38 replies to this topic

[toby91_ca]

The nominating system is skewed. Hank should probably have 1 nomination for the Hart trophy to his credit. Most VALUABLE player. I am going to lean towards without Hank, things wouldn't go so well.

Not sure how a system could be skewed when it doesn't even exit. NO ONE is nominated, voters can vote for any player they wish.

[RedWings Gone Wild]

What? No Ulf Samuelsson?

[HomeNugget]

Like your list - would probably have Salming 3rd.

This was my first impression.  Sundin and Salming had very similar careers.  No Stanley Cups or major awards, and both spent most of their careers toiling away on some pretty mediocre Leafs teams. However, both players were considered top players in the league at their respective positions.  Anyways, my list looks like this:

Lidstrom
Forsberg
Salming
Sundin
Naslund
Alfredsson
Zetterberg
Henrik Sedin
Nilsson

I can't decide if I want Pelle Lindberg or Mats Naslund in the last spot.  I'll let it remain a tie.

[HomeNugget]

Probably because they don't deserve to be on this list.  If I can think of a better reason, I'll let you know.  The other players I mentioned are more deserving.  

Oh and mindfly, I love the Bob Nystrom reference, but I don't think he's one of the 10 best Swedes in NHL history.  In terms of my favorite Swedes he'd be near the top, though.  He was a true hockey player who always played well in the playoffs and scored lots of big goals for the Isles.  A team first guy and one of the 10 best fighters in league history, period.  Never saw him take a bad loss.  Stats wise, though, he doesn't get on this list.

I disagree.  When you disregard play outside the NHL, Henrik Sedin is a more accomplished player than either Hakan Loob or Mats Naslund.

[cjm502]

Thomas Steen anyone?

[HomeNugget]

Thomas Steen anyone?

Steen was an above average player for a long time, but I wouldn't consider him to be in the top ten of anything except a best Jets players list.

[cjm502]

Steen was an above average player for a long time, but I wouldn't consider him to be in the top ten of anything except a best Jets players list.

817 points in 950 games is not to shabby. He could easily take the 9 or 10 spot on anyone's list.

[NGKEIB]

817 points in 950 games is not to shabby. He could easily take the 9 or 10 spot on anyone's list.

You need to take the 80s factor into account when using those point totals... In any case Sandström has more goals (including two forty-goal seasons) and an .87 ppg average, compared to Steens .86 average. Also, Sandström was a key factor in our 1997 win

I'm not necessarily arguing for his inclusion, merely saying that there are more worthy people than Steen.

I don't see who he could replace even if you did want to go with him...

[GMRwings1983]

I disagree. When you disregard play outside the NHL, Henrik Sedin is a more accomplished player than either Hakan Loob or Mats Naslund.

Not statistically he isn't. Last year was a great stats season for him, but he isn't even close to being a PPG career player. Also, he's kind of a lackluster playoff performer.

Other than last season, I see those players as being more dominant offensively than him. He's a better defensive forward than people give him credit for, but that's because he plays center and not wing, and that's more of a product of this era.

[HomeNugget]

Not statistically he isn't.  Last year was a great stats season for him, but he isn't even close to being a PPG career player.  Also, he's kind of a lackluster playoff performer.  

Other than last season, I see those players as being more dominant offensively than him.  He's a better defensive forward than people give him credit for, but that's because he plays center and not wing, and that's more of a product of this era.

Statistics are meaningless out of context.  You can't just look at point totals and draw conclusions based on that.  An Art Ross, Hart, and 1st AST trumps everything Hakan Loob and Mats Naslund did combined.

[GMRwings1983]

Statistics are meaningless out of context. You can't just look at point totals and draw conclusions based on that. An Art Ross, Hart, and 1st AST trumps everything Hakan Loob and Mats Naslund did combined.

I'm sure there's a reason why Mats Naslund and Hakan Loob never won the Hart Trophy or the Art Ross.

That reason played in Edmonton in the 80's, and I hear that he was quite good.

[eva unit zero]

I'm sure there's a reason why Mats Naslund and Hakan Loob never won the Hart Trophy or the Art Ross.

That reason played in Edmonton in the 80's, and I hear that he was quite good.

What does Grant Fuhr have to do with this?

[GMRwings1983]

What does Grant Fuhr have to do with this?

First time I've ever seen you make a joke.

[titanium2]

On Red Wings TV they have a video of Nick firmly stating that he believes Z will have a really good year or something to that effect. It's great to hear for sure. Can't wait to see him actually prove it on the ice.

[Z and D for the C]

First time I've ever seen you make a joke.

No way, he talks about Hudler all the time.

[titanium2]

No way, he talks about Hudler all the time.

EDIT: Woops, hang on...

Here we go. Filppula!

Edited by titanium2, 05 September 2010 - 01:17 PM.

[mindfly]

Ken Daniels is the s***

[55fan]

Ken Daniels is the s***

He's Swedish?

[mindfly]

He's Swedish?

Nah from the filppula highlight he's a great announcer for the red wings imo.

Edited by mindfly, 06 September 2010 - 06:06 AM.