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#101 Motown4013

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Posted 24 October 2010 - 09:03 PM

Move Flip down to the third line as hes the better playmaker, and will help Modano and Clearly score, and he is more defensively responsible, move Hudler to the second line, where he will benefit from Bert and Mule's size.

Please tell me you are joking. Flip is basically a point a game guy right now. That line, for the first five games was the best line on the team. Lets split them up and put Flip out with two other guys that have 3 points. This is an excellent idea.
In other news, Zetterberg will be playing on the 4th line and Salei will play forward the top line on Thursday with Pavel.
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#102 Broken 16

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Posted 24 October 2010 - 10:13 PM

They don't need to split them up. Just give them 4th line minutes till they can sort it out.

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Posted 24 October 2010 - 10:19 PM

They don't need to split them up. Just give them 4th line minutes till they can sort it out.


You mean give the Modano line the 4th line matchup? That's not a bad idea. They'll get those minutes and the power play time for Modano and Hudler along with the penalty kill time for Cleary if I'm not mistaken.

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Posted 24 October 2010 - 10:31 PM

You mean give the Modano line the 4th line matchup? That's not a bad idea. They'll get those minutes and the power play time for Modano and Hudler along with the penalty kill time for Cleary if I'm not mistaken.



Right. Plus I'm sure Babcock could easily ration out the minutes so that he's still getting some of the match ups he wants, just tilt them a little so that our current 4th line is getting more minutes. That'll piss em off. :)

Edited by Broken 16, 24 October 2010 - 10:32 PM.


#105 daniel1

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Posted 24 October 2010 - 10:42 PM

It's hard because Hudler can't play on the 4th line because he is slow and small, but he isn't doing anything on the 3rd line offensively. I would put Abdelkadar with Modano and Cleary. At least Abdelkadar can battle for pucks without getting pushed around, and he has offense as well. But then what would you do with Hudler?


Scratch him. Trade him. Loan him back to the KHL... who cares as long as we get the cap relief and have a spot to bring in a Mursak or someone who will COMPETE and do something out there.
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Posted 24 October 2010 - 10:52 PM

Some decent extensive analysis of the goals against in which the third line unfortunately had to witness so far this season:

www.wingingitinmotown.com

1st Period 16:56 - Colorado Goal: David Jones (wrist shot) from John-Michael Liles and Mark Olver
Modano gets cute on Colorado's blue line instead of making the simple play to get it deep and forecheck, leading to a turnover that has Colorado going the other way. He almost makes up for it with a good bit of backchecking, but slaps the puck off Mark Olver's stick and onto John-Michael Liles', who finds David Jones without Jakub Kindl covering him closely enough. Jones walks it low, gets a shot off, gets his own rebound, and pushes it home. Modano gets an extra minus and Kindl a half-minus for failing to do their jobs. As a side note, if I were doing CSSI for Colorado, I'd take the assist away from Mark Olver.

2nd Period 19:11 - Colorado Goal: Ryan O'Reilly (slap shot) from David Jones
After a shift in which Detroit's third line kept Colorado pinned in their own zone for 40 seconds, to the tune of three quality scoring chances, Jiri Hudler and Jakub Kindl have a miscommunication on the blue line. Ryan O'Reilly punches the puck off Hudler's stick and heads the other way, skating to the top of the faceoff circle and unleashing a slap shot that beats Jimmy Howard above his pad next to his left hip on the far side. Kindl and Hudler keep their minuses, Modano, Cleary, and Salei do not.

3rd Period 11:24 - Colorado Goal: David Jones (backhand) from Brandon Yip and Matt Duchene
Duchene carries the puck out of his own end up ice where he dishes off to Brandon Yip inside Detroit's blue line. Yip finds Jones in the high slot, where he receives the puck and turns for a backhanded shot that gets through Howard's five hole. The only Red Wings player who catches a break on this play is Kronwall, who has his minus erased. Modano had opportunity to attack Yip better and defend the pass to Jones, Janik needs to step up on Jones much sooner and keep him from getting that shot off, Howard needs to stop the shot, and Hudler/Cleary could have prevented the entire rush had the two of them not lost a battle on the boards behind Peter Budaj.

1st Period 15:24 - Calgary Goal: Mikael Backlund (snap shot) from Curtis Glencross and Cory Sarich
The play starts in the neutral zone, where Cleary tries a dump in that's intercepted at the half-boards. The Flames wheel the puck to Sarich who moves back through center ice with speed before dumping a puck weakly in on Howard, who deflects it to the corner (like he should). Sarich picks up his own rebound, takes it behind the red line and dishes over to Glencross, who finds Backlund sneaking between coverages for a put-home from the slot. Kindl, Modano, Salei, and Cleary all blew their coverages on this play, but Hudler did not. He made the right play pinching Sarich at the blue line to force the dump in. Hudler does not get a minus.

1st Period 18:10 - Calgary Goal: Mikael Backlund (backhand) from Brendan Morrison and Curtis Glencross
Again, Cleary fails to get a puck deep past the Calgary defense and the turnover brings the puck the other way. Glencross gets the puck at center and dumps it into the zone while being pressured by Kronwall. Morrison gets on Hudler trying to clear, who tries to dump it up ice, but hits Kronwall coming back into the zone. Glencross and Backlund pressure Kronwall and relieve him of the puck. Morrison receives the puck and circles to the half-boards while Glencross goes in front to screen and Backlund steps into the slot. Morrison releases a slap shot that is blocked by Kronwall in the faceoff circle. The puck ends up behind Kronwall, where Backlund picks it up and scoops a quick backhander past Jimmy Howard. Janik receives only a half-minus for being the only Wings defender consistently in position. He's not completely absolved because he doesn't stop the shot from getting through, but he was outmanned low because of the sloppy play by the backchecking forwards.

2nd Period 6:34 - Anaheim Goal: Ryan Carter (wrist shot) from Todd Marchant and Lubomir Visnovsky
The Ducks dump the puck weakly into the Detroit zone where it sits on the boards about ten feet in from the blue line. Kindl loses a race to slap the puck back out and Modano gets only a weak attempt at a backhand scoop on it that Bobby Ryan intercepts and takes lower into the zone. Salei cuts off Ryan's path to the net, forcing him to cycle around and get it back to the point. Sheldon Brookbank receives the puck and sends it across ice to Visnovsky at the other point, who shoots it on net. The puck hits Ryan Carter's skate out front as he's tied up with Kindl. Todd Marchant sweeps in and releases a backhand at Jimmy Howard that deflects off his pad out front, where Carter collects it and puts it into the open net. Hudler and Cleary were doing their jobs on this play, both backchecking and attacking their points. Cleary could have done better to be in the shooting lane, but the speed at which that play developed mitigates that. Neither Cleary nor Hudler receive a minus. Salei receives an extra minus for his failure to either clear the rebound or tie up Carter. Howard is going to give rebounds like that, especially after scrambling to stop a slap shot from the point that gets blocked. He did well to get back into position to stop the Marchant shot.

3rd Period 8:32 - Anaheim Goal: Teemu Selanne (snap shot) unassisted
The Wings third line cycles the puck low pretty well at the outset of this play. Hudler finds Modano in the right faceoff circle for a shot that gets blocked. As three Ducks converge on Modano and the puck, Cleary takes it and skates to the boards. Here, Cleary has the choice to dump the puck deep and start the cycle again or to try to pass to Kronwall to create space. He tries passing to Kronwall but the puck is intercepted by Selanne, who pokes the puck to center ice and goes off to the races the other way. Kronwall is caught flat-footed at the Ducks' blue line and cannot make up the step he's already lost on the Finnish Flash. Teemu waits for Howard to commit to covering his post before sliding the puck through his five-hole. This was a weak goal for Howard to have given up, but Cleary, Kronwall, and Janik, each keep the minus they earned on this play. Hudler and Modano have their minuses erased. Janik keeps his minus because as that pairing's resident stay-at-home defenseman, he played too aggressively. He likely would not have been able to stop Selanne on his rush, but he was not in good position.



#107 13dangledangle

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Posted 24 October 2010 - 10:53 PM

Please tell me you are joking. Flip is basically a point a game guy right now. That line, for the first five games was the best line on the team. Lets split them up and put Flip out with two other guys that have 3 points. This is an excellent idea.
In other news, Zetterberg will be playing on the 4th line and Salei will play forward the top line on Thursday with Pavel.


What's funny is if he was chose for that role let the Flip bashing begin...
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