Kirk Maltby nearing 1 year, 2 way deal

[Guest mindfly]

For sure (holmstrom style), I will get pissed off if i see maltby in the winged wheel this season, thanks for what you did in the late 90s and early 00's but please let's move on and bring in the kids as this team needs to get younger pretty soon.

[Casey 145]

Players on one-way contracts receive their NHL salary no matter what league they are playing in.

Players on two-way contracts receive their NHL salary when playing in the NHL and receive a smaller salary when playing in the AHL or another minor league.

This is the ONLY difference between the two. There is no effect on waiver status whatsoever.[/font]

Jiri Hudler played 12 games for the Wings in his first pro season in North America in 2003-04. He started the season at 19.[/font]

He gets his NHL salary, yes, but the big club doesn't pay it. That's the key here.

[eva unit zero 271]

He gets his NHL salary, yes, but the big club doesn't pay it. That's the key here.

Huh?

He still gets paid his contracted salary and is still pid by the Wings no matter where he plays.

I think you are confusing cap and salary.

If he is in the AHL, his CAP HIT is not counted against the team. One-way deal or two-way deal, he's still paid by the Wings regardless of where he plays.

[Barrie 900]

#8

#3 gives me chills every time!

I'd like to see a list sometime of the most important goals, not just the prettiest. DMac's would be there, along with Kozlov's OT GWG from the 1995 WFC, Yzerman's OT GWG Game 7 1996 vs. St.Louis, Shanny's empty netter Game 6 1997 WFC, Draper's OT winner in the 1998 Final, Larionov's OT GWG Game 3 2002, Shanny's EN Game 5 2002 Final, the Turd Goal (Zetterberg's) in the 2008 Final, and the OT GWG's in the 2009 WCF by Samuelsson and Helm.

There's 10 off the top of my head! Man, we've seen a lot of great moment!

[chrisdetroit 189]

i'm with you on this. i don't like losing guys like quincey and leino who didn't get any ice time to tap out their real potential. leino was a big player in philly's cup run and in a way it hurt. draper and maltby were done a couple years ago as far as effectiveness goes. if malts signs, he better be a mentor in GR all year. ice time shouldn't be given to him over guys like ritola, miller or even meech if there's injuries. and if there is injuries, i'd rather see tatar if a fwd is needed and smith if a dman is needed to see how they handle "the show" when called up. maltby should work with the likes of andersson as it seems that he will eventually have the same type of role as a grinder with the wings in years to come. after this season there will be a few spots to be taken by the young guys as well. possible retirees are modano, lids, draper, ozzy, maltby. that's atleast a roster spot at F, D and goal. lets hope mccollum doesn't play s***ty this year and howard and the wings brass can be comfortable with the howard/mccollum tandem. forward spot after this season sounds like tatar may be the guy as long as he continues to improve and that other D spot has smith's name all over it. so if someone else wants one of those spots, they better impress like crazy.

all in all, maltby needs to stay in GR ALL year and help out the team that employed him way past when he was useful.

That's not true. Leino was given every possible opportunity and then some. His average TOI per month was:

Oct 14:20

Nov 13:59

Dec 13:16

Jan 9:13

Apr 14:54

May 15:39

He was only playing 34 seconds more per game with Philly in the playoffs than he was averaging with the Wings in October. These are similar numbers to Darren Helm and he seemed to be doing okay with his ice time.

Incidently Leino is cursed. 2 Stanley cup finals losses in 2 years with different teams...

[eva unit zero 271]

Incidently Leino is cursed. 2 Stanley cup finals losses in 2 years with different teams...

Makes you wonder why better players didn't sign with Philly on the cheap then, since they're clearly winning the Cup in 2011...

Hossa was cursed in 08 and 09. Won the Cup in 2010.

I'm sure other players have fallen under this curse as well and then broken it.

And it's "Incidentally" just for reference. Sorry, spelling and grammar mistakes are a pet peeve, as I used to get paid to correct them.

[Doggy 130]

A two-way contract is important because of the money that's paid to the player. It's important because of the waiver status of that player throughout the season. A player on a two-way contract only has to clear waivers once and then is free to being called up and being sent down freely as many times as you'd like throughout the season without having to expose him to waivers again and again where as players on one-way contracts would have to clear waivers and re-entry waivers each and every time.

Holland doesn't care about the few hundred k difference in salary he'd have to give Maltby but having to go through the waiver process each time he wants to bring him up or send him down and risk losing him kind of defeats the purpose of the signing.

On top of that a signing like this, where the player is all but guaranteed to start the year in the AHL, is almost always guaranteed to work because almost every single team starts the year off with an abundance of players on their roster. As each team trims their roster down and sends their own players down to the AHL no one really has the room to claim someone on a two-way deal you're sending down (Maltby) which means he's cleared waivers for the one and only time he needs to for the year. Now you can bring him up and send him down a thousand times if you want and no one can touch him.

I've never read anything at all that even slightly resembles this within the CBA, and I feel I know it pretty well. Where do you have this information from?

My understanding of it is this: the only difference between a one- and two-way contract, is the money that comes out of Mike Ilitch's bank account. So why would a fan care?

[Datsyerberger 279]

I've never read anything at all that even slightly resembles this within the CBA, and I feel I know it pretty well. Where do you have this information from?

My understanding of it is this: the only difference between a one- and two-way contract, is the money that comes out of Mike Ilitch's bank account. So why would a fan care?

Sorta a repost from earlier in the thread, but with some rephrasing:

I think more than anything, from a fan perspective, it shows that the player knows he might or is going to play in the minors, and is willing to take a pay cut in doing so. This means that A: he's going to have to bust his ass off to make and stay on the roster, and/or B: he's dedicated enough to the team to stick around in the minors for another chance at making the roster/coming in during the playoffs/getting a chance at the cup. The fan cares because (especially in the case of an older player who could just retire) it's a demonstration of dedication to more than just another paycheck. What does, say, a 110k paycheck at a 20% (rather generous by 2-way standards) really mean to Malts at this point? He's still around because he still wants to play hockey and maybe still has the drive to win. It'd be harder to say the same (more in regards to the latter) if he rejected the two-way clause.

Edited September 1, 2010 by Datsyerberger

[Z and D for the C 712]

I think it shows intent of the Wings' front office. Everyone knows that Maltby is probably never going to play in a Wings uniform again. Even on injury call ups, we'd have to lose half our team for him to even be on the scratched roster up with the wings. What I think they're going to do is, on the NHl salary, give him an outrageous amount like 1-1.5m and then a "normal" AHL salary. This way the Wings organization is still great to Maltby, what with paying him, but he's pretty much sure to clear waivers because no one would pick him up at that NHL salary. Because as far as I know he still has to clear waivers to go to GR, but I might be wrong.

[Guest mindfly]

No one would pick up maltby even if he had a league minimum contract, that's why he ain't got a contract at the moment.

Edited September 1, 2010 by mindfly

[Hank Dats 'N Homer 81]

i was hoping to see him get an offer somewhere. I thought Stevie was ganna give him a cheap contract in Tampa for some depth and veteran leadership. I hate to see guys retire in the minors. He probably wont be getting alot of NHL playing time on this years wings team unless injury (and even then hes not the first call up im sure). Just wish he would go out atleast still being a pro player ya know?

[Guest Hatethedrake!]

If anything, this will create a competitive atmosphere at Wings Training Camp. Guys like Miller and Ritola know they have to work their asses off to make the team because Maltby is there. As others have said, when injuries hit it will be nice to have the option of calling Maltby up. I'd sooner give a young guy like Tatar or Mursak the call up instead to give them a taste of what the NHL is like. No matter what happens we can all be thankful that Jason Williams is no longer a Detroit Red Wing. I just love saying those words.

[Electrophile 3,554]

Excellent news. Welcome back, Malts.

[brett 1,029]

#8

lids goal impressed the s*** out of me. that was awesome

[55fan 5,133]

Bring him up as a black ace and let him skate once more with the Cup, even if he doesn't get his name on it again. Then let him and Drapes ride off into the sunset together, with the love and good wishes of many a Red Wings fan.

If this comes true, I'm a happy camper.

[Red Storm 38]

Wow he's back again forever; that's just great.

[WizardOfOz30 1,886]

i was hoping to see him get an offer somewhere. I thought Stevie was ganna give him a cheap contract in Tampa for some depth and veteran leadership. I hate to see guys retire in the minors. He probably wont be getting alot of NHL playing time on this years wings team unless injury (and even then hes not the first call up im sure). Just wish he would go out atleast still being a pro player ya know?

San Jose wanted him, but I'm bet it wasn't enough for him to move his family there. I like that he's staying with the Wings, although being in GR isn't the best choice, he's still part of the team and this give some of the younger guys their chance to play.

[Original-Six 254]

#8

That Lidstrom dangle + slapshot combo was boss. I dont remember that one.

[eva unit zero 271]

Then let him and Drapes ride off into the sunset together

This could very well be the intent.

[Barrie 900]

This could very well be the intent.

And I think those two deserve it.

[Rick D 350]

anyone read this on det news.com??

it was at the bottom of an article about kronwalls knee surgery.

Where's Maltby?

Holland said he met personally with the unsigned, veteran forward Kirk Maltby on Wednesday.

If Maltby wants to play with the Red Wings in 2010-11, Holland said, he would likely have to start in Grand Rapids.

"Malts has been here for a thousand games, he's been here since 1994," Holland said. "I thought it was important that Kirk and I talk face to face. We've had an ongoing dialogue, since early June. I still think he's got some hockey left in him. But, obviously, we've got some good players, here, who are younger.

"Things change, and so, I mean, that was the conversation," Holland said. "I'd like to sign him. In all probability, he's going to start out in Grand Rapids. But it's an 80-game season, and we saw the injuries we had, last year. And, you know, I think he has to decide what he wants to do."

Kris Draper , who also arrived in Detroit in 1994 and has mostly played on the same line with Maltby, said he's not certain of his old friend's circumstances.

"I haven't had a chance to talk to him, since the meeting," said Draper, who stood near Maltby's empty stall. "I'm not really sure what is going on. I just left him a voice mail and said the guys are wondering where you are and what's going on. You know, obviously, he is going to talk to his family and his agent, but if he needs a friend to talk to there's a lot of us here for him.

"This is different," said Draper, who could face the same circumstances after this season. "You know, everyone is aware of what's going on. But the bottom line is, just reaching out as a friend you know everyone in this room is going to go through it sooner or later."

From The Detroit News: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20100903/SPORTS0103/9030357/1004/SPORTS/Wings-defenseman-Niklas-Kronwall-reacts-well-to-surgery#ixzz0yVgQZdgi

[Guest Stolberg]

Actually Maltby has played 908 games with the Wings, and has been here since 95-96. So Kenny's wrong about that

I wouldn't mind a 2-way deal with him starting in GR.

[Barrie 900]

Actually Maltby has played 908 games with the Wings, and has been here since 95-96. So Kenny's wrong about that

I wouldn't mind a 2-way deal with him starting in GR.

Yea I was going to point that out too, Maltby got here at the end of the 1995-96 season, just in time for all the fun!

[Guest CaliWingsNut]

George Malik - MLive.com quoting the Macomb Daily

"I don't have the answers until we get to training camp and watch players play, but there's a real chance that Kirk Maltby could start out in Grand Rapids," Holland said. "When you're talking about someone who's played 1,000 games in the NHL, it's about a lifestyle, it's about how you want to finish your career, where you want to finish your career, how much money you want to make to finish your career. I think Kirk would be great depth," Holland added. "You come to camp, we have some injuries and maybe he can make the team. I don't know. He's healthy, he's ready to go. But we're deep up front."

[sputman 1,268]

George Malik - MLive.com quoting the Macomb Daily

yeah that sums it up. eventually age catches up and you have to accept that in that business. most people who get older in their jobs don't have the luxury of making hundreds of thousands of dollars AFTER a pay-cut. he isn't 40 yet, which is well below the retirement age, but hopefully he invested his money wisely and at the least can land a job with the wings (seems inevitable with anybody associated with the team who has an interest) in some department (scouting, player development, etc.) that would pay quite well.

he'll be fine. and we'll have someone on our 4th line who is in the mood to stir things up like he used to.