So, using that theory, lets not give any of the 9 goalies ahead of Osgood ANY credit. Especially those Broduer and Roy characters, just look at the teams they played for, hell, my Gramma could've won in Colorado or New Jersey... Pfft, 600 wins, Marty is average, put him on Florida his whole career and he doesn't have 200 wins...
strange, since Yzerman never won the Hart or Richard award,I guess he was never the best center in the game, ever. Hell, without his teammates he doesn't have 1063 assists without his teammates. Brett Hull was average until Adam Oates played with him, I guess Hull doesn't deserve his HOF induction or number retired.
I never said your grandma could have won in Colorado. Wins credited to goalies is a stupid idea. You might as well give the win to all the defensemen and forwards. I guess Lidstrom has at least 500 wins by now.
Look at the Cup run in 97. Osgood is a no.2 goalie.
Cup run in 98. Was Osgood good? The series against Phoenix and Dallas say otherwise. The Wings won DESPITE Osgood's poor performance. Your grandma would have had a chance as well.
He was great in 2008. Really good. Wings wouldn't have won without him.
If Osgood spent his career on the Islanders team, would there be any conversation about HHOF? Hasek has less wins because he was on a poor Buffalo team for most of his career. Is Osgood better? No way.
Yzerman had one year where he could be considered the best center in the game, and he won the Pearson (Lindsay now) trophy that year. Your Hull analogy doesn't make sense.
While I agree he's never been the best goalie in the game, he's above an average goalie. An average goalie does not have a 16 year career in the NHL.
I meant that he is average goalie compared to the league. Overall, he has had an above average career for sure.
Roloson is three years older, and yet Osgood had won a Stanley Cup before Roloson had 75 NHL starts under his belt.
Yes, that was clearly all Osgood in 97 and 98.
Osgood has had six 30-win seasons. Roloson has had none.
Not a team stat at all.
Only once in Osgood's professional career has he posted a losing record, that being last season's 7-9-4 record. Roloson has done so seven times in the NHL and once in the AHL.
Not a team stat at all.
Osgood was consistently considered a top goaltender throughout the 90s, has been named to play in the all-star game multiple times as well as having been named a member of the postseason all-star team. Roloson has made one appearance in the all-star game, selected because he and Fernandez were the only realistic options for the Wild at that point.
All-star game..what a cool award.
He was named only once to the all star team (and 2nd AST at that).
He has won zero major awards (Jennings is nothing special) and the only reason why people are discussing Osgood and HHOF is the 400 wins achievement. That alone does not get you to HHOF. And if you are not in HHOF you are not gonna have your number retired in Detroit.
Edited by Reds4Life, 05 January 2011 - 04:34 AM.