Wings need a goalie

[Guest CaliWingsNut]

Uhh actually he was pretty damn good against Chicago to start the season off. Or did you forget about that game?

Letting in 2 goals w/ 28 shots is not "pretty damn good". It's ok.

Letting in 4 goals w/ 9 shots is laughable.

Let me explain further why I've come to this position.

Osgood's done a lot for this team. Even looked pretty good in the 2008-09 post-season. However, I don't believe he has shown the ability to continue to compete at the NHL since then. He has consistently given poor performances. His last shutout was last November.

Since someone decided to bring these other first string goaltenders (to compare to Osgood) into the discussion, lets look at numbers from last year.

Miller: 2.22 GAA .929 SV%

Brodeur: 2.24 GAA .916 SV%

Luongo: 2.57 GAA .913 SV%

MAF : 2.65 GAA .905 SV%

Osgood: 3.02 GAA .888 SV%

I had hoped he would come out with a few very strong beginning games. It would have greatly helped my opinion of his ability. He could have been correct in his statements of it just being a bad year. However, he hasn't come out with strong games. He's been mediocre at best. At this point I no longer have any trust in his ability in goal. I cringe at almost any shot on goal. I would much rather see someone else as our secondary. Especially when one considers that it's Jimmy's second year, and we might have to rely on our backup should Jimmy stumble.

[CrimsonFlame 424]

Letting in 2 goals w/ 28 shots is not "pretty damn good". It's ok.

Letting in 4 goals w/ 9 shots is laughable.

Let me explain further why I've come to this position.

Osgood's done a lot for this team. Even looked pretty good in the 2008-09 post-season. However, I don't believe he has shown the ability to continue to compete at the NHL since then. He has consistently given poor performances. His last shutout was last November.

Since someone decided to bring these other first string goaltenders (to compare to Osgood) into the discussion, lets look at numbers from last year.

Miller: 2.22 GAA .929 SV%

Brodeur: 2.24 GAA .916 SV%

Luongo: 2.57 GAA .913 SV%

MAF : 2.65 GAA .905 SV%

Osgood: 3.02 GAA .888 SV%

I had hoped he would come out with a few very strong beginning games. It would have greatly helped my opinion of his ability. He could have been correct in his statements of it just being a bad year. However, he hasn't come out with strong games. He's been mediocre at best. At this point I no longer have any trust in his ability in goal. I cringe at almost any shot on goal. I would much rather see someone else as our secondary. Especially when one considers that it's Jimmy's second year, and we might have to rely on our backup should Jimmy stumble.

Just looking at two numbers doesn't tell the whole story. Chicago still has some pretty damn good offense, and Osgood made some great saves during that game. You can't just look at numbers. Hockey, and all sports, don't work that way. You need to take a look at the game as a whole.

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

Vokoun is a UFA at the end of the season, when Lidstrom may also retire.

Just sayin...

[germanwing 154]

Letting in 2 goals w/ 28 shots is not "pretty damn good". It's ok.

Letting in 4 goals w/ 9 shots is laughable.

Let me explain further why I've come to this position.

Osgood's done a lot for this team. Even looked pretty good in the 2008-09 post-season. However, I don't believe he has shown the ability to continue to compete at the NHL since then. He has consistently given poor performances. His last shutout was last November.

Since someone decided to bring these other first string goaltenders (to compare to Osgood) into the discussion, lets look at numbers from last year.

Miller: 2.22 GAA .929 SV%

Brodeur: 2.24 GAA .916 SV%

Luongo: 2.57 GAA .913 SV%

MAF : 2.65 GAA .905 SV%

Osgood: 3.02 GAA .888 SV%

I had hoped he would come out with a few very strong beginning games. It would have greatly helped my opinion of his ability. He could have been correct in his statements of it just being a bad year. However, he hasn't come out with strong games. He's been mediocre at best. At this point I no longer have any trust in his ability in goal. I cringe at almost any shot on goal. I would much rather see someone else as our secondary. Especially when one considers that it's Jimmy's second year, and we might have to rely on our backup should Jimmy stumble.

Poor defense!!!

But i approve your opinion!

Oz´s performance declined the last 2 years. But he´s still a good Back-Up! And i hope he can show his skills again this year!

[10 Minute Misconduct 104]

Can't wait til OsBad and Draper get off the books, things will be looking up!

Poor defense!!!

But i approve your opinion!

Oz´s performance declined the last 2 years. But he´s still a good Back-Up! And i hope he can show his skills again this year!

If Osgood was making 700k i don't think many people would have a problem, because he is OK as a back up. There's still better ones out there however.

[gcom007 1,465]

Neither of our goalies inspire great confidence in me, frankly. Doesn't mean I don't like them. I just mean this I would never expect either to win a game for the Wings or do anything extraordinary out there.

But they are who we have. If the rest of the team wakes up and realizes they need to play the way they must in order to win, we'll be fine. Blocks shots, don't screen the goalie, don't deflect pucks in, clear the crease, don't allow shooters to walk right in on either goalie, it's going to go in. Just...show up.

I don't think Ozzie or Jimmy can play any better than they do right now. JMO.

Your buddy Hasek was notorious for having slow starts to the season. He always used to end up fine by the end. I'll worry about this down the stretch. I think both of our goalies are more than capable individually to get the job done. Osgood's proven it throughout his career and while Howard's still got some things to learn and prove, he's got a lot of skill and potential to become a solid NHL starter for a long time.

Our goalies fall victim to defensive sabotage far too often. That is what worries me year after year since our last Cup. They're too talented to play as sloppy as they do far too often. We have a balanced team. We don't have the biggest name goalies that you can hope will carry you when everyone else lets you down. That model works fine and we've proven that again and again. But the defense has to hold up their end of the bargain which they too often haven't. The all time elites wouldn't be fairng much better in many of the games the last few years with our defense playing as poorly as they have.

Again, I think both goalies are capable of getting the job done. McCrimmon? He's given no reason for us to believe he has control of the defense at any point since he's taken over. That's what really worries me.

[GoWings1905 2,694]

Can't wait til OsBad and Draper get off the books, things will be looking up!

If Osgood was making 700k i don't think many people would have a problem, because he is OK as a back up. There's still better ones out there however.

That comment doesn't even make sense. If those two are having a major effect on the Red Wings success to begin with, then this team is already in a ton of trouble. You are saying a back-up goalie and possible 4th liner being gone is going to open up a realm of great things?

The OsBad thing is just stupid. I don't think a goalie about to hit 400 career wins is "bad". Interesting perspective though.

[Electrophile 3,554]

People call Osgood "OsBad" because they think they're being witty and clever when they're really being infantile and ridiculous.

[Doc Holliday 1,888]

People call Osgood "OsBad" because they think they're being witty and clever when they're really being infantile and ridiculous.

It will be interesting to see what clever names they will try to come up with when Osgood retires.

Howbad? Mccollusucks? Larssucks?

[markaswell 9]

Howard was pretty damn good last night. I like the way he's looked this season so far, except for parts of the colorado game.

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

People call Osgood "OsBad" because they think they're being witty and clever when they're really being infantile and ridiculous.

Using that name should be a suspendable offense. Not because it's wrong to criticize Osgood, but just because it's so obvious and stupid. Even when bashing players, LGW sets the bar higher than that.

[SDavis35 140]

It will be interesting to see what clever names they will try to come up with when Osgood retires.

Howbad? Mccollusucks? Larssucks?

Howturd, McCollander... but I like Larssucks... hmm that wasn't hard at all?

[Jericho613 74]

Wings don't need a new goalie, we just have to get our defense healthy.

Edited October 17, 2010 by Jericho613

[VM1138 1,921]

Wings don't need a new goalie, we just have to get our defense healthy.

We need a new defensive coach to remind these players they are some of the best defensemen in the game and they need to play like it.

[Guest mjtm77]

Letting in 2 goals w/ 28 shots is not "pretty damn good". It's ok.

Letting in 4 goals w/ 9 shots is laughable.

Let me explain further why I've come to this position.

Osgood's done a lot for this team. Even looked pretty good in the 2008-09 post-season. However, I don't believe he has shown the ability to continue to compete at the NHL since then. He has consistently given poor performances. His last shutout was last November.

Since someone decided to bring these other first string goaltenders (to compare to Osgood) into the discussion, lets look at numbers from last year.

Miller: 2.22 GAA .929 SV%

Brodeur: 2.24 GAA .916 SV%

Luongo: 2.57 GAA .913 SV%

MAF : 2.65 GAA .905 SV%

Osgood: 3.02 GAA .888 SV%

I had hoped he would come out with a few very strong beginning games. It would have greatly helped my opinion of his ability. He could have been correct in his statements of it just being a bad year. However, he hasn't come out with strong games. He's been mediocre at best. At this point I no longer have any trust in his ability in goal. I cringe at almost any shot on goal. I would much rather see someone else as our secondary. Especially when one considers that it's Jimmy's second year, and we might have to rely on our backup should Jimmy stumble.

[Guest mindfly]

I think I would want say a Ryan Miller instead of a rafalski to be honest, the goals, puck-moving ability and pp points etc will get compensated with stellar goaltending and lower GAA...Wings haven't really had a supreme goaltender in the modern era, so would be cool to atleast see it happen atleast once in my lifetime...

Edited October 17, 2010 by mindfly

[Hockeytown_Ryan 119]

No what he was saying was stupid. hes comparing last year's Vezina trophy winner to Osgood who has been s*** all of last season and is starting this season no differently.

No one here is saying Osgood can't get wins, which is what he was cracking a joke at, we're saying he can hardly stop a puck anymore which is true.

Sometimes Doc you need to pull off your Homer glasses and realize not everyone on the wings is a great player, I know thats tough for you to do but give it a try sometime

Whoa Whoa Whoa..... What the hell does LAST SEASON have to do with this one.... last season is on the books HISTORY!!!!! so move on to this year, because RIGHT NOW is all that matters....

They are trying to fix NOW!!!! not last year!

That was my point

[brett 1,029]

osgood should only play in back to back game or it howard is having a rough stretch. howard will get the job done

[miller76 463]

note to op

[Booster313 138]

I think I would want say a Ryan Miller instead of a rafalski to be honest, the goals, puck-moving ability and pp points etc will get compensated with stellar goaltending and lower GAA...Wings haven't really had a supreme goaltender in the modern era, so would be cool to atleast see it happen atleast once in my lifetime...

Ahh Hasek 2002 and 2007, both great years from one of the greatest of all-time.

note to op

LMAO

Well played sir, well played.

Edited October 18, 2010 by Booster313

[Vladifan 680]

Can't wait til OsBad and Draper get off the books, things will be looking up!

If Osgood was making 700k i don't think many people would have a problem, because he is OK as a back up. There's still better ones out there however.

You really need to patent that "Osbad" thing. That was like, perfectly timed. You know, before somebody else grabs it for all its originality, creativity, intelligence and perspective. And wisdom. And vision. And pure, unadulterated sense of Fandom. You go, dude.

[Hockeytown0001 7,652]

Wings need a new goalie like I need a new girlfriend problem.

[Guest Shoreline]

Ahh Hasek 2002 and 2007, both great years from one of the greatest of all-time.

Mindfly wouldn't know who Hasek is. He started being a fan in June 2008-- I mean 1647.

[Guest Crymson]

Ahh Hasek 2002 and 2007, both great years from one of the greatest of all-time.

Osgood was excellent in 2008, too, and he was very cheap. Why pay 6m for Luongo when a $1.5m goalie can do just as well?

[Broken 16 381]

We have some of the most spoiled, entitled, bitter fans on the planet. If we don't win 10-0 every night, everyone sucks or is too old/should be traded. It doesn't matter whose fault it actually was, if it was one player having a s*** night while everyone else was doing their best to overcome it or if it was the whole team crapping the bed.

This is every. damn. season. It's relentless. We've played four games. FOUR. F-O-U-R. 1-2-3-4. Une, deux, trois, quatre. Uno, dos, tres, quatro.

So don't open the thread.

I'm not exactly tickled to have Osgood in net either but he is the best option available and even if he just imparts his 'super kicked back, let nothing bother you too much' attitude into Howard, he'll be worth the contract imo. A few stolen games wouldn't hurt either.

Edited October 18, 2010 by Broken 16