Bring Back The Bruise Bros 1,029 Report post Posted September 29, 2010 None what-so-ever. I'm not saying fighting is useless, but I am saying a player that can only fight is useless. I would of liked a Brandon Prust type player, but not a Aaron Downey type player. Fair enough. Maybe Kenny can pluck someone out of those who are still free agents at the beginning of the season like he did last year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest mindfly Report post Posted September 29, 2010 (edited) Maybe kenny doesn't see what we do, that some teams take liberties on the wings when not carrying a respectable enforcer, brad may of last season didnt really count and now we don't have anyone, as BBTBB said, expect more of the orpik-kneeing-franzen stuff...teams can do whatever they want because they know no one will beat them up. Edited September 29, 2010 by mindfly 1 55fan reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doc Holliday 1,888 Report post Posted September 29, 2010 Maybe kenny doesn't see what we do, that some teams take liberties on the wings when not carrying a respectable enforcer, brad may of last season didnt really count and now we don't have anyone, as BBTBB said, expect more of the orpik-kneeing-franzen stuff...teams can do whatever they want because they know no one will beat them up. Last time I checked the issues the Wings had last year were with the amount of injuries they had (non-cheapshot related) which hurt their performance on the ice, not the amount of liberties teams were taking with the Wings. Talk about an overstated issue. 1 GoWings1905 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jollymania 162 Report post Posted September 29, 2010 (edited) Welcome to another year of cheapshots on Franzen, Datsyuk, and Zetterberg. The Brooks Orpik hit is only the beginning of what we're gonna see. you do realize the last game downey played he got trucked and knocked out of the game? So in essence he was wasting a roster space and no where near the role of enforcer. Downey is not the guy who will prevent cheapshots, he sucks at hockey too much. Edited September 29, 2010 by jollymania 1 henrik40 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest mindfly Report post Posted September 29, 2010 (edited) Last time I checked the issues the Wings had last year were with the amount of injuries they had (non-cheapshot related) which hurt their performance on the ice, not the amount of liberties teams were taking with the Wings. Talk about an overstated issue. The zetterberg shoulder injury would not have happend if the wings had a respectable physical player that could fight. Öhlund wouldn't have hit him that hard in that vunerable position if he knew he would get his ass kicked afterwards. And Laraque wouldn't have stretched his leg out for the obvious dangerous play either, he knew he would get away with it.. he got a minor suspension that's all. Edited September 29, 2010 by mindfly 1 55fan reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Echolalia 2,961 Report post Posted September 29, 2010 Welcome to another year of cheapshots on Franzen, Datsyuk, and Zetterberg. The Brooks Orpik hit is only the beginning of what we're gonna see. Downey really did a good job of preventing Brook Orpik from taking liberties that night, didn't he? 2 Nev and GoWings1905 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dominator2005 558 Report post Posted September 29, 2010 Last time I checked the issues the Wings had last year were with the amount of injuries they had (non-cheapshot related) which hurt their performance on the ice, not the amount of liberties teams were taking with the Wings. Talk about an overstated issue. Here we go again... there are about 27-28 teams in NHL with AT LEAST ONE ENFORCER and they are all stupids... Downey really did a good job of preventing Brook Orpik from taking liberties that night, didn't he? and you really think that Orpik was afraid of Downey?! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Carman 387 Report post Posted September 29, 2010 Here we go again... there are about 27-28 teams in NHL with AT LEAST ONE ENFORCER and they are all stupids... How many of those teams make the playoffs for 20 straight years and have 4 cups in 12 years? I'll trust Holland over any other GM. Fighting is only useful for entertainment purposes, I'd like a fighter on the team just because it's fun to watch, not because it helps the team win. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Heroes of Hockeytown 694 Report post Posted September 29, 2010 And Laraque wouldn't have stretched his leg out for the obvious dangerous play either, he knew he would get away with it.. he got a minor suspension that's all. Why would Laraque be afraid of fighting? Even if the Wings had an enforcer dressed that night, Laraque is well-versed in that sort of thing. He stuck his leg out because Kronwall had him beat, not because he wouldn't have to fight Downey later. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Konnan511 1,736 Report post Posted September 29, 2010 Welcome to another year of cheapshots on Franzen, Datsyuk, and Zetterberg. The Brooks Orpik hit is only the beginning of what we're gonna see. We had an enforcer in our line-up that game. 3 dragonballgtz, dobbles and GoWings1905 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,794 Report post Posted September 29, 2010 How many of those teams make the playoffs for 20 straight years and have 4 cups in 12 years? I'll trust Holland over any other GM. Fighting is only useful for entertainment purposes, I'd like a fighter on the team just because it's fun to watch, not because it helps the team win. Wasn't it Holland who signed Downey and May, and Holland who has advocated enforcers in the past? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Carman 387 Report post Posted September 29, 2010 Wasn't it Holland who signed Downey and May, and Holland who has advocated enforcers in the past? He signed them just to sell tickets, he knew they sucked at playing hockey and couldn't help the team win. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,794 Report post Posted September 29, 2010 He signed them just to sell tickets, he knew they sucked at playing hockey and couldn't help the team win. Ah, that explains everything. That Holland is one smart GM, alright. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cjm502 165 Report post Posted September 29, 2010 He's too small to fight heavyweights though. See the Flyers v. Leafs games from last season to see how this can turn out. I would say the best thing about Callahans fighting is his ability to hang with guys that are several inches taller than him. He goes with some big guys, and often comes out with the win. Think of the 08-09 Carcillo, or Domi. 1 wings1110 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doc Holliday 1,888 Report post Posted September 29, 2010 (edited) Here we go again... there are about 27-28 teams in NHL with AT LEAST ONE ENFORCER and they are all stupids... And they prevent cheapshots? It's not like Detroit magically has more cheapshots against them than other teams in the league. Most players tend to concentrate on playing hockey instead of worrying about sitting in the box for five minutes. and you really think that Orpik was afraid of Downey?! I don't think Orpik is afraid of anyone, considering he can simply decline to fight anyone who comes at him. Edited September 29, 2010 by Doc Holliday 1 dobbles reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dominator2005 558 Report post Posted September 29, 2010 How many of those teams make the playoffs for 20 straight years and have 4 cups in 12 years? I'll trust Holland over any other GM. Fighting is only useful for entertainment purposes, I'd like a fighter on the team just because it's fun to watch, not because it helps the team win. Cups which Detroit won in the past: Rosters from 96-97 and/or 97-98, Shanahan, Lapointe, McCarty, Kocur, Rouse, Jamie Macouin, Bob Rouse, Ward, Konstantinov... That's toughnes and skills my friend... 2002 - We had McCarty, Shanahan... 2008 - Shadow of Mcarty Holland, GM who is promising every summer that he'l go after enforcer. Holland, GM who wanted to trade Datsyuk for Luongo (Florida went after Canucks deal). Holland, GM who offered $6M per season (for 4 or 5 seasons) to Elias. Sorry but your point is not valid Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cjm502 165 Report post Posted September 29, 2010 We had an enforcer in our line-up that game. I also believe he was in the box at the time of the hit, for fighting. 1 55fan reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,794 Report post Posted September 29, 2010 And they prevent cheapshots? It's not like Detroit magically has more cheapshots against them than other teams in the league. Most teams tend to concentrate on playing hockey instead of worrying about sitting in the box for five minutes. Then how do you explain why most teams carry enforcers? And please don't say it's just to sell tickets. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dominator2005 558 Report post Posted September 29, 2010 And they prevent cheapshots? It's not like Detroit magically has more cheapshots against them than other teams in the league. Most players tend to concentrate on playing hockey instead of worrying about sitting in the box for five minutes. I don't think Orpik is afraid of anyone, considering he can simply decline to fight anyone who comes at him. Right, just like he did with Bertuzzi... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doc Holliday 1,888 Report post Posted September 29, 2010 (edited) Then how do you explain why most teams carry enforcers? And please don't say it's just to sell tickets. Why don't you ask them? Perhaps many GMs still would like to keep the flies off, but does it honestly show in this day and age? The instigator keeps players from being forced to fight. Guys like Cooke honestly have nothing to worry about. Enforcers who do nothing BUT fight have very little value in the league. What happened to Laraque? Why does Brad May have to try out for teams? Give me a guy who plays a physical game (Stevens or Konstantinov) over some guy who is going to fight another player AFTER THE FACT. From what I have seen the enforcers rarely make a difference in the danger to the star players of a team. Right, just like he did with Bertuzzi... Didn't they both get roughing majors? Edited September 29, 2010 by Doc Holliday Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dominator2005 558 Report post Posted September 29, 2010 Why don't you ask them? Perhaps many GMs still would like to keep the flies off, but does it honestly show in this day and age? The instigator keeps players from being forced to fight. Guys like Cooke honestly have nothing to worry about. Enforcers who do nothing BUT fight have very little value in the league. What happened to Laraque? Why does Brad May have to try out for teams? Give me a guy who plays a physical game (Stevens or Konstantinov) over some guy who is going to fight another player AFTER THE FACT. From what I have seen the enforcers rarely make a difference in the danger to the star players of a team. Didn't they both get roughing majors? http://www.hockeyfights.com/fights/96807 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
#96 16 Report post Posted September 29, 2010 There goes the Stanley Cup. We've never won one without a tough guy in the lineup. What's that matter? We still have Bert and not to mention Kronwall who lays out people like they are flys.. Who else? Franzen is a pretty big enforcer now a days and our D like Ericcsson shows he isn't afraid to knock someone out. Hell, Abdelkader even throws down. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dominator2005 558 Report post Posted September 29, 2010 What's that matter? We still have Bert and not to mention Kronwall who lays out people like they are flys.. Who else? Franzen is a pretty big enforcer now a days and our D like Ericcsson shows he isn't afraid to knock someone out. Hell, Abdelkader even throws down. This is a joke - right??? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
newfy 695 Report post Posted September 29, 2010 How many of those teams make the playoffs for 20 straight years and have 4 cups in 12 years? I'll trust Holland over any other GM. Fighting is only useful for entertainment purposes, I'd like a fighter on the team just because it's fun to watch, not because it helps the team win. And how many of those teams that won 4 stanley cups had an enforcer on them? I'll give you a hint, it starts with f and ends with our 2 redwingfan19 and 55fan reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doc Holliday 1,888 Report post Posted September 29, 2010 http://www.hockeyfights.com/fights/96807 Well whaddaya know. Point still stands. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
