T-Ruff 47 Report post Posted August 21, 2010 EJHradek_ESPNNHL confirms this rule change: Regulation/OT wins (shootout Ws EXCLUDED) now will be first way to break ties in the standings. i.e. Shootout wins will no longer count towards the total number of wins for the first tiebreaker criteria. I approve Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hooon 1,089 Report post Posted August 21, 2010 i.e. Shootout wins will no longer count towards the total number of wins for the first tiebreaker criteria. I approve Good, SO wins are so weak. 2 Original-Six and T-Ruff reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,794 Report post Posted August 21, 2010 How about getting rid of the shootout, and going back to ties and no points for an OT loss? Time to eliminate this Mickey Mouse system altogether. I'm tired of seeing everyone's record being distorted by shootout wins and losses. 9 ManLuv4Clears, Branton87, Original-Six and 6 others reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rick D 350 Report post Posted August 21, 2010 How about getting rid of the shootout, and going back to ties and no points for an OT loss? exactly! 2 Zeowingsfan and GMRwings1983 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chrisdetroit 189 Report post Posted August 21, 2010 exactly! Agreed but if they won't eliminate the SO they should use a 3 point system. Regulation Win = 3 points Shootout or OT Win = 2 points Shootout or OT Loss = 1 point Regulation Loss = 0 points As it is now a SO win is as good as a regulation win. That makes no sense whatsoever. 3 Lidstrom for life, 8 Legged RedWing and Zeowingsfan reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest CaliWingsNut Report post Posted August 21, 2010 I approve. I HATE Shootouts. 1 Electrophile reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,794 Report post Posted August 21, 2010 Agreed but if they won't eliminate the SO they should use a 3 point system. Regulation Win = 3 points Shootout or OT Win = 2 points Shootout or OT Loss = 1 point Regulation Loss = 0 points As it is now a SO win is as good as a regulation win. That makes no sense whatsoever. No, because then teams will start breaking all kinds of records for wins and it's not good for the game in my opinion to keep shootouts, and on top of that, hand out more and more points. win in regulation or OT = 2 points tie after regulation/OT = 1 point loss in regulation or OT = 0 points 1 Original-Six reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest mindfly Report post Posted August 21, 2010 Regulation win 3pts Regulation Loss 0pts Tie 1pts OT win 2pts Remove the SO completely, 5 minutes of 4on4 OT if neither team scores it's a TIE.. yeah good ol 90's TIE. NO WINNER! get it you yanks... 1 55fan reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hockeygods 2 Report post Posted August 21, 2010 I for one love the shootouts!!!! I agree the point system should be changed. Tie's were the worst part of hockey and I hope we never see that garbage again. But at the same time it wouldnt matter to me if they just did contiinuous 4 on 4 or even 3 on 3 untill there is a winner 1 T-Ruff reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,794 Report post Posted August 21, 2010 Regulation win 3pts Regulation Loss 0pts Tie 1pts OT win 2pts Remove the SO completely, 5 minutes of 4on4 OT if neither team scores it's a TIE.. yeah good ol 90's TIE. NO WINNER! get it you yanks... In the 90's, there were never 3 points given out for a win. I don't remember anything being wrong with the old point system. During the lockout, there was some paranoia about improving the game for those who never watch hockey (most Americans). That's where the shootout came from. The shootout is basically a camp movie, being offered up for entertainment value only. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest mindfly Report post Posted August 21, 2010 The system i wrote is what almost every other hockey league have, if you finish them off in 60mins you should get more points than you finish them off i OT, simple as that. The tie exists everywhere in every sport but it appears north american's only see winners and losers. 1 55fan reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wingnut40 176 Report post Posted August 21, 2010 Sooooo if you win in the shootout it doesn't go toward the season number of wins and if you lose it still counts toward the season number of losses? I don't understand. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Electrophile 3,554 Report post Posted August 21, 2010 How about getting rid of the shootout, and going back to ties and no points for an OT loss? Time to eliminate this Mickey Mouse system altogether. I'm tired of seeing everyone's record being distorted by shootout wins and losses. How is it possible that I'm agreeing with you? 1 Zeowingsfan reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Stolberg Report post Posted August 21, 2010 (edited) The system i wrote is what almost every other hockey league have, if you finish them off in 60mins you should get more points than you finish them off i OT, simple as that. The tie exists everywhere in every sport but it appears north american's only see winners and losers. In what sport, besides association football, do ties/draws occur frequently? The majority of sports have some sort of overtime system or an extra game to decide the outcome. Edited August 21, 2010 by Stolberg Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
T-Ruff 47 Report post Posted August 21, 2010 Sooooo if you win in the shootout it doesn't go toward the season number of wins and if you lose it still counts toward the season number of losses? I don't understand. Shootout losses don't go into number of losses, they go into OTL and sometimes their own SOL. I imagine wins will be expanded to Wins (regulation and OTW) and shootout wins, so they can compare wins without shootout wins for the purpose of tiebreaking. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wingnut40 176 Report post Posted August 21, 2010 Shootout losses don't go into number of losses, they go into OTL and sometimes their own SOL. I imagine wins will be expanded to Wins (regulation and OTW) and shootout wins, so they can compare wins without shootout wins for the purpose of tiebreaking. OMG they're making it worse...just get rid of the dang shootout and make everybody happy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
T-Ruff 47 Report post Posted August 22, 2010 OMG they're making it worse...just get rid of the dang shootout and make everybody happy. How is that worse lol? It means if two teams have the same amount of points, but one team has more of their wins in regulation or OT, they get put ahead of a team that has more of their wins in the shootout. All they need to do is go to 3 on 3 OT after 4 on 4 (before a shootout) and it will be close to perfect. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blgillett 48 Report post Posted August 22, 2010 It sure seems to me that with the shoot outs in the game every one plays it safe and doesn't push the play in ot. There should be a lot more at stake if you don't score in ot you're not going to take home any point from the game. Make it an 8 min ot, winner gets 2 loser 0. Shoot outs are exciting, but it take away hOckey in it purest form. Just doesn't seem right. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
haroldsnepsts 4,826 Report post Posted August 22, 2010 In what sport, besides association football, do ties/draws occur frequently? The majority of sports have some sort of overtime system or an extra game to decide the outcome. In what sport can guys punch each other in the face until they're too tired to swing anymore, and their only punishment is to sit for five minutes? I don't care what other sports do really. I love hockey. Shootouts are awful. 1 55fan reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SweWings 45 Report post Posted August 22, 2010 A sports lawyering move. Nothing big... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GSBrooks13 204 Report post Posted August 22, 2010 Well, It seems like a solid rule.. but Im curious to see how much it actually changes things.. if only someone with more time, effort, knowledge and skill than me could come up with last seasons standings revised under the new tiebreaker.. im predicting no signifgant changes.. since if im reading things correctly the SO Win still counts as a regular win, unless it comes down to a tiebreaker at the end of the season where after points they would rely soley on Regulation and OT Wins. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wingnut40 176 Report post Posted August 22, 2010 How is that worse lol? It means if two teams have the same amount of points, but one team has more of their wins in regulation or OT, they get put ahead of a team that has more of their wins in the shootout. Ohhhhh, ok that makes sense. My bad. Are they going to change how they do stats sheets then? Like W, L, OTW, OTL, or am I still not understanding it? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
titanium2 867 Report post Posted August 22, 2010 Do teams still have an incentive to win a shootout then? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lookalive07 251 Report post Posted August 22, 2010 Well, It seems like a solid rule.. but Im curious to see how much it actually changes things.. if only someone with more time, effort, knowledge and skill than me could come up with last seasons standings revised under the new tiebreaker.. im predicting no signifgant changes.. since if im reading things correctly the SO Win still counts as a regular win, unless it comes down to a tiebreaker at the end of the season where after points they would rely soley on Regulation and OT Wins. Last year's playoff seeding wouldn't change, and according to stats from every other year since the shootout has been implemented, neither would any other year. Which is confusing as to why they would come up with this now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ComradeWasabi 109 Report post Posted August 22, 2010 Do teams still have an incentive to win a shootout then? They still want 2 points instead of 1. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites