Carman 387 Report post Posted September 29, 2010 And how many of those teams that won 4 stanley cups had an enforcer on them? I'll give you a hint, it starts with f and ends with our An enforcer that can't skate or contribute at all besides fists? Zero. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dominator2005 558 Report post Posted September 29, 2010 Well whaddaya know. Point still stands. In your mind maybe, in reality I'm not sure about it. This is not about Downey, I don't care about Downey. He was finished 2 years ago... I wasn't expecting much (anything) from him. This is about Detroit with no TOUGHNESS. Something that was a problem (even Holland said that he will go after enforcer and Dallas Drake type of player)... and nothing... I don't know if you realize but this is the WEAKEST team in the NHL right now... 1 GMRwings1983 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Carman 387 Report post Posted September 29, 2010 In your mind maybe, in reality I'm not sure about it. This is not about Downey, I don't care about Downey. He was finished 2 years ago... I wasn't expecting much (anything) from him. This is about Detroit with no TOUGHNESS. Something that was a problem (even Holland said that he will go after enforcer and Dallas Drake type of player)... and nothing... I don't know if you realize but this is the WEAKEST team in the NHL right now... Salei, Ericsson, Stuart, Abdelkader, and Bertuzzi are more then enough you don't need to fight to be tough. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doc Holliday 1,888 Report post Posted September 29, 2010 In your mind maybe, in reality I'm not sure about it. This is not about Downey, I don't care about Downey. He was finished 2 years ago... I wasn't expecting much (anything) from him. This is about Detroit with no TOUGHNESS. Something that was a problem (even Holland said that he will go after enforcer and Dallas Drake type of player)... and nothing... I don't know if you realize but this is the WEAKEST team in the NHL right now... I'm not worried. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dominator2005 558 Report post Posted September 29, 2010 Salei, Ericsson, Stuart, Abdelkader, and Bertuzzi are more then enough you don't need to fight to be tough. OK that's it - I thought that your previous post was "poor" but this one is just WOW... 2 55fan and GMRwings1983 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Carman 387 Report post Posted September 29, 2010 OK that's it - I thought that your previous post was "poor" but this one is just WOW... There is nothing tough about sitting in a box for 5 minutes, sorry. I'd rather have someone out there hitting. 3 Zeowingsfan, crotty99 and dobbles reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Crymson Report post Posted September 29, 2010 How many of those teams make the playoffs for 20 straight years and have 4 cups in 12 years? I'll trust Holland over any other GM. Fighting is only useful for entertainment purposes, I'd like a fighter on the team just because it's fun to watch, not because it helps the team win. No! We're screwed! Stop arguing that the team will do anything this year!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dominator2005 558 Report post Posted September 29, 2010 (edited) Why don't you ask them? Perhaps many GMs still would like to keep the flies off, but does it honestly show in this day and age? The instigator keeps players from being forced to fight. Guys like Cooke honestly have nothing to worry about. Enforcers who do nothing BUT fight have very little value in the league. What happened to Laraque? Why does Brad May have to try out for teams? Give me a guy who plays a physical game (Stevens or Konstantinov) over some guy who is going to fight another player AFTER THE FACT. From what I have seen the enforcers rarely make a difference in the danger to the star players of a team. Didn't they both get roughing majors? Laraque wasn't interested to fight anymore... Brad May had to try out because of his AGE - he was 38 (edit) years old... and pretty much every team in NHL has at least 1 ENFORCER who's playing on regular bases. Edited September 29, 2010 by Dominator2005 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Crymson Report post Posted September 29, 2010 Laraque wasn't interested to fight anymore... Brad May had to try out because of his AGE - he was 38 (edit) years old... and pretty much every team in NHL has at least 1 ENFORCER who's playing on regular bases. I don't think the Capitals have one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dominator2005 558 Report post Posted September 29, 2010 I don't think the Capitals have one. Wrong, they have KING, BRADLEY, ERSKINE... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Crymson Report post Posted September 29, 2010 (edited) Wrong, they have KING, BRADLEY, ERSKINE... King wasn't there last season, and I doubt he'll play much this season. Bradley and Erskine are not enforcers. Bradley is able to contribute offensively--he scored ten goals last year--and Erskine does not fight very much and is a capable defenseman. Players like Downey cannot defend or score. Edited September 29, 2010 by Crymson Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dominator2005 558 Report post Posted September 29, 2010 King wasn't there last season, and I doubt he'll play much this season. Bradley and Erskine are not enforcers. King wasn't there last season - so what? This season he's there. He's going to play, why, look at east conference, thay have no choice but to play him. Sorry but Erskine is HW fighter. He changed his role but you can ask Lucic if Erskine is a good fighter. Bradley can play and fight (and he's true RW). King wasn't there last season, and I doubt he'll play much this season. Bradley and Erskine are not enforcers. Bradley is able to contribute offensively--he scored ten goals last year--and Erskine does not fight very much and is a capable defenseman. Players like Downey cannot defend or score. I'm going to repeat it - this isn't at all about Downey. I wasn't expecting nothing from him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Crymson Report post Posted September 29, 2010 King wasn't there last season - so what? This season he's there. He's going to play, why, look at east conference, thay have no choice but to play him. Sorry but Erskine is HW fighter. He changed his role but you can ask Lucic if Erskine is a good fighter. Bradley can play and fight (and he's true RW). Erskine has averaged four fights per year over the past four seasons. That's not an enforcer. The Capitals lacked an enforcer last season and won the President's Trophy, just as the Wings often do. King may or may not play a significant amount of time this season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Carman 387 Report post Posted September 29, 2010 I'm going to repeat it - this isn't at all about Downey. I wasn't expecting nothing from him. *Reads the topic title.* Wings release Aaron Downey Oh. Wings don't need Downey, or any player that plays like him. End of story. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dominator2005 558 Report post Posted September 29, 2010 *Reads the topic title.* Oh. Wings don't need Downey, or any player that plays like him. End of story. Sorry Carman but you are just proving that you are stupid... 1 55fan reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Carman 387 Report post Posted September 29, 2010 Sorry Carman but you are just proving that you are stupid... Nice to resort to petty insults. I won't be able to sleep. Holland is a great GM, I trust that he knows what's best. I don't think the Red Wings are going to suck because they don't have a player that plays 3 minutes a night and punches people. 4 Uncle Danny, henrik40, GoWings1905 and 1 other reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Crymson Report post Posted September 29, 2010 Sorry Carman but you are just proving that you are stupid... You're arguing that the team needs a player like Downey. People are disagreeing. 1 ricky0034 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dominator2005 558 Report post Posted September 29, 2010 (edited) Erskine has averaged four fights per year over the past four seasons. That's not an enforcer. The Capitals lacked an enforcer last season and won the President's Trophy, just as the Wings often do. King may or may not play a significant amount of time this season. In 2006 he had 13 fights. As I said he changed his style of play - that's why he'S fighting less, but as you can see it - he'S fighting with HW, Laraque, Boulton, Peters etc... Also let'S not forget that they had Brashear, Sutherby... so there was no really need for Erskine to fight. One thing is sure - Caps are tougher than Detroit. Nice to resort to petty insults. I won't be able to sleep. Holland is a great GM, I trust that he knows what's best. I don't think the Red Wings are going to suck because they don't have a player that plays 3 minutes a night and punches people. You proved a lot with your previous statements... Edited September 29, 2010 by Dominator2005 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Crymson Report post Posted September 29, 2010 In 2006 he had 13 fights. As I said he changed his style of play - that's why he'S fighting less, but as you can see it - he'S fighting with HW, Laraque, Boulton, Peters etc... That was 2006. Now is now. You're supporting my point. Also let'S not forget that they had Brashear, Sutherby... so there was no really need for Erskine to fight. They had neither last season, and Erskine still had only four fights. They nevertheless had the best regular season in team history. One thing is sure - Caps are tougher than Detroit. I don't get how this is important. You claimed that every single team uses a Downey-like player. Washington did not have one last year, and they were enormously successful. 1 ricky0034 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Carman 387 Report post Posted September 29, 2010 You proved a lot with your previous statements... You are basing my intelligence on forum posts that disagree with your views regarding enforcers and their role in hockey . Something is telling me that doesn't seem to be the best way to judge my intellectual ability. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dominator2005 558 Report post Posted September 29, 2010 You're arguing that the team needs a player like Downey. People are disagreeing. I said that this Detroit edition 2010/2011 will be the SOFTEST ever... No I didn't wanted Downey, there were a lot of better options than him out there. That was 2006. Now is now. You're supporting my point. They had neither last season, and Erskine still had only four fights. They nevertheless had the best regular season in team history. I don't get how this is important. You claimed that every single team uses a Downey-like player. Washington did not have one last year, and they were enormously successful. Enforcer doesn't means Downey type of player... There is Thornton type of enforcer (who plays on PK and can score some goals) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WorkingOvertime 536 Report post Posted September 30, 2010 Did anyone watch the game last year when May fought Boll? Boll was taking runs at Dats, Raffy, etc all game until May forced the issue. After the fight, Boll was playing less recklessly. Does this mean an enforcer will prevent all cheap-shot? No. But they are often successful in stopping a player from continuing their reckless play. 2 55fan and ManLuv4Clears reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dominator2005 558 Report post Posted September 30, 2010 (edited) You are basing my intelligence on forum posts that disagree with your views regarding enforcers and their role in hockey . Something is telling me that doesn't seem to be the best way to judge my intellectual ability. This is what you postead earlier: How many of those teams make the playoffs for 20 straight years and have 4 cups in 12 years? I'll trust Holland over any other GM. Fighting is only useful for entertainment purposes, I'd like a fighter on the team just because it's fun to watch, not because it helps the team win. Those are kind of statements which are "poor". I told you that you are stupid and I'm sorry for that - it was very stupid from me. I'm really sorry. Edited September 30, 2010 by Dominator2005 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Crymson Report post Posted September 30, 2010 (edited) I said that this Detroit edition 2010/2011 will be the SOFTEST ever... No I didn't wanted Downey, there were a lot of better options than him out there. Interesting. Last year, Eaves, Helm, Abdelkader and Miller replaced 2008-2009's Samuelsson, Hossa and Hudler. How, pray tell, was that a decrease in toughness? Look, dude---just give up. Your attack on Carman's credibility was a clear sign of your knowledge that your argument was weak. Now you've resorted to making silly, hyperbolic claims. Edited September 30, 2010 by Crymson Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dominator2005 558 Report post Posted September 30, 2010 Did anyone watch the game last year when May fought Boll? Boll was taking runs at Dats, Raffy, etc all game until May forced the issue. After the fight, Boll was playing less recklessly. Does this mean an enforcer will prevent all cheap-shot? No. But they are often successful in stopping a player from continuing their reckless play. http://www.hockeyfights.com/fights/90574 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
