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#41 rage

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Posted 06 October 2010 - 04:11 AM

Yeah we in Michigan wont be able to watch them on center ice probably.

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Posted 06 October 2010 - 04:17 PM

Anyone else find it a little odd as to why there's no significant attention from the league, nor other media outlets concerning this issue with DISH Network, and FOX?

Last season there was quite a bit of news when VS/DirecTV had their little squabble.

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Posted 07 October 2010 - 12:53 PM

Well, switched from Dish Network to DirecTV today. That's the good news (I think). Bad news is that it will take 2 weeks to get it installed! WTF?

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Posted 07 October 2010 - 01:19 PM

Well, switched from Dish Network to DirecTV today. That's the good news (I think). Bad news is that it will take 2 weeks to get it installed! WTF?


Did you go through Direct TV directly? I called our local retailer who is a Direct TV dealer and they can have us up and running in 24-48 hours.

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Posted 07 October 2010 - 03:23 PM

My link

NHL Center Ice to be free for first 18 days
Wednesday, 10.06.2010 / 2:33 PM / News
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NHL fans will get a free gift to start the season -- NHL Center Ice will be offered free by cable systems across the country for the first 18 days of the season.

From Oct. 7-24, fans will be able to watch up to 40 out-of-market games per week, as well as see the numerous innovations that are part of the 14-channel package.

Among the features are a multi-screen mosaic, featuring all the current action, with score and clock, available on the first channel of the package. There also will be a stats channel, and when possible dual feeds, featuring home and road broadcasts of the same game on separate channels. The package also will offer up to 12 games per week in high definition.

Participating cable companies are: Comcast, Time Warner Cable, Cox Communications, Bright House Networks, Cablevision Systems, Bresnan Communications, Charter Communications, Midcontinent and Verizon FiOS, plus a number of independent affiliates.

Fans who purchase a full season of NHL Center Ice by Oct. 31 will receive the Early Bird price of $171.80.


I don't know how this will help us locally, unless we can get the other team's broadcast, but I remember this from last year. At least we can figure out how it's going to work with this FSN crap.

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Posted 07 October 2010 - 03:40 PM

To those who had NHL center ice in the past, will the away teams work or will they be blacked out? I am sure Michigan feeds will be blacked out on NHL center ice

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Posted 08 October 2010 - 12:48 AM

To those who had NHL center ice in the past, will the away teams work or will they be blacked out? I am sure Michigan feeds will be blacked out on NHL center ice

Any FOX broadcast is subject to blackout with the DISH Network/Center Ice combo.

I'd say there's probably 12 to 14 teams here in the USA that uses FOX as their primary station for broadcasts...Not good news for us.

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Posted 08 October 2010 - 03:03 AM

I know that in the past, several Ducks games have been on Fox Sports West, which would mean that that feed would not be made available to DishNetwork customers. The Ducks website says that the game is on Prime, so there should be a feed to Center Ice.

This whole Fox vs. Dish has me pissed off and confused, and neither of their customer service departments seem to actually give a s***. When a company gives you their competitions phone number when you discuss dropping service with them, maybe it is time to leave. Just thinking.

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Posted 08 October 2010 - 09:04 AM

I know that in the past, several Ducks games have been on Fox Sports West, which would mean that that feed would not be made available to DishNetwork customers. The Ducks website says that the game is on Prime, so there should be a feed to Center Ice.

This whole Fox vs. Dish has me pissed off and confused, and neither of their customer service departments seem to actually give a s***. When a company gives you their competitions phone number when you discuss dropping service with them, maybe it is time to leave. Just thinking.

IIRC - all 3 teams based in California air most of their games via FOX which more or less means they too will have this issue that we Red Wing fans have.

Once again I'm surprised there's really no attention to this outside of us DISH Network subscribers...IMHO this has the potential to be alot worse than the DirecTV/VS issue of last season.

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Posted 08 October 2010 - 10:22 AM

so this entire week my guide has been showing the game on one of the Center Ice channels in HD.


this morning I check and it shows "Off Air" for the entire day. I call Customer Service and the girl tells me "sir if you scroll over to when the game is, it'll have the game listed. Channels go off air in the middle of the night"

Seriously? She thought I was looking up the game at 3am and wondering why I couldn't see it. :ranting:


And still right now it's showing Off Air for the HD broadcast and showing the game in SD as of right now. Did FSDetroit decide not to show the game or is this just the beginning of FS and Dish ****ing with me?

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Posted 08 October 2010 - 12:15 PM

so this entire week my guide has been showing the game on one of the Center Ice channels in HD.


this morning I check and it shows "Off Air" for the entire day. I call Customer Service and the girl tells me "sir if you scroll over to when the game is, it'll have the game listed. Channels go off air in the middle of the night"

Seriously? She thought I was looking up the game at 3am and wondering why I couldn't see it. :ranting:


And still right now it's showing Off Air for the HD broadcast and showing the game in SD as of right now. Did FSDetroit decide not to show the game or is this just the beginning of FS and Dish ****ing with me?

I also have the game on standard def, and "off air" for the high def channels.

In several days from now I'll be watching games via DirecTV.

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Posted 08 October 2010 - 02:39 PM

People in Michigan with dish will not get the game tonight even if we have center ice. Period.

Am I not right?

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Posted 08 October 2010 - 02:42 PM

I was trying to find "Game Notes" and it looks like they've discontinued it. However, I did find this at the Red Wings site at nhl dot calm; I don't know if it can help in answering any questions.

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Posted 08 October 2010 - 03:13 PM

People in Michigan with dish will not get the game tonight even if we have center ice. Period.

Am I not right?


Honestly. I have no friggin idea. Been all over trying to get an answer since the original CI carriage is b/t NHL and inDemand with Dish just acting as the rebroadcaster. No one wants to answer this (Dish notwithstanding - they'll give you a yes and a no depending on which Punjab native speaking person answers the call). I've tried NHL, NHLLive, LeBrun (thx for nuttin mate), every friggin Dish forum that exists, and I even tweeted the Pope (well, I was going to.....).

Bottom line is that no one is saying if the dispute affects the CI carriage. The interesting thing is tho that Dish has all the non-Fox RSNs in the open AND their 'Find Game' page shows Prime (CH 411 I think) in the open w/o the game being marked as a Blackout. So if its not on CI, try PRIME I guess. I'm heading out to the FOX GRILL (ironic eh?) if its not on CI (I'm out of DET market BTW).

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Posted 08 October 2010 - 08:08 PM

IIRC - all 3 teams based in California air most of their games via FOX which more or less means they too will have this issue that we Red Wing fans have.

Once again I'm surprised there's really no attention to this outside of us DISH Network subscribers...IMHO this has the potential to be alot worse than the DirecTV/VS issue of last season.

I don't have Dish so I haven't paid much attention to the amount of disdain over this, but it would not shock me if it is much bigger of a deal than you might think.

It may not be the most popular sport in here for most people, but it is also going to strike out in the immediate future a lot of college football games and a lot of NBA games for local markets, and from an overall geographic perspective in this country, football and basketball are more popular than hockey.

I remember reading an article about Georgia's college football game at Colorado last weekend being blacked out. It would also effect a lot of Big 12 schools who use Fox for broadcasts (Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, etc.), Pac-10 schools I think as well (USC, UCLA, Arizona, etc.) and a large handful of other schools/universities.

The same will go for NBA teams and their diehard fans (Dallas Mavericks and Houston Rockets/Fox Sports Southwest, Oklahoma City Thunder/FS Oklahoma, LA Lakers and their FS partner, Detroit Pistons/FS Detroit, and a good bit more I believe).

DirecTV may have more subscribers than Dish, but I honestly think across the board this could affect a lot more people because it is going to involved multiple sports (football, basketball, hockey).

The Versus deal, as annoying as it was also, affected a limited scope in hockey games, as well as some college football games (Mountain West Conference, Pac-10, Big 12). And the Pac 10 and Big 12 broadcasts were often the 2nd/3rd/4th choices of popular games in the conferences I believe.

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Posted 09 October 2010 - 08:15 AM

I live in the Grand Rapids area, had FSD until this. Yesterday I get this in the mail. Granted it says "games subject to local blackout". But why send it to me then if I use to get FSD and can't watch the Wings due to blackout?

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Posted 09 October 2010 - 10:31 AM

I got that too and had a few choice words for them, even though they didn't hear it. I need to call them and complain, because online I tried and all I got were 3 free PPV movies, like I care about that.

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Posted 09 October 2010 - 10:32 AM

Here's the answer, the CenterIce free preview of the Blackhawks game is blacked out as is the NHLN feed. You won't be able to see the Wings on CenterIce.

Looks like I will be cancelling my Dish and finding another service.

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Posted 09 October 2010 - 10:36 AM

Not that it helps all of you in-market, but Dish has the FSN feeds on CI. The kicker is that the CI feed from inDemand only transmits SD feeds and the providers have the option of using their own HD feed of the specific RSN. Well, since Dish currently has NO HD feeds from any FSN, they're stuck using the SD feed. Which makes my new 60" plasma go flaccid.

I'll give them 5 more days since NHLN and VS have the next games in HD, then I'm off to Directv.

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Posted 09 October 2010 - 02:13 PM

DISH blows. Can't wait til my contract expires. They did give me $20 credit per month for 3 months, then $10 credit for then next 9 months. If FOX comes back soon, I'm golden. If not, I may pay the extra $$ to cancel.





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