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#21 GMRwings1983

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Posted 20 August 2010 - 06:55 PM

They sign enforces but not gritty forwards that can play and score goals.


That makes no sense. It should be the other way around.

I'm actually starting to believe that Asham must have turned the Wings down, because Holland wouldn't actually be so stupid as to sign only enforcers, but not guys who can do more than just fight.
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Posted 20 August 2010 - 06:56 PM

That makes no sense. It should be the other way around.

I'm actually starting to believe that Asham must have turned the Wings down, because Holland wouldn't actually be so stupid as to sign only enforcers, but not guys who can do more than just fight.

You just misunderstood me from the start i'm merely stating the obvious here.

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Posted 20 August 2010 - 06:58 PM

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Posted 20 August 2010 - 07:01 PM

Enforcer/grit guy thread...engaged.
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Posted 20 August 2010 - 07:04 PM

I don't see Talbot being a 13th/14th forward...
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Posted 20 August 2010 - 07:11 PM

That makes no sense. It should be the other way around.

I'm actually starting to believe that Asham must have turned the Wings down, because Holland wouldn't actually be so stupid as to sign only enforcers, but not guys who can do more than just fight.

I think it's more a case of us having enough (too many even) 4th liners already. We DO prioritize skill over everything else, but we also usually keep a spot reserved for a tough guy. This year, all those spots were filled already.

Nothing to get upset about. We have a solid 4th line, maybe one of the best in the league. Asham wouldn't have made us any better.

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Posted 20 August 2010 - 07:27 PM

But he gives us an added dimension that those guys don't.

And despite what other posters may say, it does help to have a guy on the 4th line that can drop the gloves.


I am totally with you, Holland and the Wings are desperate for 4th liner players; they don't have enough and need to sign about 30 more. :ph34r:

Babcock could have a killer 4th line of Asham-Helm-Abdelkader-Draper-Miller-Ritola-Eaves! Holland screwed up, he could have the biggest and baddest 4th line in the league. Problem is though, would the refs let the Wings ice 9 players on the same line? That could be tricky, but I'm sure it can be done.

Or maybe Wings should, instead of icing 2nd line talent on the 3rd line, waive Hudler, Cleary and Modano so Babcock can ice two 4th lines.

GMRwings projected linup:

Zetter-Dats-Holmer
Bert-Filppula-Frazen
Helm-Abdelkader-Miller
Eaves-Draper-Asham

In favor of:

Zetter-Dats-Holmer
Bert-Fil-Franzen
Hudler-Modano-Cleary
Eaves-Abdelkader-Helm

Brilliant!

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Posted 20 August 2010 - 07:41 PM

That's a bad post.

You need a complete team to win the Stanley Cup.

We wouldn't have won any Stanley Cups if it wasn't for a solid 4th line play in the playoffs. Just because they're not stars doesn't mean they're no important to the overall success.


So solid 4th line = fighting?

You're mixing concepts in a major way. We have a very solid 4th line. Eaves Abds Helm. Probably one of the best 4th lines in the league. Twice as good as Pittsburgh's 4th line.

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Posted 20 August 2010 - 07:42 PM

I am totally with you, Holland and the Wings are desperate for 4th liner players; they don't have enough and need to sign about 30 more. :ph34r:

Babcock could have a killer 4th line of Asham-Helm-Abdelkader-Draper-Miller-Ritola-Eaves! Holland screwed up, he could have the biggest and baddest 4th line in the league. Problem is though, would the refs let the Wings ice 9 players on the same line? That could be tricky, but I'm sure it can be done.

Or maybe Wings should, instead of icing 2nd line talent on the 3rd line, waive Hudler, Cleary and Modano so Babcock can ice two 4th lines.

GMRwings projected linup:

Zetter-Dats-Holmer
Bert-Filppula-Frazen
Helm-Abdelkader-Miller
Eaves-Draper-Asham

In favor of:

Zetter-Dats-Holmer
Bert-Fil-Franzen
Hudler-Modano-Cleary
Eaves-Abdelkader-Helm

Brilliant!



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Posted 20 August 2010 - 07:43 PM

That sucks.

We could have had him for the same cash, and he'd give us a gritty forward that can score some goals. Would be a terrific addition to our team. Instead that money went elsewhere.

This is worse than last year, when we found out that Jason Williams' money could have gone to Prospal or Grier.

To be fair, Prospal was never a possiblity for the Wings, regardless of his pricetag. Him and Babcock do not get along, and neither wants to be on the same team as the other.

With that being said, Ray Sherro has had a pretty good offseason for the Pens in my book. Their defense is a lot stronger (albeit maybe less offensivily potent), and they've added some decent grit.
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Posted 20 August 2010 - 07:45 PM

I am totally with you, Holland and the Wings are desperate for 4th liner players; they don't have enough and need to sign about 30 more. :ph34r:

Babcock could have a killer 4th line of Asham-Helm-Abdelkader-Draper-Miller-Ritola-Eaves! Holland screwed up, he could have the biggest and baddest 4th line in the league. Problem is though, would the refs let the Wings ice 9 players on the same line? That could be tricky, but I'm sure it can be done.

Or maybe Wings should, instead of icing 2nd line talent on the 3rd line, waive Hudler, Cleary and Modano so Babcock can ice two 4th lines.

GMRwings projected linup:

Zetter-Dats-Holmer
Bert-Filppula-Frazen
Helm-Abdelkader-Miller
Eaves-Draper-Asham

In favor of:

Zetter-Dats-Holmer
Bert-Fil-Franzen
Hudler-Modano-Cleary
Eaves-Abdelkader-Helm

Brilliant!


Was this post made by you or a 4 year old?

I never said I wanted Draper even on the team. Same with a guy like Maltby who will probably get paid for playing in GR this season.

A third line of Hudler, Helm and Cleary would be arguably the best 3rd line in the league. Modano gives us more offense on the 3rd line, but we already had enough of that without him.

You can't just load a team with talent and scoring only. A guy like Asham for cheap is not a bad bargain. He's younger than Modano, so we could have him for more seasons possibly in the future.

Don't know why you made such a childish post to start your argument. My arguments were legit and mature on this. I wasn't kidding. Grow up next time before you misquote me about signing 30 tough players.

Edited by GMRwings1983, 20 August 2010 - 07:47 PM.

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Posted 20 August 2010 - 07:59 PM

That's the spirit! Fight! Fight! Fight!

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Posted 20 August 2010 - 08:02 PM

That's the spirit! Fight! Fight! Fight!

What most in here want to happen for 60 straight minutes of a hockey game. Wait...how could you even play with all that going on? meh I shall carry on.
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Posted 20 August 2010 - 08:06 PM

Was this post made by you or a 4 year old?

I never said I wanted Draper even on the team. Same with a guy like Maltby who will probably get paid for playing in GR this season.

A third line of Hudler, Helm and Cleary would be arguably the best 3rd line in the league. Modano gives us more offense on the 3rd line, but we already had enough of that without him.

You can't just load a team with talent and scoring only. A guy like Asham for cheap is not a bad bargain. He's younger than Modano, so we could have him for more seasons possibly in the future.

Don't know why you made such a childish post to start your argument. My arguments were legit and mature on this. I wasn't kidding. Grow up next time before you misquote me about signing 30 tough players.


So too much puck possession and offense is a bad thing? Instead, Wings should downgrade so they can hit, grind and fight more? More GMR brilliance!

"A guy like Asham for cheap is not a bad bargain" - I agree, he's a good bargain for a team that actually needs a 4th line player. Wings currently have SIX 4th liners under contract.

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Posted 20 August 2010 - 08:12 PM

So too much puck possession and offense is a bad thing? Instead, Wings should downgrade so they can hit, grind and fight more? More GMR brilliance!

"A guy like Asham for cheap is not a bad bargain" - I agree, he's a good bargain for a team that actually needs a 4th line player. Wings currently have SIX 4th liners under contract.


Our puck possession and offense was fine without Modano. Hudler would have helped that. Once again, you're another poster who doesn't understand the idea of having a complete hockey team. And Modano is an old guy who can only help us for one year. He won't play after this most likely.

And some of those 4th liners shouldn't have been kept for another season, which is where a guy like Asham comes in. I'm mad because we chose worse options over him and now it's obviously too late to have enough money to pursue him anymore.

I never said we should downgrade from last year so don't attribute things to me that I never said. That's a lousy way to argue and you won't win. Your idea of a brilliant argument seems to be to misquote the person you're arguing against. How is not adding Modano and dropping Maltby a downgrade?

What most in here want to happen for 60 straight minutes of a hockey game. Wait...how could you even play with all that going on? meh I shall carry on.


Is that what I said?

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Posted 20 August 2010 - 08:15 PM

Is that what I said?

Not really but maybe you just answered your own question assuming I was talking about you...
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Posted 20 August 2010 - 08:17 PM

Not really but maybe you just answered your own question assuming I was talking about you...


I guess I did. :hehe:

I just wanted to make sure that's not how it sounded. I never said we should have an enforcer on every line and constantly fight. That's not our game.

But a guy like Asham over some old man like Maltby who's being offered a similar contract is something I'm going to get a little pissed about. I haven't said anything in this thread other than my own opinion on the matter. If you guys don't care about this issue as much, then so be it. I just don't like any smart alecs coming in here and misquoting things I said to make themselves sound smarter than what they really are.

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Posted 20 August 2010 - 08:17 PM

Boof****** hoo we will have a nice 4th line and needed the vet blueliner

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Posted 20 August 2010 - 08:21 PM

Our puck possession and offense was fine without Modano. Hudler would have helped that. Once again, you're another poster who doesn't understand the idea of having a complete hockey team. And Modano is an old guy who can only help us for one year. He won't play after this most likely.

And some of those 4th liners shouldn't have been kept for another season, which is where a guy like Asham comes in. I'm mad because we chose worse options over him and now it's obviously too late to have enough money to pursue him anymore.

I never said we should downgrade from last year so don't attribute things to me that I never said. That's a lousy way to argue and you won't win. Your idea of a brilliant argument seems to be to misquote the person you're arguing against. How is not adding Modano and dropping Maltby a downgrade?



Is that what I said?


How much more would Asham do than the 4th line options we already have? And how much better is he that you had such a problem with him not being signed here.

For the record: He was signed in mid-August at a bit over league minimum salary. What does that tell you about how valuable he was to teams around the league?

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Posted 20 August 2010 - 08:21 PM

I guess I did. :hehe:

I just wanted to make sure that's not how it sounded. I never said we should have an enforcer on every line and constantly fight. That's not our game.

But a guy like Asham over some old man like Maltby who's being offered a similar contract is something I'm going to get a little pissed about. I haven't said anything in this thread other than my own opinion on the matter. If you guys don't care about this issue as much, then so be it. I just don't like any smart alecs coming in here and misquoting things I said to make themselves sound smarter than what they really are.

I actually like your posts, as they normally have lots of substance and I get a good laugh out of them when the humor is intended. I hold no ill will toward anyone as we are typing to each other about a team we all love and Malts instead of Asham...we knew the loyalty with this org means more than anything. We are just a little too 4th line loaded and he wouldn't have came here and received a bunch of ice time anyway. This said, I would also take him over Drew Miller and ready to take flack but what can ya do lol.
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