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[Dominator2005]

And there, again, you ignore responses to your arguments and instead resort to attempts to undermine credibility.

Thank you for your de-facto concession of defeat.

Which defeat are you talking about???

Who said that many players (which are not tough) are acting TOUGH against Detroit???

[Crymson]

Which defeat are you talking about???

Who said that many players (which are not tough) are acting TOUGH against Detroit???

Your behavior constitutes a tacit admission that your argument is full of holes.

Edited by Crymson, 29 September 2010 - 07:17 PM.

[Dominator2005]

Your behavior constitutes a tacit admission that your argument is full of holes.

What arguments are you talking about?! Your own perceptions? I'm gonna ask you again, why 28 GM have at least 1 enforcer?!?! There are 30 teams in NHL, 28 of them have at least 1 enforcer. After that, we are going to talk about grit.

[Crymson]

What arguments are you talking about?! Your own perceptions? I'm gonna ask you again, why 28 GM have at least 1 enforcer?!?! There are 30 teams in NHL, 28 of them have at least 1 enforcer. After that, we are going to talk about grit.

I made a reference to last year's Capitals roster and their level of success. You responded with holed arguments, then changed the subject when I refuted those arguments.

I made a counter-argument to your implication that this year's Red Wings team will be the "weakest ever." After I refuted yet another round of flawed arguments, you resorted to attempts to undermine my credibility.

I'm not going to respond to your argument in this particular post, as you'll just use that to change the subject or to say "OMFG YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, SO WHAT YOU SAID EARLIER IS SO DUMB OMG."

Edited by Crymson, 29 September 2010 - 07:36 PM.

[Dominator2005]

I made a reference to last year's Capitals roster and their level of success. You responded with holed arguments, then changed the subject when I refuted those arguments.

I made a counter-argument to your implication that this year's Red Wings team will be the "weakest ever." After I refuted yet another round of flawed arguments, you resorted to attempts to undermine my credibility.

I'm not going to respond to your argument in this particular post, as you'll just use that to change the subject or to say "OMFG YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, SO WHAT YOU SAID EARLIER IS SO DUMB OMG."

Still no answer to my question...

Capitals are pretty much tougher than Red Wings. They have Erskine, Bradley, Steckell, Chimera, KING...
Their level of succes - lost in 1st round... what's your point?!

I'm going to ask you again for 10th times - WHY 28 GM'S HAVE AT LEAST ONE ENFORCER?! Those are facts and not OWN PERCEPTION.

"Holed arguments" (I really see no holes) are better than using my own perception as arguments...

Edited by Dominator2005, 29 September 2010 - 07:45 PM.

[dobbles]

dominator, you are making yourself look really stupid. you should walk away man. you may think you are fighting the good fight (pun intended) but its just not happening for you today.

[Dominator2005]

dominator, you are making yourself look really stupid. you should walk away man. you may think you are fighting the good fight (pun intended) but its just not happening for you today.

I thought that saying that Franzen is ENFORCER was stupid.
I thought that saying that Salei and Stuart are fighters was stupid.

If it's stupid to say that Detroit 2010/2011 edition is the softest ever (so far) well yes, I must be stupid. But go to all other forums and read comments about this edition of Detroit - and you will see that there are more "stupid" people out there than you think.

Edited by Dominator2005, 29 September 2010 - 07:59 PM.

[Crymson]

I'll just step away now. I've done what I came here to do.

[Dominator2005]

I'll just step away now. I've done what I came here to do.

Still no answer... good night Crymson!!!

[Broken 16]

Having players on your team that other players are afraid of is ALWAYS a plus and will contribute towards wins. Saying that fighting is good for "entertainment value" understates it's importance quite a bit. Yes, a powerplay can be an enforcer on some level, but a human being will always be more afraid of a fist to the face.

Having said that, Holland has proven that he will always pick skill over fighting and unless a player possesses both, he won't see much ice time. Not enough for him to have a real impact.

Edited by Broken 16, 29 September 2010 - 08:11 PM.

[GoWings1905]

Welcome to another year of cheapshots on Franzen, Datsyuk, and Zetterberg. The Brooks Orpik hit is only the beginning of what we're gonna see.

Glad Downey was there to prevent that.

[dragonballgtz]

Having said that, Holland has proven that he will always pick skill over fighting and unless a player possesses both, he won't see much ice time. Not enough for him to have a real impact.

Having just a pure enforcer for the sake of just having one is no bueno. If our "enforcer" was a McCarty or Lucic type then I would be all for that person, like everyone else would be.

[GMRwings1983]

How come when we had enforcers on our team, no one was starting threads like "OMG, we need to get rid of Downey and May because they can't score"?

Now that we don't have any tough guys, everyone raves about how insignificant those players are to the team. At least be consistent people, instead of resorting to hypocrisy.

[esteef]

I love the "entertainment value" argument. Talk about f***in' hilarious! The Wings are super deep every year to the point that they have to let good players leave yet we reserve spots on the team for Downey and May type players just for "entertainment".

This bulls*** gets funnier every time it's argued about!

esteef

[Detroit # 1 Fan]

That's a shame. An absolute class act, good luck with everything Downs.

[SouthernWingsFan]

Woooooo enforcers!

We've never talked about those kinda people in here before!!!!

[thedisappearer]

Capitals are pretty much tougher than Red Wings. They have Erskine, Bradley, Steckell, Chimera, KING...
Their level of succes - lost in 1st round... what's your point?!

That we got farther with a "weaker" team"?

How come when we had enforcers on our team, no one was starting threads like "OMG, we need to get rid of Downey and May because they can't score"?

Now that we don't have any tough guys, everyone raves about how insignificant those players are to the team. At least be consistent people, instead of resorting to hypocrisy.

Or, the people who don't care about the enforcer issue don't whine like a 7 year old girl with a skinned knee about it? personally, i don't get worked up over 4th liners, especially when we're not talking about developing young talent.

[Bring Back The Bruise Bros]

If I remember correctly, Bertuzzi proceeded to pound Orpik after the hit. That's what we need more of. If Bertuzzi could deter some of the cheap s*** other teams are gonna do, that would be great. Someone's gotta do it. Its gonna have to take Zetterberg's head getting knocked off by Matt Cooke to make Detroit realize "hey, maybe some beef would prevent that". Seriously. I'm not saying we need a team stacked with Belaks and Boogaards, but we need the balance of skill and grit. We don't have that right now, in my opinion. The way its looking, our enforcer is gonna be Jimmy Howard. Nobody ever clears the crease(cough, Ericsson and Rafalski), so he'll have to do it.

Your team isn't going deep into the playoffs unless you have a balanced combination of skill, grit, and veteran experience. Bottom line.

[Crymson]

Your team isn't going deep into the playoffs unless you have a balanced combination of skill, grit, and veteran experience. Bottom line.

2008-2009. Bottom line incorrect.

[Dominator2005]

That we got farther with a "weaker" team"?


Or, the people who don't care about the enforcer issue don't whine like a 7 year old girl with a skinned knee about it? personally, i don't get worked up over 4th liners, especially when we're not talking about developing young talent.

Funny part is that the Flyers went to the finals, farther then Detroit...