Konnan511 1,736 Report post Posted December 8, 2010 Forwards who will likely not be returning: Mike Modano, $1.75m Kris Draper, $1.583m TOTAL: 3.338m for 2 forwards Forwards who will likely be retuning: Patrick Eaves, $750k Drew Miller, $650k TOTAL: Defenseman who will likely be returning: Jonathan Ericsson, 900k Goaltender who will likely be returning: Jimmy Howard, $717k Defensemen whose return is questionable: Nicklas Lidstrom, $6.2m Ruslan Salei, $1.1m TOTAL: 7.3m for two defensemen Goaltender whose return is questionable: Chris Osgood, $1.417m So we have a returning cap hit of $44.558m for ten forwards and four defensemen. Figure three forwards, three defensemen, and two goaltenders to be added to that. Eaves and Miller, maybe $1.25m each. There's zero chance that our fourth line next year will have two guys who each make more than 1 mil each. We have guys in the farm that could do a decent job on the fourth line, and would be cheaper. maybe Eaves will be the 1mil or higher guy because he is dynamic on the PK, but there is no way there are two guys. Wings will sign only one of those guys anyways since we have Mursak who will be on the club next year and can easily take over for Miller, while doing a better job, plus Emmerton could fill in for Eaves if he asks for more than 1 mil a season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mmamolo 287 Report post Posted December 8, 2010 There's zero chance that our fourth line next year will have two guys who each make more than 1 mil each. We have guys in the farm that could do a decent job on the fourth line, and would be cheaper. maybe Eaves will be the 1mil or higher guy because he is dynamic on the PK, but there is no way there are two guys. Wings will sign only one of those guys anyways since we have Mursak who will be on the club next year and can easily take over for Miller, while doing a better job, plus Emmerton could fill in for Eaves if he asks for more than 1 mil a season. Plus assuming Howard @ $2.25 is pretty conservative (at the moment anyway) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
titanium2 867 Report post Posted December 8, 2010 http://www.mlive.com/redwings/index.ssf/2010/12/red_wings_patience_with_jiri_h.html Ansar Kahn is starting to get as frustrated as many LGW faithful. I'm starting to wonder when Hudler will com around. He is playing like he is still on the gigantic rink where he gets the ice he needs to make plays and not like on an NHL rink where he needs to FIGHT FOR the ice you need to make plays. 2 years ago he did everything he needed to overcome his size and became a huge force. Last year in the KHL was a huge step back and it looks like he forgot how to work as hard he worked in the NHL 2 years ago. Damn.... When was the last time Ansar Khan called out somebody like that? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
under_par_00 45 Report post Posted December 8, 2010 No. That only happens if he is picked up on re-entry waivers. In any event, I don't think Hudler will care if he gets waived. He's getting paid regardless. So if he were to go down to GR, then get re-called, he would have to pass through re-entry waivers, and can get picked up? That is still not good. Maybe he could go on a conditioning stint like Kindl. If Draper were to replace Hudler in the lineup for a month. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Konnan511 1,736 Report post Posted December 8, 2010 So if he were to go down to GR, then get re-called, he would have to pass through re-entry waivers, and can get picked up? That is still not good. Maybe he could go on a conditioning stint like Kindl. If Draper were to replace Hudler in the lineup for a month. That's assuming he passes waivers on the way down. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sleepwalker 512 Report post Posted December 8, 2010 I don't think Hudler will care if he gets waived. He's getting paid regardless. True. Hes the kind of player that is only in it for the money. He proved that to us last season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimeBinder 28 Report post Posted December 9, 2010 It's painful watching him play; watching him repeatedly turn over the puck, hanging out in the fringes of play, showing no heart. Does have brief flashes on the powerplay but that is it. He regressed back to his first season with Babcock - Russia made him lazy. Get some value for him if possible Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
South Dakota wings fan 7 Report post Posted December 9, 2010 Plus assuming Howard @ $2.25 is pretty conservative (at the moment anyway) Totally agree. I kinda hijacked the Hudler thread with my salary cap rant, but I had thought it would be near impossible to keep Hudler on the roster next year if at his price if he is not performing. A lot of whether or not he stays may depend on how much $$ Howard's salary cap is on is next deal. Let's not forget Howie is UFA and not RFA, so he will have more leverage if he wanted to test the open market. I think we are in for a surprise at how much he and Big E get this offseason. Remember how surprised most were when they saw Filppula's cap hit, which was based on potential. Same could happen with E if they want to try to lock him up for a solid term. D corps is bare after 2012. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eva unit zero 271 Report post Posted December 9, 2010 Totally agree. I kinda hijacked the Hudler thread with my salary cap rant, but I had thought it would be near impossible to keep Hudler on the roster next year if at his price if he is not performing. A lot of whether or not he stays may depend on how much $ Howard's salary cap is on is next deal. Let's not forget Howie is UFA and not RFA, so he will have more leverage if he wanted to test the open market. I think we are in for a surprise at how much he and Big E get this offseason. Remember how surprised most were when they saw Filppula's cap hit, which was based on potential. Same could happen with E if they want to try to lock him up for a solid term. D corps is bare after 2012. Not true, our top four, so far, is shaping up like: Kindl/Lashoff Fournier/Smith Hmm.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thedisappearer 291 Report post Posted December 9, 2010 Not true, our top four, so far, is shaping up like: Kindl/Lashoff Fournier/Smith Hmm…. Yeah, I'm not sold on that, thanks. I'll move Hudler to get a d-man. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aussie_Wing 354 Report post Posted December 9, 2010 Yeah, I'm not sold on that, thanks. I'll move Hudler to get a d-man. Sold on this... Weber - Smith Stuart - Ericsson Kindl - Lashoff Nicastro, Almquist, Pyett, Kolosov, Fournier, ect, ect. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
canadian wings fan 305 Report post Posted December 9, 2010 too bad about huddlecakes you've got to think his time is running real short. I had such high hopes for him coming in, and he's somehow turned out worse than Leino and Williams. jesus eff hudler Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eva unit zero 271 Report post Posted December 9, 2010 Sold on this... Weber - Smith Stuart - Ericsson Kindl - Lashoff Nicastro, Almquist, Pyett, Kolosov, Fournier, ect, ect. As I have said before, if Lidstrom retires at the end of the year, I want Pitkanen. He's two years older than Weber, but he brings more offense while still being very good defensively. Weber is perhaps the better player, but Weber makes more than Pitkanen does now. Both are free agents at the end of the year, but Pitkanen is a UFA and Weber is an RFA. So the Wings would have to give up some hefty assets to pry Weber away from Nashville, while they would simply have to win a bidding war for Pitkanen's services. If the Predators are looking to shed salary, the Wings might be able to pull off a swap that involves Stuart, a prospect, and perhaps a high pick for Weber. This would lock in a solid two-way veteran defenseman for the Predators for next season while reducing the amount of cap hit. That trade would likely require one of Kindl, Smith, or Ericsson to be included. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eva unit zero 271 Report post Posted December 9, 2010 too bad about huddlecakes you've got to think his time is running real short. I had such high hopes for him coming in, and he's somehow turned out worse than Leino and Williams. jesus eff hudler All three players you mentioned are known almost exclusively for their offense. Hudler has scored 6 points in 23 games playing 12:19 per game. Leino scored 7 points in 42 games playing 13:12 per game. Williams scored 15 points in 44 games playing 13:31 per game. Offensively, Hudler has already basically matched Leino, with 19 games to spare. Defensively, Hudler is the only one of the three who has ever made an effort. Your statement fails. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zetts 236 Report post Posted December 9, 2010 All three players you mentioned are known almost exclusively for their offense. Hudler has scored 6 points in 23 games playing 12:19 per game. Leino scored 7 points in 42 games playing 13:12 per game. Williams scored 15 points in 44 games playing 13:31 per game. Offensively, Hudler has already basically matched Leino, with 19 games to spare. Defensively, Hudler is the only one of the three who has ever made an effort. Your statement fails. I think that we can agree that they all suck. (Or in Leino's case, used to suck.) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Crymson Report post Posted December 11, 2010 Hudler tonight: 1) Useless on the power play. 2) Gave up the puck in terrible fashion several times. 3) TURNED BACK ON A BREAKAWAY rather than drive to the net. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HankthaTank 1,100 Report post Posted December 11, 2010 Can't even "watch" Hudler anymore. It's a disgrace. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Stolberg Report post Posted December 11, 2010 at least williams had the common courtesy to get injured last year 1 HankthaTank reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hockeytown0001 7,652 Report post Posted December 11, 2010 Seriously, sit Hudler next game please. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HankthaTank 1,100 Report post Posted December 11, 2010 at least williams had the common courtesy to get injured last year It is so bad to think.... Williams was actually better to have. [reflection period] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brett 1,029 Report post Posted December 11, 2010 yeah hudler back to being s***ty tonight Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HankthaTank 1,100 Report post Posted December 11, 2010 yeah hudler back to being s***ty tonight He hasn't quite turned away from it at any point. Consistency I guess????? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aussie_Wing 354 Report post Posted December 11, 2010 Hudler was pretty good tonight, set up a couple more chances. People are just so set in their ways that they can't see it objectively. He was fine tonight, better than everyone on the 2nd line. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Crymson Report post Posted December 11, 2010 Hudler was pretty good tonight, set up a couple more chances. People are just so set in their ways that they can't see it objectively. He was fine tonight, better than everyone on the 2nd line. That's very arrogant. I think he sucked, and it's very smug of you to tell me that I can't see it objectively and you can. Every one of the few chances that Hudler contributed to were largely made possible by the hard work of Cleary and Abdelkader. Hudler cruised around, gave up the puck, turned back on a breakaway, and occasionally found someone to pass to. He was hideous. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Stolberg Report post Posted December 11, 2010 (edited) Hudler was pretty good tonight, set up a couple more chances. People are just so set in their ways that they can't see it objectively. He was fine tonight, better than everyone on the 2nd line. Edited December 11, 2010 by Stolberg 3 acidroach420, HankthaTank and Detroit \# 1 Fan reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites