. This signing reminds me a lot of the Dan Cleary and Patrick Eaves signings, and fans should not be vindicated for seeing what the Hawks were hoping in it.


This is absolutely nothing like the Cleary / Eaves deal. Not even in the slightest. I question your hockey intelligence when you say off the wall stupid stuff like this.

Cleary was 26 / 27 years old when Holland signed him; Pisani is 33 going on 34. Cleary played more games in one season than Pisani has played in the past two.

Eaves was 26 when Holland signed him; Pisani is 33 going on 34. Eaves played more games in one season than Pisani has played in the past two.

Imagine if Holland didn't re-sign Miller and Eaves, and instead used the funds to sign CheeChoo for $1 mil to round out the 4th line. LGW would have an epic meltdown, and rightfully so. But you would probably be here defending the signing because CheeChoo was awesome 4 years ago, while disregarding that his body and health is completely gone.

Your posts make no sense.

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Posted 19 August 2010 - 04:29 PM

Wow. I can't believe some of the mentality here.

Eaves scored 22 points in 65 games last season and was one of Wings best PKers. Miller scored 19 points in 66 games with the Wings and was one of the best PKers. Pisani's big accomplishment was he was healthy enough to plays 40 games last season and was minus 16.

You're insane if you truly believe what you wrote.


Ditto, and neither Eaves nor Miller make 850K

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Posted 19 August 2010 - 08:09 PM

Wow. I can't believe some of the mentality here.

Eaves scored 22 points in 65 games last season and was one of Wings best PKers. Miller scored 19 points in 66 games with the Wings and was one of the best PKers. Pisani's big accomplishment was he was healthy enough to plays 40 games last season and was minus 16.

You're insane if you truly believe what you wrote.


I love how you conveinatly leave out Miller's 14 game stint with Tampa in which he recorded NO points and was a -3. Makes you wonder how much playing on a good team with a better record influences/motivates a player, huh? In addition, despite all of Pisani's injuries and inferior linemates his stats prorated would be mearly 3 points less of Miller's total production. When you factor in ice time and linemates, Pisani would almost have certainly surpassed Miller's production.

Couple that with the fact that Pisani's goals agaisnt average per 60 min of pk time was FAR BELOW that of both Miller's and Eave's, despite being on a DRASTICALLY worse team, and it becomes harder and harder to argue that Miller outplayed him enough to warrent that much more money last year.

You are looking at simply the stat line, instead of situational statistics such as quality of oppositsiton faced (hint... Pisani was the highest on the Oilers), and quality of linemates + Ice time. I suggest you dig deeper into the stats before you throw out ones that our clearly unfair to compare.

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Posted 19 August 2010 - 08:21 PM

This is absolutely nothing like the Cleary / Eaves deal. Not even in the slightest. I question your hockey intelligence when you say off the wall stupid stuff like this.

Cleary was 26 / 27 years old when Holland signed him; Pisani is 33 going on 34. Cleary played more games in one season than Pisani has played in the past two.

Eaves was 26 when Holland signed him; Pisani is 33 going on 34. Eaves played more games in one season than Pisani has played in the past two.

Imagine if Holland didn't re-sign Miller and Eaves, and instead used the funds to sign CheeChoo for $1 mil to round out the 4th line. LGW would have an epic meltdown, and rightfully so. But you would probably be here defending the signing because CheeChoo was awesome 4 years ago, while disregarding that his body and health is completely gone.

Your posts make no sense.

Considering both Eaves and Cleary were signed off what many considered "bad years" I feel it is a fair comparison for a risk vs reward type signing. Yes Pisani is older, but 34 is hardly considered washed up in the leauge anymore, and while he has had problems with injuries, it is not inconciviable for him to regain some of his old form. Seeing as Pisani WAS Edm's best Pker last year, and has shown comprabable offensive upside as Cleary was showing before he became a Wing (by 26 you generally have a good idea of how good a player will get, obviously not at it's peak, but a good idea), I really fail to see how this can't be used as a decent comparison. All 3 players were down on their luck for a few years after showing obvious potential, and then were signed to cheap, minimal contracts for a risk vs reward type deal. Seeing as how despite playing well below 100% with inferior linemates and Icetime, Pisani's ppg ratio was less then 3 points off of Miller's for the entire season (19 vs 16), I really don't see how you can make a claim that Miller was so good to warrant getting paid that much more then Pisani. If Pisani was given Miller's minutes and linemates, he would most probably have outscored him, and the gap between goals allowed per 60 minutes of penatly kill time would have most probably widened more in Pisani's favor.

No one is expecting Pisani to be a superstar, or even hit 15 goals, but for a 500k signing, he sure as hell beats some AHL scrub.

Also, please leave your ridiculous name calling out of this, and stop putting words in my mouth. To act as if I would want Chechoo here instead of Eaves and Miller is ridiulous,as is comparing wanting Pisani on the 4th line to wanting Cheechoo on the 4th line.
For one Cheechoo never was a good penatly killer and suited for a bottom 6 role(which despite what his numbers show, is still a strong point for Pisani), as well as the fact that he would most probably demand far more money, and has dropped far higher from his peak then Pisani had.

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Posted 19 August 2010 - 10:43 PM

I love how you conveinatly leave out Miller's 14 game stint with Tampa in which he recorded NO points and was a -3. Makes you wonder how much playing on a good team with a better record influences/motivates a player, huh? In addition, despite all of Pisani's injuries and inferior linemates his stats prorated would be mearly 3 points less of Miller's total production. When you factor in ice time and linemates, Pisani would almost have certainly surpassed Miller's production.

Couple that with the fact that Pisani's goals agaisnt average per 60 min of pk time was FAR BELOW that of both Miller's and Eave's, despite being on a DRASTICALLY worse team, and it becomes harder and harder to argue that Miller outplayed him enough to warrent that much more money last year.

You are looking at simply the stat line, instead of situational statistics such as quality of oppositsiton faced (hint... Pisani was the highest on the Oilers), and quality of linemates + Ice time. I suggest you dig deeper into the stats before you throw out ones that our clearly unfair to compare.

Pisani averaged more ice time than both Miller and Eaves. And while Edmonton was certainly terrible, neither Eaves nor Miller were playing with particularly great linemates all the time. May, Maltby, Draper, Helm, Abby, Williams, Leino...not that much different from Horcoff, O'Sullivan, Moreau, Gagner, etc. Miller may have played a bit with the likes of Flip and Cleary, but you're acting like he spent the year on the top line with Pav and Hank or something.

And I'm not sure what kind of math you're doing, but Pisani was on the ice for 10 PPGA in 91:42 (~6.5/60 min). Eaves was 13 in 147:54 (5.3), Miller was 7 in 120:31 (3.6).

Pisani is 33, hasn't played more than 56 games in the past three seasons. He had one decent season and a great playoff, and has been going downhill ever since.

Miller is 26, coming off his first full season in the NHL, and makes only $150k more.

Eaves is also 26, just had somewhat of a bounce-back season after two down years, and makes only $250k more.

Not saying Pisani is terrible, or that it isn't a good signing. He's fine for a 4th line role. But I'd much rather have the younger guys without potentially problematic diseases, even if they do make a little more money.





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