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#81 Carman

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Posted 26 October 2010 - 01:29 PM

They are protecting the athletes.... I dont think there is anything wrong with that... This is a sport to watch for skill and competition. there are no stat categories in either sport for how many guys you knocked out of the game. How would YOU suggest they stop head hits then?


Players should keep their heads up?

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Posted 26 October 2010 - 01:29 PM

yes he was...watch his head!

put yourself ON THE ICE where the REF is and tell me you don't make the same call. penalties are not reviewable.

(On the ice is where I stated that the call was good by the way)

Read the rule .. then watch the hit. The call onthe Ice was based on how the rule is Interpreted. just because he got back up does not mean he was not hit in the head. the point of contact, lateral movement, Just like the announcers said in the 1st post video.

all the criteria were met for that call to be made.

his head snaps back independent of the contact
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Posted 26 October 2010 - 01:36 PM

According to the new rules, it's a blindside hit. Shoulder to neck/head. Glad the title of this thread isn't bias ;)
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Posted 26 October 2010 - 01:38 PM

Players should keep their heads up?

i think most people who argue against keeping your head up have never played the game, if you so much as simply have your head up at all times you will get hit 90% less or even more than that, personally when i played I went after guys whether they were looking at me with their head up or not, but if a guy was paying attention 90% of the time I ended up with an elbow or a missed hit

According to the new rules, it's a blindside hit. Shoulder to shoulder. Glad the title of this thread isn't bias ;)

fixed it for ya
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Posted 26 October 2010 - 01:46 PM

i think most people who argue against keeping your head up have never played the game, if you so much as simply have your head up at all times you will get hit 90% less or even more than that, personally when i played I went after guys whether they were looking at me with their head up or not, but if a guy was paying attention 90% of the time I ended up with an elbow or a missed hit


Yep I agree, it's too fast of a game to try and rule out shoulder to head hits without really hurting open ice hits in the long run. Players just aren't going to take those chances in the open ice because it's almost impossible to insure you do not contact the head at all.

I thought the rule was that the principle point of contact could not be the head, and in the Dustin Brown hit it wasn't yet he stills get the game. It's really going to hurt the number of open ice hits in the future, and I really dislike it.

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Posted 26 October 2010 - 01:53 PM

fixed it for ya

No, I'm sticking to my guns on this one. Shoulder to neck/head.

I liked the hit, but it was blindside in the new NHL.
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Posted 26 October 2010 - 01:58 PM

Yep I agree, it's too fast of a game to try and rule out shoulder to head hits without really hurting open ice hits in the long run. Players just aren't going to take those chances in the open ice because it's almost impossible to insure you do not contact the head at all.

I thought the rule was that the principle point of contact could not be the head, and in the Dustin Brown hit it wasn't yet he stills get the game. It's really going to hurt the number of open ice hits in the future, and I really dislike it.


in theory no... "the head is targeted" is the way the rule is written

RULE 48:

(edit) and Brown curling his arm up well before the hit does not help his cause..

Edited by Hockeytown_Ryan, 26 October 2010 - 02:00 PM.


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Posted 26 October 2010 - 02:03 PM

in theory no... "the head is targeted" is the way the rule is written

RULE 48:

(edit) and Brown curling his arm up well before the hit does not help his cause..


Exactly I said "I thought".

I know that the rule is a horrible now, thanks though.

Ruining the NHL, one step at a time.

Edited by Carman, 26 October 2010 - 02:04 PM.


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Posted 26 October 2010 - 02:04 PM

Booools***. Shoulder to shoulder. Plus Brown's stick is clearly in Antii's view before the hit so I would even argue "blind" side hit. He knew it was coming. This crap is getting ridiculous.

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Posted 26 October 2010 - 02:06 PM

Exactly I said "I thought".

I know that the rule is a horrible, thanks thought.

Ruining the NHL, one step at a time.

Easy... I was just helping clarify.

In My Opinion....the way the rules are written and the way they are interpreted by fans and refs alike is what the issue is here.
by reading the rule and seeing the hit..that call HAS to be made. it is in the books.

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Posted 26 October 2010 - 02:29 PM

in theory no... "the head is targeted" is the way the rule is written

RULE 48:

(edit) and Brown curling his arm up well before the hit does not help his cause..

brown aimed for shoulder and hit shoulder, how is that targeting the head and how do you know he was targeting it, that should be removed from the rule, it is far too ambiguous.
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Posted 26 October 2010 - 02:39 PM

brown aimed for shoulder and hit shoulder, how is that targeting the head and how do you know he was targeting it, that should be removed from the rule, it is far too ambiguous.


Are you joking...? was he going for his RIGHT shoulder????? he had a whole side of his body to lay a shoulder to shoulder hit on him did not have to go in front to hit shoulder to shoulder... and why go shoulder to shoulder if you are coming in from the side..... why not go hands to to shoulder..... his head was targeted..the only reason his hands went past the shoulder of the guy he was hitting.

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Posted 26 October 2010 - 02:41 PM

Total BS call. If this is what we can expect from the NHL them I won't be watching for much longer!

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Posted 26 October 2010 - 02:55 PM

Easy... I was just helping clarify.

In My Opinion....the way the rules are written and the way they are interpreted by fans and refs alike is what the issue is here.
by reading the rule and seeing the hit..that call HAS to be made. it is in the books.




Ok so why wasn't the sucker elbow to Salei's snout called? That was more blatant to the head that what Brown did. Or how about the hit from behind to Pavel's head shortly after that after he took a shot? Or the number of other hits to the head we have seen so far this young season in other games? Come on, if they want to call charging or hitting from behind, ok, the argument can be made, but he didn't intentionally go for the head, if he did he would have hit him there with no trouble, the guy was in no position to avoid that. MY point is, if you're going to call one, you have to call them all, picking and choosing when to enforce things are what piss me off. The rules seem to be enforced entirely too arbitrarily to me.


And to add to that, the next time someone gets Kronwalled, should we be ok that he is gone just because the victim doesn't see him coming because he isn't looking at whats coming like he has been taught since he started skating?

Edited by plopster, 26 October 2010 - 03:10 PM.

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Posted 26 October 2010 - 03:28 PM

Ok so why wasn't the sucker elbow to Salei's snout called? That was more blatant to the head that what Brown did. Or how about the hit from behind to Pavel's head shortly after that after he took a shot? Or the number of other hits to the head we have seen so far this young season in other games? Come on, if they want to call charging or hitting from behind, ok, the argument can be made, but he didn't intentionally go for the head, if he did he would have hit him there with no trouble, the guy was in no position to avoid that. MY point is, if you're going to call one, you have to call them all, picking and choosing when to enforce things are what piss me off. The rules seem to be enforced entirely too arbitrarily to me.



Honestly I agree with you on that point...BUT! the fact is that the Refs are Human not machines. there is no Ctrl-Alt-Del for a ref. there is no mouse click for a penalty. thats where the problem is Its a different ref that your pissed at for not calling some and calling others. uniformity for the NHL Refs is where the problem is.

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Posted 26 October 2010 - 03:36 PM

Are you joking...? was he going for his RIGHT shoulder????? he had a whole side of his body to lay a shoulder to shoulder hit on him did not have to go in front to hit shoulder to shoulder... and why go shoulder to shoulder if you are coming in from the side..... why not go hands to to shoulder..... his head was targeted..the only reason his hands went past the shoulder of the guy he was hitting.

he didn't go past the shoulder, are you even watching the video?, he hits miettinen right on the numbers of his sleeve
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Posted 26 October 2010 - 03:40 PM

he didn't go past the shoulder, are you even watching the video?, he hits miettinen right on the numbers of his sleeve


clean your glasses... how is that possible when he was on a follow through from a shot? and from behind Brown is in front of him?

the game cannot be played YOUR way.. or MY way and it cannot be called YOUR way or MY way. Either your a fan of it or you like to ***** about it..... I guess we know which of the 2 you are.
(EDIT) those who don't like/get the call that was made...watched it too many times. and watched the replay....the only thing that a ref cannot do during a game and have like 1/2 second to decide. on the ice...they made the right call.

Edited by Hockeytown_Ryan, 26 October 2010 - 04:21 PM.


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Posted 26 October 2010 - 07:26 PM

clean your glasses... how is that possible when he was on a follow through from a shot? and from behind Brown is in front of him?

the game cannot be played YOUR way.. or MY way and it cannot be called YOUR way or MY way. Either your a fan of it or you like to ***** about it..... I guess we know which of the 2 you are.
(EDIT) those who don't like/get the call that was made...watched it too many times. and watched the replay....the only thing that a ref cannot do during a game and have like 1/2 second to decide. on the ice...they made the right call.

The NHL ruled it a shoulder on shoulder hit today, so be it.
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Posted 26 October 2010 - 08:42 PM

WRONG SIR!..

That call was a call that should of been made... Was there contact to the head? YES! the rule is this Illegal Check to the Head A lateral or blind side hit to an opponent where the head is targeted and/or the principle point of contact is not permitted. and there is only one penalty for the infraction. 5 min major and automatic game misconduct.

the Ref made the call as he saw it... Good Call Ref :thumbup:.

The Kings got shafted because their Captain went and put a Illegal Check to the Head on a player who could not see it coming. HE shafted his own team.

It does meet either of the criteria of the rule.

The head was not targeted and the head was not the principle point of contact. That's different than there being contact to the head.

At least the league got it right even if the ref didn't.

Wrong call ref! :thumbdown:

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Posted 27 October 2010 - 07:18 AM

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