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#21 theman19

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Posted 22 November 2010 - 03:46 PM

just like wings fans, yeah?


There is no where near the level of douchbaggery around Raleigh when the canes play the wings.

I'm not talking about pens fans at the rbc center to watch the game.

I'm talking the entire week of the game there are crosby shirts, crosby jerseys, pens hats, hoddies the whole nine yards.

When the wings play the canes, there are wings fans at the arena, but they don't run around the city of Raleigh chanting lets go pens before a game.

To their credit, they have nothing on sabers fans.

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Posted 22 November 2010 - 03:52 PM

To their credit, they have nothing on sabers fans.


There's such a thing as Sabres fans?

of course not but that was hardly the same situation. look at the replay from the overhead camera. you can see that the goalie gets hit by his own player and then moves his legs and then the puck goes over the line. do you honestly think the ref knew where that puck was? he just couldn't see it therefore he blew the whistle. what i have issue with is the uncertainty part. again, remember hossa in '09? the only reason watson (i think) blew the whistle is because he didn't know where the puck was and assumed hiller had it. but from our vantage point you can clearly see even hiller didn't know where the puck was.


I see what you're saying. But this situation is quite a bit different than the Hossa no-goal, from how I see it. The goalie had stopped the puck and had control of it. It was underneath his right pad. He KNEW it was, and was clamping down. Had his own player not crashed into him, the puck wouldn't have gotten loose. The ref saw the puck go into the goalie's pads. That's ALL he needs to see, and that's the end of the play. By the time the puck was in the net, it should not have been a goal. The play was dead when the goalie stopped the puck.

Edited by Shady Ultima, 22 November 2010 - 03:56 PM.


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Posted 22 November 2010 - 03:54 PM

The issue is that in the past there have been these exact situations where the puck has gone in (wasn't under control by goaltender) and yet its called no goal because play was dead due to a whistle (this case) or the "intent to blow the whistle". (Read: Hossa's disallowed tying goal against the Ducks in 2009 playoffs that would have forced OT in final 2 minutes IIRC). That's why even the Pittsburgh announcers were shocked, it was called contrary to the way it has always been done in the past, and that's where the controversy is stemming from.

Now, as an aside, IMHO, the way they called this goal should be the way that it's done. There is such thing as human error so why not use common sense and say that if a goal should be a goal, call it a goal? It's not like everyone stopped playing for that fraction of a second.


exactly

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Posted 22 November 2010 - 04:14 PM

There should be no question on this, whatsoever. The whistle blew before the puck crossed the line. No goal. Simple as that.

Once again, the Pittsburgh bias in this league rears its ugly head.


But I thought the NHL loved the Red Wings. After all, that's the only explanation as to why they're so consistently good. :rolleyes:

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Posted 22 November 2010 - 04:21 PM

I see what you're saying. But this situation is quite a bit different than the Hossa no-goal, from how I see it. The goalie had stopped the puck and had control of it. It was underneath his right pad. He KNEW it was, and was clamping down. Had his own player not crashed into him, the puck wouldn't have gotten loose. The ref saw the puck go into the goalie's pads. That's ALL he needs to see, and that's the end of the play. By the time the puck was in the net, it should not have been a goal. The play was dead when the goalie stopped the puck.


ok, i see your point too and like i said before under the current rules it should definitely not have counted.
but let me ask you this; suppose the play happened exactly the way it did only the ref chose not to blow the whistle and therefore calls it a goal on the ice. do you think that there would be a controversy over it? that is to say, would you have a problem with the ref for not blowing the whistle in that particular situation?

to me it just seemed like a good hockey play

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Posted 22 November 2010 - 04:27 PM

not to beat a dead horse buttttt.....

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Posted 22 November 2010 - 04:34 PM

Somewhere, Brad May is throwing his remote.

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Posted 22 November 2010 - 04:36 PM

Basically, this is the exact opposite of the Brad May situation. In that instance, the puck enters the goal, the whistle blows, and it's ruled no goal. In Pittsburgh, the whistle blew, then the puck entered the goal, and it's ruled good goal. Odd how that works.

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Posted 22 November 2010 - 04:46 PM

I don't see any controversy. The puck wasn't under control by the goaltender, and then it found it's way into the back of the net. That's a goal any day of the week.


What the hell do you people want? Want him to just skate to the bench and never show emotion? The expectations you put on this kid are ridiculous, just sit back and enjoy his skill, he's the greatest player in the generation and I'm at a loss for words why people are losing out on great entertainment because they are jealous we don't have Crosby on our team.

He was telling the ref to review the play, do you think he was telling the ref "HEY IM SIDNEY CROSBY AWARD ME A GOAL AT ONCE" come on now, the ref just said to him something along the lines of "we'll look at it calm down", like any other ref would if the same situation happened to any other team.

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anyway, while I agree he did the right thing pointing out the puck crossing the line, he is NOT the greatest player in the generation. (unless you're talking about his age) Pav and Z own him everytime they play the Pens. Until Crosby becomes the complete player that they are, I will take Pav and Z's 90 points and Selke Award winning numbers everyday, every week, every month of the year over Cy Young Crosby... I will give him his props for his offensive skill, but he is BY FAR NOT the greatest player... You are delusional.

That being said, this is just another example of rules being changed (or made up) to benefit the teams the league wants to win. There have been MANY MANY times the refs have blown whistles AFTER the puck has gone in because of intent to blow, this went in a good second AFTER the whistle had blown only for Toronto to rule it was a goal despite the ref blowing the whistle. This wasn't even intent to blow...

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Posted 22 November 2010 - 04:57 PM

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Posted 22 November 2010 - 04:57 PM

I'll tell you guys something. The NHL needs an NFL style review system where the REF can watch the play and make a decision, not some guys up in Toronto. Both the May goal and Pens goal (barring any conspiracy) would have been called correctly. Keep in mind, the Refs on the ice can't visualize the play very well a minute or two after it happens, they have to take their recollection, combine it with what some guy on the phone is saying, and then try to determine stuff like when did I intend to blow the whistle. Something is bound to be lost in translation and all this theoretically could be fixed if the ref could watch the play with headphones for sound.

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Posted 22 November 2010 - 04:59 PM

When I saw this on NHL network, I got so mad. For consistency sake, that's no goal. It's continually been called a no goal. Whistle blew before the puck crossed the line. No goal. The problem is consistency and NHL don't belong in the same sentence.

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Posted 22 November 2010 - 05:12 PM

When I saw this on NHL network, I got so mad. For consistency sake, that's no goal. It's continually been called a no goal. Whistle blew before the puck crossed the line. No goal. The problem is consistency and NHL don't belong in the same sentence.


You know NHL rules do not apply when the Penguins, especially Cindy, are involved. Shame one you. :ph34r:

This will get worse and worse until the NHL = NBA. Too bad it's so hard to find good lacrosse or rugby matches televised in the U.S.
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Posted 22 November 2010 - 05:25 PM

thats cuz its the nhls golden franchise :thumbdown: :ph34r:

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Posted 22 November 2010 - 05:29 PM

if anyone should be mad it should the Ducks fans, because they USED to be the Golden Franchise and they got ALL the breaks...

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#36 Theophany

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Posted 22 November 2010 - 05:31 PM

Too bad it's so hard to find good lacrosse or rugby matches televised in the U.S.

Check out ESPN3.com (it's on Xbox360 now, too) during the college lax and MLL seasons, they broadcast almost every major game on there, and they broadcast the NCAA DI tournament on ESPN/ESPN2.

Rugby is on there too, IIRC.

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Posted 22 November 2010 - 06:19 PM

Obviously FSN Pittsburgh sent a feed to Toronto without the audio!
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Posted 22 November 2010 - 07:06 PM

I don't see any controversy. The puck wasn't under control by the goaltender, and then it found it's way into the back of the net. That's a goal any day of the week.

the whistle blows the play is dead no matter where the puck is, clearly the puck was under the goalie when the whistle blew so it should have been no goal

Edited by DMAC 25, 22 November 2010 - 07:11 PM.


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Posted 22 November 2010 - 07:32 PM

I don't see any controversy. The puck wasn't under control by the goaltender, and then it found it's way into the back of the net. That's a goal any day of the week.


What the hell do you people want? Want him to just skate to the bench and never show emotion? The expectations you put on this kid are ridiculous, just sit back and enjoy his skill, he's the greatest player in the generation and I'm at a loss for words why people are losing out on great entertainment because they are jealous we don't have Crosby on our team.

He was telling the ref to review the play, do you think he was telling the ref "HEY IM SIDNEY CROSBY AWARD ME A GOAL AT ONCE" come on now, the ref just said to him something along the lines of "we'll look at it calm down", like any other ref would if the same situation happened to any other team.




This is one of the most embarrassing posts I've ever seen on this board, and I've been here 2 1/2 years. I've seen trolls whose only purpose here is to post "LOL RED WINGS SUX!!!! DEAD THINGS!! LOLOLOLOL!!!11" spout less embarrassing things than that post.

We get it. You're attached to Crosby's nuts. You think the sun shines out of his ass, his s*** smells like roses and when he smiles, you say "But soft, what light through yonder window breaks? It is Crosby, and he is the sun." I'm convinced he could go on a tri-state murdering spree, kill 34 people including infants, war widows and puppies and you'd still say that Wings fans were jealous we didn't have a puppy-murderer on our team who can kill puppies like he can.

Just please.

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Posted 22 November 2010 - 07:44 PM

I don't see any controversy. The puck wasn't under control by the goaltender, and then it found it's way into the back of the net. That's a goal any day of the week.


What the hell do you people want? Want him to just skate to the bench and never show emotion? The expectations you put on this kid are ridiculous, just sit back and enjoy his skill, he's the greatest player in the generation and I'm at a loss for words why people are losing out on great entertainment because they are jealous we don't have Crosby on our team.

He was telling the ref to review the play, do you think he was telling the ref "HEY IM SIDNEY CROSBY AWARD ME A GOAL AT ONCE" come on now, the ref just said to him something along the lines of "we'll look at it calm down", like any other ref would if the same situation happened to any other team.

How are you not Sidney Crosby's public relations director? Seriously.

Firstly, there is no grey area in this instance with the Intent to Blow the Whistle rule, which I do hate by the way. However, the referee blew the whistle when he lost sight of the puck and before the puck crossed the line. That should not have been ruled a goal, no questions asked. I don't like the intent to blow the whistle rule and I hate not stopping play unless the puck is completely covered or you are fully sure, but what the hell is the ref supposed to do there, he has to go by his best judgment.

Secondly, you've probably been told this a plethora of times and either do not get it, or you do get it and you purposefully ignore what people tell you and just contiunally enjoy getting slammed on. This is a Red Wings forum. They played the Penguins in the Stanley Cup Finals two years ago in recent past. The majority in here do not like the Penguins, if not everybody in here doesn't like them. Plenty don't like their captain all that much either. Not because he's one of the best players in the game at present, but largely because of his other attributes/lack thereof. He was voted the whiniest player in the league by NHL players, he's probably as equally hated in the obsessive fashion by fans across the league as much as he is liked. That does not equal being jealous of him whatsoever. That just means people get that he is a great talent, but dispise him because he acts like a whiney punk way too much for our liking. Got it? Get it through your head.

If you want to like Crosby, cool, I'm not stopping you and I don't have a problem with it. Continually acting surprised though at the reactions you get when you are involved in conversations about him is incredibly naive and stupid, and don't pretend like you don't notice. See above why.





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