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#21 Konnan511

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Posted 01 December 2010 - 01:29 AM

thank you for enlightening me 8 hours later

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Posted 01 December 2010 - 02:45 AM

I'd like to see a 3-5 year contract. Maybe incentive bonuses based on # of starts, win, GAA, etc... And for the sake of Jebus, no DiPietro "9,000 years + soul of first born" kind of contract.

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Posted 01 December 2010 - 02:28 PM

What kind of contract do you guys think Howard will get?

He's been damn solid and could have a great career here, as long as he doesn't get greedy - Holland has made it a point and other teams have followed suit... you don't win the big one with a bloated contract for a goalie in today's NHL.

I would guess 3-5 years at a cap hit of 2.5 a year or LESS.... there is no way Holland hampers our cap with a big contract for a goalie...

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Posted 01 December 2010 - 02:34 PM

pekka rinne money - $3,400,000



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Posted 01 December 2010 - 02:37 PM

Thank god howard has a deadly offensive team in front of him this year, his GAA getting higher and higher and his sv% is sub-par, but the team is still winning games... howard should be thankful.

(Not meant to trash howard just saying the team in front of him is doing the job)

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Posted 01 December 2010 - 02:38 PM

you should blame our stupid defense for allowing less than 30 shots so often



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Posted 01 December 2010 - 02:44 PM

A good goalie should have higher sv% than .913, simple as that. It's not reasonable to have 20shots against and osgood/dom in the net á 07/08, simply just too good to be true, that year was special.

Edited by mindfly, 01 December 2010 - 02:45 PM.


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Posted 01 December 2010 - 02:51 PM

A good goalie should have higher sv% than .913, simple as that. It's not reasonable to have 20shots against and osgood/dom in the net á 07/08, simply just too good to be true, that year was special.

2007/2008 - Dominik Hasek: 0.902 SV%

You were saying?
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Posted 01 December 2010 - 02:54 PM

Did i say hasek was good that year? no. The Defense that year was extremely good, thanks to mclellan, prime-lidstrom etc, allowing very few shots per game so that sv% didn't have to be as good.

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Posted 01 December 2010 - 03:03 PM

Howie has done the deed this year so far. The play in front of him has been exceptional yes, but I definitely feel like he is going to continue getting stronger in the warmer months (ie. March, April ya know playoffs and such). Keep it up Jimmy. Knew you would come out determined just like the rest of the squad has this year.
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Posted 01 December 2010 - 03:21 PM

Did i say hasek was good that year? no. The Defense that year was extremely good, thanks to mclellan, prime-lidstrom etc, allowing very few shots per game so that sv% didn't have to be as good.

So now you're blaming the defense? I thought it was Howard that was the problem. Make up your mind.

Sidenote: Aside from +/- Lids is on pace to best his 07/08 season. Keep in mind that number this year hasn't been what it normally is due to the shuffling of his partner quite often.
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Posted 01 December 2010 - 03:23 PM

So now you're blaming the defense? I thought it was Howard that was the problem. Make up your mind.

Howard is a little problem now, minor problem, because the defense is not as good as in 07/08 (just compare the average shots against) the goaltenders were good enough in 07/08 (won jennings trophy as lowest GAA) because the defense was so good allowing so few shots and being so sound overall, if howard would have had a 92-94 sv% today the wings' would be that much better, just saying.

Edited by mindfly, 01 December 2010 - 03:24 PM.


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Posted 01 December 2010 - 03:30 PM

Howard is a little problem now, minor problem, because the defense is not as good as in 07/08 (just compare the average shots against) the goaltenders were good enough in 07/08 (won jennings trophy as lowest GAA) because the defense was so good allowing so few shots and being so sound overall, if howard would have had a 92-94 sv% today the wings' would be that much better, just saying.

Typical mindly. You get a 4-caret diamond and complain that its not a 5.

The defense was banged up early in the year and there was tons shuffling going on. If they stay healthy the remainder of the season, you're going to continue to see the average shot total and GAA shrink. There's simply too much talent up and down this roster (and that includes Howard) for it to go any other way.

Lastly, I'm most certainly not saying one should be complacent when things are going well, but your M.O. has always been to nitpick at the one thing the Wings aren't doing perfectly, when the fact of the matter is that every other NHL team seems to have atleast 3-4. I'm fairly confident Babs is well aware of the teams' current GAA and SA totals and is working to correct them to a level near past years' squads.
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Posted 01 December 2010 - 03:31 PM

Howard is a little problem now, minor problem, because the defense is not as good as in 07/08 (just compare the average shots against) the goaltenders were good enough in 07/08 (won jennings trophy as lowest GAA) because the defense was so good allowing so few shots and being so sound overall, if howard would have had a 92-94 sv% today the wings' would be that much better, just saying.


Do you actually like the wings? Everything you post is so damn negative. Get real.

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Posted 01 December 2010 - 03:40 PM

Do you actually like the wings? Everything you post is so damn negative. Get real.



He is extremely negative about Howard, and it gets fricken old. The dude expects perfection, out of the hardest position in the sport (maybe even sports). Howard wins games along with the team in front of him. When I watch games I don't see the team and think, "damn howard sure is lucky that team is in front of him or he'd be horrible." I think that Howard is an above average goaltender in a league full of mediocre goaltenders and very few amazing goaltenders. Mindfly seems to just need to complain or his head explodes from all the negative thoughts building up.

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Posted 01 December 2010 - 03:43 PM

I love the wings, but i still like to discuss what they can improve, isn't this a discussion forum?

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Posted 01 December 2010 - 03:46 PM

I love the wings, but i still like to discuss what they can improve, isn't this a discussion forum?

You bet it is. That's not the point.

The fact of the matter is you find these little areas that the Wings aren't leading the NHL in and then try to blow them up bigger than life as if they not only have zero shot at winning the Cup, but even winning a single game. It's annoying...and pathetic.
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"They are the best team in the world. They are a team that can just take over when they want to," Chicago's Patrick Kane said (of the Detroit Red Wings).

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Posted 01 December 2010 - 03:53 PM

You bet it is. That's not the point.

The fact of the matter is you find these little areas that the Wings aren't leading the NHL in and then try to blow them up bigger than life as if they not only have zero shot at winning the Cup, but even winning a single game. It's annoying...and pathetic.

You are entitled to think like that, but i'm sure mike babcock would love to see jimmy step it up more because defense wins championships and howard must be better come playoff time.

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Posted 01 December 2010 - 03:54 PM

Thats like saying "I love my wife but i like to nitpick her so she can improve upon herself", pretty sure that wouldn't last too long. Yea thats an extreme and a diff kind of love of the wings but everyone else here loves the wings too and they don't like hearing someone nitpick and spout crap about the team they love. Some of it may be warranted but no where near as much as you write.

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Posted 01 December 2010 - 04:06 PM

You are entitled to think like that, but i'm sure mike babcock would love to see jimmy step it up more because defense wins championships and howard must be better come playoff time.

Of course he would. Who wouldn't want their goaltender to "step it up more" at any given time? The fact of the matter is that while 0.915% isn't 0.940%, its not as if its 0.890% (which is how you're coming off).

Just like any playoff run, typically every team defense engages and the shots against number goes down and teams fight harder to clear the crease. A fair amount of goalies follow suit with their level of play and we all hope Jimmmy will too. *At this point of the season* knocking his rookie playoff campaign where he still finished with a 0.915 SV% playing in front of a tired team, IMO is just stupid.

If the defense and Jimmy continue to allow 2.6+ GA consistently a month before the playoffs, then you'll have something *legitimate* to whine about.

Thats like saying "I love my wife but i like to nitpick her so she can improve upon herself", pretty sure that wouldn't last too long. Yea thats an extreme and a diff kind of love of the wings but everyone else here loves the wings too and they don't like hearing someone nitpick and spout crap about the team they love. Some of it may be warranted but no where near as much as you write.

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"They are the best team in the world. They are a team that can just take over when they want to," Chicago's Patrick Kane said (of the Detroit Red Wings).





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