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Posted 22 September 2010 - 03:58 PM

I doubt even his own wife & children respect him.
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Posted 22 September 2010 - 04:04 PM

-A labor strike that reduced the season to 48 games, and the other a lockout that lost an entire season.
-I'm a hockey fan and I can't watch many games without shelling out money for those channels.
-$600 million with ESPN in 1998 to $72.5 with Versus in 2008
-Bulls*** scheduling in the 2009 playoffs.
-Terrible, terrible reffing every year. Hey! remember the 2008, 2009, 2010 playoffs?!?
-Putting teams in cities where I don't believe hockey will ever be successful(well, maybe because of teams like the Red Wings and revenue sharing)
-The dilution of talent because of over expansion.
-Hockey isn't yet popular in the U.S. so lets start playing in Europe!
-Handling of the Phoenix situation.
-Did I mention terrible AND s***ty reffing?
-Say what you want about his wonderful economic growth that you make it out to be but the NFL, MLB, NBA and even NASCAR spank the NHL every year.
-And the most recent for me wasthe NHL's reaction to this fiasco. A prime example of, "Shut the hell up, we're in charge."


This pretty well sums it up.

I would only add that he stuck us with those awful reebok jerseys, which I am still not accustom to and will never purchase.

The guys a weasel, a ******, a liar and tool.

But one thing he is certainly not....is a hockey fan.
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Posted 22 September 2010 - 04:12 PM

It'll get interesting in a couple years. I'm hearing on the FAN590 in Toronto that more and more owners don't like his CBA. The big markets don't like it because they can't keep their teams together, and the small markets don't like it because they are losing to much money with the floor. Also Fehr and the Players Union are ready to show the owners how much better the league would have been, and can be, with a Luxury Tax instead.
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Posted 22 September 2010 - 04:42 PM

The only only thing worse than the rabid Bettman haters is someone who goes out of their way to praise him. I'll stick with the former, thank you.

Here's some reasons I hate him and blame him for since 75% of you are sucking his balls right now.


-A labor strike that reduced the season to 48 games, and the other a lockout that lost an entire season.
-I'm a hockey fan and I can't watch many games without shelling out money for those channels.
-$600 million with ESPN in 1998 to $72.5 with Versus in 2008
-Bulls*** scheduling in the 2009 playoffs.
-Terrible, terrible reffing every year. Hey! remember the 2008, 2009, 2010 playoffs?!?
-Putting teams in cities where I don't believe hockey will ever be successful(well, maybe because of teams like the Red Wings and revenue sharing)
-The dilution of talent because of over expansion.
-Hockey isn't yet popular in the U.S. so lets start playing in Europe!
-Handling of the Phoenix situation.
-Did I mention terrible AND s***ty reffing?
-Say what you want about his wonderful economic growth that you make it out to be but the NFL, MLB, NBA and even NASCAR spank the NHL every year.
-And the most recent for me wasthe NHL's reaction to this fiasco. A prime example of, "Shut the hell up, we're in charge."


Are all of these his fault? Probably not.Let me hold onto those delusions. BUT there is a reason he get's booed so many places he goes. He gets booed at the NHL DRAFT for christ sake. You talk about him eliminating the clutch and grab play like it was such a genius move too, no just a goddamn OBVIOUS one.




/end of rant



Oh yeah, and I forgot to add because Datsyuk and Lidstrom are injured before the All-Star game they didn't hold to their "obligations to the fans, and the rights holders." According to the NHL.



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I probably couldn't have said it better myself. I will only add that while as a Wings fan I appreciate the growing salary cap, this system hasn't worked to secure the economic future of the NHL. It has distributed talent which you would think would in turn increase revenue, however this goes back to having hockey teams in non-hockey markets, it doesn't matter how talented the team is, certain cities won't grow viewership unless they are winning championships not just improving, and even fewer will be able to sustain that growth once the team comes back to earth. Not even the great Red Wings can win a championship every year. Look at Tampa Bay and Carolina for examples of teams that had success yet lost almost all those viewers again.
Betmans biggest mistake was holding out when he was offering a hard cap of 43 million and the NHLPA was willing to accept a hard cap of 48 million, now look 7 years later and the cap is 59 million?! Salaries are almost as high as they have ever been, yes he has helped improve the flow of the game, but so has the NHLPA and the GM's that's been a joint effort. He has yet to fix the economic mess that is the NHL.
As far as the playoff scheduling, that's really because of his poor decision for television support. We broadcast our games without compensation on NBC based on their needs, so in turn we can only play when they don't have a hit show scheduled.

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Posted 22 September 2010 - 05:08 PM

I suppose a commissioner is not allowed to look at the problems in a league and make changes to it in response? At least some credit has to go to him on fixing these issues.

You are right. In the end though, he will get tabbed as the guy who did it or not. As right or unjustified as that might be. Its the same thing as being a CEO. The failings of a company will in effect hit the CEO. Just as if the company does well. The CEO may have not done anything, and it was the people below him, but the CEO gets credit.

I agree with you somewhat here. Some of the expansions should have never happened. Giving expansion clubs to questionable markets is really horrible. His job is to please the owners, but I still think the fans is what he should be concentrating on more. After all, he is marketing to us. As for the quality of gameplay and officiating, I believe it is quite good. The NHL Officials are the best out there. As a referee, I can tell you that it is not easy to do even at a rec league or youth hockey official. These guys are like professional athletes. There really is not as much of an officiating problem in my mind. The real issue is fixing the gameplay problems such as removing the instigator rule. I would add no touch icing to reduce some injury. Those are just a couple examples.

I believe there is some room for improvement for sure. I also believe that there are better people out there. I also believe that there will be some dud commissioners in the NHL that will really do nothing down the road. Take a look at the history of commissioners in the league, and you will see that there were a few one year wonders who did nothing for the game. Then you have people like Clarance Campbell who held their post for 20+ years.


I can't say I agree at all about the reffing. It gets worse every single year. I don't doubt that it is a difficult job, but come on. How many games have to be decided by awful decisions and shaky rules? The games are not reffed the same from game to game, team to team. Its embarrassing how inconsistent it is. Do you remember the disallowed Brad May goal last year?

My biggest problem with the reffing is the NHL's absolute inability to admit any fault whatsoever. No matter what the mistake, error, blown call, etc. is, the league always comes out and punishes those who speak against it. There is a refusal to augment or adjust the system, and no, that is not because the reffing is perfect. There is an anti-honesty policy amongst teams and players where they aren't allowed to even whisper about bad calls. This is pretty telling that there is something wrong, if you have to literally punish players for being honest.

They have set up the rule book to make themselves completely infallable, every rule has an escape clause that calls the referee's "intention" into play, making every single rule subjective instead of black and white.

There are many other reasons why Bettman should not be praised by anyone (other than the owners), and others have already mentioned them here. Bettman and his trust care more about "potential fans", than the actual fans they already have.


But to say that the officiating is great is simply baffling to me.
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Posted 22 September 2010 - 05:28 PM

I read the first sentence you wrote and stopped reading.

Bettman is the reason the NHL is not on ESPN right now.

The owners and players that couldn't agree on a new CBA are the reason there is no NHL on ESPN. ESPN said they didn't want to license NHL games on their network because the work stoppage scared them away. Nice try though.
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Posted 22 September 2010 - 05:35 PM

No, 29 owners respect him as well.

I don't hate him.

Most people that do blame him for things he hasn't really been responsible for.

It's not Bettman's job to make fans happy, he is supposed to make the owners happy. He doesn't work for us, he doesn't work for the players, he doesn't work for TV, he works for the owners and is answerable to them.

It is the owners' responsibility to make the fans and players happy. Which is why salaries for players are so high, and why owners are always trying to find ways to cut costs to the fans without compromising the ability to generate revenue. No money in means no money out.

Clearly, based on the 18-year tenure, Bettman is doing a good job as determined by the only people who really should matter to him. If you aren't happy with VS or southern teams, blame the owners who moved them or the networks that despised the game.

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Posted 22 September 2010 - 05:48 PM

The only only thing worse than the rabid Bettman haters is someone who goes out of their way to praise him. I'll stick with the former, thank you.

Here's some reasons I hate him and blame him for since 75% of you are sucking his balls right now.


-A labor strike that reduced the season to 48 games, and the other a lockout that lost an entire season.
-I'm a hockey fan and I can't watch many games without shelling out money for those channels.
-$600 million with ESPN in 1998 to $72.5 with Versus in 2008
-Bulls*** scheduling in the 2009 playoffs.
-Terrible, terrible reffing every year. Hey! remember the 2008, 2009, 2010 playoffs?!?
-Putting teams in cities where I don't believe hockey will ever be successful(well, maybe because of teams like the Red Wings and revenue sharing)
-The dilution of talent because of over expansion.
-Hockey isn't yet popular in the U.S. so lets start playing in Europe!
-Handling of the Phoenix situation.
-Did I mention terrible AND s***ty reffing?
-Say what you want about his wonderful economic growth that you make it out to be but the NFL, MLB, NBA and even NASCAR spank the NHL every year.
-And the most recent for me wasthe NHL's reaction to this fiasco. A prime example of, "Shut the hell up, we're in charge."


Are all of these his fault? Probably not.Let me hold onto those delusions. BUT there is a reason he get's booed so many places he goes. He gets booed at the NHL DRAFT for christ sake. You talk about him eliminating the clutch and grab play like it was such a genius move too, no just a goddamn OBVIOUS one.




/end of rant

I blame the owners first and way more then Bettman, but Buttman needs to grow a pair as well.

Ex: The owners wanted a cap system so Buttman did what they wanted and stood strong the second go around. Then owners wanted to find ways to abuse the CBA they just signed, have their cake and eat it too scenario IMO.

Buttman needed to stand up to those long term contracts before it got to the point it did. I'm surprised a team of highly paid lawyers couldn't see that loop hole. But he just acts way too late when the obvious happens then proceeds to act like a tough guy.

Edited by dragonballgtz, 22 September 2010 - 05:52 PM.


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Posted 22 September 2010 - 05:58 PM

The owners and players that couldn't agree on a new CBA are the reason there is no NHL on ESPN. ESPN said they didn't want to license NHL games on their network because the work stoppage scared them away. Nice try though.


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Posted 22 September 2010 - 06:07 PM

-$600 million with ESPN in 1998 to $72.5 with Versus in 2008

Look up how much ESPN offered before the NHL made the switch then come back to me.

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Posted 22 September 2010 - 06:11 PM

"Am I the only one that respects Gary Bettman?" No; Sidney Crosby respects him too... but then again Sidney uses Bettman's penis as a pacifier. I'm not sure if that applies to you too or not, but in either case, you and Sidney are probably the only ones on this board or in Red Wing Nation worldwide that respect Bettman.
"And? If I did, I probably would have been a fighter, so what?"

Who knows; maybe you would realize that enforcers in hockey are critical to a teams chemistry and overall success?

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Posted 22 September 2010 - 06:24 PM

This is not a rant against you or anyone in particular, I just wanted to dispell some rumors and make some points. Again, it has nothing to do with you :)

I apologize for any spelling errors, my keyboard is about to die and my fingers move faster than my brain and battery lol.

[quote name='Louisville' date='22 September 2010 - 04:35 PM' timestamp='1285187752' post='2035328']
The only only thing worse than the rabid Bettman haters is someone who goes out of their way to praise him. I'll stick with the former, thank you.

Are all of these his fault?Probably not.Let me hold onto those delusions. BUT there is a reason he get's booed so many places he goes. He gets booed at the NHL DRAFT for christ sake. You talk about him eliminating the clutch and grab play like it was such a genius move too, no just a goddamn OBVIOUS one.
/end of rant
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Nope lol.
"-A labor strike that reduced the season to 48 games, and the other a lockout that lost an entire season."
Players and owners. Players wanted more money, owners wanted to pay less.
"-I'm a hockey fan and I can't watch many games without shelling out money for those channels."
Since the Owners and NHLPA couldn't agree on a new CBA, they had a strike. ESPN said they didn't want to renew their contract because of the uncertainty of the league. Versus offered the most money. Blame ESPN and greedy players and money pinching owners for hockey not being on ESPN. Plus, NHL is the number one sport on VS, NHL is like 6 or 7 on ESPN. Here's a good article explaining things: Link

"-$600 million with ESPN in 1998 to $72.5 with Versus in 2008"ESPN offered 60 million, VS offered 72 million and ESPN admitted it was a huge mistake for them that they had that 600 million contract and said they wouldn't offer that hi again.
"-Bulls*** scheduling in the 2009 playoffs."
s*** happens. Bettman and the owners of the building agree on the scheduling along with the owners of the NHL team.
"-Terrible, terrible reffing every year. Hey! remember the 2008, 2009, 2010 playoffs?!?"
You go from CHL to ECHL to AHL to NHL, or recently from Europe to the NHL. Bettman only has power over the NHL not all the other leagues where referees pick up their tendencies. Plus, Bettman shows the NHLOA videos during the offseason to show all the refs what a penalty looks like, it's not his fault that these refs don't show consistency. IF you want uber ticky tack penalties, look at the NBA, that league is a joke. I agree there needs to be consistency.

"-Putting teams in cities where I don't believe hockey will ever be successful(well, maybe because of teams like the Red Wings and revenue sharing)"
Again, this is a fallacy and your own opinion. I agree it does suck to have our profits cut down to help support other teams, but if the NHL ever wants to grow it needs to expand all over the US, plus you must remember that there are distance limits as to where you can put a team and you can't just put a team anywhere you want or else it'll go against the CBA and squish the owners toes.
"-The dilution of talent because of over expansion."
That's not really Bettman, that's more like owners who don't want to pay for talent. Look how long the Wings have been on top since they are willing to pay money. Look how quickly Chicago and Pittsburgh have rebounded after being down for a few years and getting those top picks and having their owners spend near the max to make their team competitive. If the owners are willing to spend, this league has shown any team can be competitive.
"-Hockey isn't yet popular in the U.S. so lets start playing in Europe!"
Every league does this to globalize their brand.

"-Putting teams in cities where I don't believe hockey will ever be successful(well, maybe because of teams like the Red Wings and revenue sharing)"
Again, this is a fallacy and your own opinion. I agree it does suck to have our profits cut down to help support other teams, but if the NHL ever wants to grow it needs to expand all over the US, plus you must remember that there are distance limits as to where you can put a team and you can't just put a team anywhere you want or else it'll go against the CBA and squish the owners toes.
"-The dilution of talent because of over expansion."
That's not really Bettman, that's more like owners who don't want to pay for talent. Look how long the Wings have been on top since they are willing to pay money. Look how quickly Chicago and Pittsburgh have rebounded after being down for a few years and getting those top picks and having their owners spend near the max to make their team competitive. If the owners are willing to spend, this league has shown any team can be competitive.
"-Hockey isn't yet popular in the U.S. so lets start playing in Europe!"
Every league does this to globalize their brand.

"-Putting teams in cities where I don't believe hockey will ever be successful(well, maybe because of teams like the Red Wings and revenue sharing)"
Again, this is a fallacy and your own opinion. I agree it does suck to have our profits cut down to help support other teams, but if the NHL ever wants to grow it needs to expand all over the US, plus you must remember that there are distance limits as to where you can put a team and you can't just put a team anywhere you want or else it'll go against the CBA and squish the owners toes.
"-The dilution of talent because of over expansion."
That's not really Bettman, that's more like owners who don't want to pay for talent. Look how long the Wings have been on top since they are willing to pay money. Look how quickly Chicago and Pittsburgh have rebounded after being down for a few years and getting those top picks and having their owners spend near the max to make their team competitive. If the owners are willing to spend, this league has shown any team can be competitive.
"-Hockey isn't yet popular in the U.S. so lets start playing in Europe!"
Every league does this to globalize their brand.

"-Handling of the Phoenix situation."
Agreed lol
"-Did I mention terrible AND s***ty reffing?"
Fact. Beers. Beats. Battlestar Galactica.
"-Say what you want about his wonderful economic growth that you make it out to be but the NFL, MLB, NBA and even NASCAR spank the NHL every year."
No one will ever beat out the NFL or MLB. They are Americas sports. We beat out the NBA the past two seasons. Nascar, per event, has the highest attendance of all the major sports and is rapidly growing. Plus TV revenue for the NFL is 20 billion, so you'll never get close to that haha. it's all about TV deals, and until same major TV deals come our way, we'll sit around 4th or 5th and that has nothing to do with whatever commissioner we have.
"-And the most recent for me wasthe NHL's reaction to this fiasco. A prime example of, "Shut the hell up, we're in charge.""
He critized an official at a public forum, of course he's going to get fined. Even the article says "it was the wrong tactic" (referring to Burrows using the media to complain about Auger). Also your article ALSO says "Supporting the NHL's financial penalty to Burrows is not supporting Stephane Auger or dismissing Burrows' accusations.". ANDDDD "Colin Campbell is meeting with Auger and his crew, per Sportsnet, but any punishment is expected to stay on the down-low.", so Colin Cambell was the one in charge of disciplining like he is with all disciplins (or was).

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Posted 22 September 2010 - 06:25 PM

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Posted 22 September 2010 - 06:28 PM

OFFICIAL SPORTS COMMISSIONER POWER RANKING

1. Roger Goodell
2. David Stern
3. Gary Bettman

9000001. Bud Selig

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Posted 22 September 2010 - 06:47 PM

You say hes done a great job in the post lockout era fixing the clutching and grabbing from the 90s and 00s. But, uhh, he was the commissioner in the 90s and 00s as well.

The clutch and grab era was happening regardless of Bettman. Bettman legitimately fixed a widespread problem with the league that occurred, give him credit.

I think 18 years is absurdly long for someone to be in office, seems more like a dictatorship. I'm hearing praise for him in this thread for things he didn't even do, but simply occurred during the time of his reign.


Is 18 years absurdly long? Maybe he's doing absurdly well. And he has been responsible for widespread improvement across the league.


IMO, his priorities with this league are completely backwards, with quality of gameplay and officiating being much lower on his itinerary than expansion and pleasing the owners, GMs and trustees who will agree to keep him in office as long as they keep getting paid, despite the fact that several franchises are obviously losing money. Not to mention some of the egregious decisions he approved during the NHLs expansion days.


Bettman is responsible for the two-referee system, which has resulted in a significant increase in quality of officiating due to a second pair of eyes on the ice from another angle on the opposite side of the play. Bettman is responsible for the league increasing revenues at a rate beyond what anyone even considered possible. Yes, a couple of teams were sold and had to move, but that was largely due to a triple combination of market size, fan support, and in two cases exchange rate. Bettman is responsible for this: the NHL used to pay 75% of revenue to players, now it's less than 55%. Yet there are more players than ever now, and a record average salary.
As far as play quality? Bettman is responsible for killing clutch and grab. Bettman's rule changes have resulted in teams using more roster spots on skilled players, rather than unskilled goons.


I'm no conspiracy theorist. He doesn't fix games, he isn't corrupt, or working for the pens. He's just self-serving. Sure, there have been things he didn't screw up, but I do not believe that he is the only person in the world who can run this league, and there is a LOT of room for improvement.


Self-serving? How? Explain that one to me.
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Posted 22 September 2010 - 06:54 PM

From an employer/employee labour standpoint, he has shown almost total disrespect for those who work for the League.


If for no other reason, this alone should make you stand alone in your respect for Betteman. Forget the fact that he may have a worse disrespect for true hockey fans or at least acts like it.

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Posted 22 September 2010 - 06:56 PM

Konnan511, I do have to agree with most of your comments. I will say that the expansion years were a mistake in a lot of markets. Bringing hockey back to Minnesota was a great thing. Bringing hockey to Phoenix and Nashville, markets that are struggling, was a stretch. As a result, the talent diluted. I think 24 teams would be better than 30 teams.

-A labor strike that reduced the season to 48 games, and the other a lockout that lost an entire season.
You this pissed off when the other major sports had lockouts? Lockouts happen, and you can blame the owners and players as a whole.

-I'm a hockey fan and I can't watch many games without shelling out money for those channels.
Same with the MLB, NBA, and NFL. Hell, the NFL and directv make oodles of money for the Sunday Ticket.

-$600 million with ESPN in 1998 to $72.5 with Versus in 2008
ESPN offered $60m in this last round of negotiations. I am glad they went with Versus for the extra cash.

Those are the most egregious points. I won't waste my time on the others. :)
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Posted 22 September 2010 - 07:24 PM

OFFICIAL SPORTS COMMISSIONER POWER RANKING

1. Roger Goodell
2. David Stern
3. Gary Bettman

9000001. Bud Selig



I'm pretty sure the Miller Lite "Commish" makes it on that list over Bettman.
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Posted 22 September 2010 - 07:47 PM

If for no other reason, this alone should make you stand alone in your respect for Betteman. Forget the fact that he may have a worse disrespect for true hockey fans or at least acts like it.


what's the definition of true hockey fan



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Posted 22 September 2010 - 08:22 PM

Holy balls quote function.

Holy balls, I tried. Too many quote tags.
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