Price Tags n the Following UFA's

[wingsownnhl43 14]

What do you guys think?

Jimmy Howard

Jonathan Ericcson

Patrick Eaves

Nicklas Lidstrom (if he doesnt retire)

[Guest mindfly]

What do you guys think?

Jimmy Howard

Jonathan Ericcson

Patrick Eaves

Nicklas Lidstrom (if he doesnt retire)

Howard ~1.5-2M

Ericsson ~1.5M

Eaves ~1-1.2M

Lidstrom ~5M/Retire.

If they demand more than that then let them leave, they aren't worth more, wings can bring up kids from GR and replace them if they don't accept the money.

Edited December 19, 2010 by mindfly

[Buppy 1,720]

What do you guys think?

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Jimmy Howard - Too early yet. If he keeps playing the way he has the past 10 games or so, then <$2M. If he gets back to last year's regular season and/or puts up a strong playoff, then $3.5+

Jonathan Ericcson - $1-1.5M, barring any remarkable jump in performance

Patrick Eaves - $750K-1.5M

Nicklas Lidstrom - Whatever he wants, probably around the same as this year. I'd love it if he only asked for $4-5M, to give us a little extra space to play with, even though the FA crop is pretty sparse. I'm not sure Kenny would even be willing to pay him less than Rafi.

[titanium2 867]

If Nick wants to stay, it's because his abilities allow him to be the best defenseman on the team. Therefore, you absolutely cannot pay him less than Rafalski. It just isn't right.

[Guest mindfly]

If Nick wants to stay, it's because his abilities allow him to be the best defenseman on the team. Therefore, you absolutely cannot pay him less than Rafalski. It just isn't right.

Sure you can, rafalski signed that contract 2007 when lidstrom were getting loads of money, he'll be 41, 42 at the end of that new contract if he re-signs, you can't have it at the same, 6.2 that is, gotta go for around 5, anything else would be absurd.

[kook_10 1,705]

Howard ~1.5-2M

Ericsson ~1.5M

Eaves ~1-1.2M

Lidstrom ~5M/Retire.

If they demand more than that then let them leave, they aren't worth more, wings can bring up kids from GR and replace them if they don't accept the money.

I think Jimmy's ceiling is higher. Assuming Ozzie retires, I don't see the organization taking on such a risk over relatively little money. They will want to keep him for continuity's sake.

If Ericsson's minutes stay at around 16 or so I think you're right on his limit, but I have a feeling that his minutes will go up. If that happens and he continues to play solid he could get $2M. Big bodies don't grow on trees on the DRO farm.

[Buppy 1,720]

Sure you can, rafalski signed that contract 2007 when lidstrom were getting loads of money, he'll be 41, 42 at the end of that new contract if he re-signs, you can't have it at the same, 6.2 that is, gotta go for around 5, anything else would be absurd.

Age isn't that big of a factor.

The one year price of a 50-60+ point, Norris caliber defenseman would be in the $8-10M range. $6.2 would be well worth it.

[Guest mindfly]

I will be extremely disappointed in lidstrom if he doesn't take another small discount next contract, it makes sense for everyone.

[VM1138 1,921]

I expect Lidstrom to return, and he'll be paid about what he is now. If the Hudler-Eaves-Miller fiasco keeps going, I can see Eaves pricing himself out of here, not wanting to stay unless he gets paid more than he's worth, unfortunately.

And Howard, if he has a dick agent, I can see him pushing for a ridiculous amount of money like every other goalie does and hamstringing the team with a contract.

[Konnan511 1,736]

Jimmy Howard - 3.5mil

Jonathan Ericcson - 1mil, you don't pay a 6th D-Man 1.5 and above.

Patrick Eaves - If he want higher than 1.25, he's gone because we have younger guys who will do just as good of a god as him but cheaper.

Nicklas Lidstrom (if he doesnt retire) - 6mil. He won't make less than Rafalski.

[Guest mindfly]

Jimmy Howard - 3.5mil

Jonathan Ericcson - 1mil, you don't pay a 6th D-Man 1.5 and above.

Patrick Eaves - If he want higher than 1.25, he's gone because we have younger guys who will do just as good of a god as him but cheaper.

Nicklas Lidstrom (if he doesnt retire) - 6mil. He won't make less than Rafalski.

Howard 3.5M give me a break, he's not even top20 in any goalie category except W's and that's all because of the team in front of him.

[GSBrooks13 204]

Jimmy Howard - 2-2.5 Million

Jonathan Ericcson - 1.25 Million

Patrick Eaves - 1 Million

Nicklas Lidstrom - I would love to say 4-5 But I am gonna have to agree with the majority here.. I just can't see him making less than Rafalski. I think if Kenny asked him to take the cut he probably would, but I don't think that would ever even happen. If he comes back he will probably make the same as Rafalski.

[kook_10 1,705]

Jonathan Ericcson - 1mil, you don't pay a 6th D-Man 1.5 and above.

Salei is old and expendable so E is like 5th on the priority / org chart if not the depth chart. They also have already invested a lot in him and still has his best years ahead of him too. I can see him getting a 3 yr deal which overpays him for next year (if Nick stays) and underpays him when he moves to a steady 4th slot.

[Jesusberg 1,256]

With guys like Mursak and Emmerton pushing for a spot on the team, I think it'd be OK to let a few guys go or retire (Modano, Miller, Draper). Those two have more offensive upside (I believe) than some of our UFA's, and have enough speed to play the system well.

Howard: 2.5-3.0 Million (depending on playoffs)

Ericsson: 1-1.25 Million

Eaves: 750-900 Thousand

Lidstrom: 5.5-6.5 Million

I think with Howard the Red Wings won't overpay for a goaltender, either way... not in the salary cap era. Ericsson's price seems fair for a 5th-6th guy who works mostly defensively, and Eaves seems ballpark for his position as well, considering he could be taken in and out of the line-up the way he's been this year.

With Lidstrom I think there's a fine line to walk. I think he would definitely agree to around 5 million, but I don't think it's right to pay him 5 million. The man's done so much for the team, but it's the fact that he's still so good in conjunction with this that makes me think they can't underpay him by too much. He's not, let's say, Kris Draper (no offense to Drapes) so it's not a principle based on loyalty alone. I don't know that Rafalski's contract really should have any bearing on Lidstrom's, given when it was signed, but it would definitely feel weird to see it for me personally.

I like the team's make-up of... (barring no one gets traded)

Alphabetized, not real lines

Abdelkader/Bertuzzi/Cleary

Datsyuk/Eaves/Emmerton

Filppula/Franzen/Helm

Holmstrom/Hudler/Mursak

Zetterberg

Ericsson/Kindl

Kronwall/Lidstrom

Rafalski/Stuart

UFA (Or it's possible to look at Janik, Kolosov [RFA] or Meech [uFA] within the system)

Howard

Osgood or UFA (I don't think McCollum is capable yet. I also think that Larsson burned his bridges with the team with his recent comments).

[newfy 695]

I think Eaves gets no more then 1 mil if he stays. We have guys like Mursak and Owens who could come up and play the exact same role as he does for a lower price. Hell, he might not even be offered a contract because we need room for these young guys coming up

[dragonballgtz 273]

I think Eaves gets no more then 1 mil if he stays. We have guys like Mursak and Owens who could come up and play the exact same role as he does for a lower price. Hell, he might not even be offered a contract because we need room for these young guys coming up

I think Eaves has so far earned a longer contract maybe 3 years. Maybe it's just my own expectation but I see Draper, Miller, Mo all gone next season. With those three gone that leaves one true open spot for a youngster to claim if they earn it.

Howard: 2.5-3.0 Million (depending on playoffs)

Ericsson: 1-1.25 Million

Eaves: 750-900 Thousand

Lidstrom: 5.5-6.5 Million

I agree with those numbers except Eaves. With reduced ice time I didn't think he would come close to double digit goal numbers but the guy has been great. I think he gets $1m easily.

Holland needs to use the "take one for the team and a chance to win" card with Lidstrom. That or bow down to him and beg to him to stay at an even lower cap hit as if his life depended on it.

Edited December 19, 2010 by dragonballgtz

[Nhurdi 42]

I think for Lidstrom you have the GM and ownership sit down with him, explain what they think they need to acquire in the off season and for how much for the best chance at the cup. Then simply ask Lidstrom how much do you want to be apart of this. Lidstrom is smart he can decide on $ for his effort and time at his age or $ for the team to shore up spots.

Frankly though if we win a cup this year, i wouldn't be surprised to see Lidstrom retire.

Regarding Howard, I hope he doesn't price himself out of a job. 2.5 mill would be my theoretical cap for him at this time but it depends on length of contract and how he does in the playoffs.

Won't comments on the other guys.

[Konnan511 1,736]

With guys like Mursak and Emmerton pushing for a spot on the team, I think it'd be OK to let a few guys go or retire (Modano, Miller, Draper). Those two have more offensive upside (I believe) than some of our UFA's, and have enough speed to play the system well.

Howard: 2.5-3.0 Million (depending on playoffs)

Ericsson: 1-1.25 Million

Eaves: 750-900 Thousand

Lidstrom: 5.5-6.5 Million

I think with Howard the Red Wings won't overpay for a goaltender, either way... not in the salary cap era. Ericsson's price seems fair for a 5th-6th guy who works mostly defensively, and Eaves seems ballpark for his position as well, considering he could be taken in and out of the line-up the way he's been this year.

With Lidstrom I think there's a fine line to walk. I think he would definitely agree to around 5 million, but I don't think it's right to pay him 5 million. The man's done so much for the team, but it's the fact that he's still so good in conjunction with this that makes me think they can't underpay him by too much. He's not, let's say, Kris Draper (no offense to Drapes) so it's not a principle based on loyalty alone. I don't know that Rafalski's contract really should have any bearing on Lidstrom's, given when it was signed, but it would definitely feel weird to see it for me personally.

I like the team's make-up of... (barring no one gets traded)

Alphabetized, not real lines

Abdelkader/Bertuzzi/Cleary

Datsyuk/Eaves/Emmerton

Filppula/Franzen/Helm

Holmstrom/Hudler/Mursak

Zetterberg

Ericsson/Kindl

Kronwall/Lidstrom

Rafalski/Stuart

UFA (Or it's possible to look at Janik, Kolosov [RFA] or Meech [uFA] within the system)

Howard

Osgood or UFA (I don't think McCollum is capable yet. I also think that Larsson burned his bridges with the team with his recent comments).

That's the same, more or less, 23 man roster i have for next year except I think Homer will retire and iFlip will be up and one or both of Larsson or HTD will be on the Wings next year.

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

I will be extremely disappointed in lidstrom if he doesn't take another small discount next contract, it makes sense for everyone.

Well, even if he does give another discount for his contract, i'm sure you'll find something to be disappointed in.

All your contracts seem a little low, except Eaves.

[Jesusberg 1,256]

I agree with those numbers except Eaves. With reduced ice time I didn't think he would come close to double digit goal numbers but the guy has been great. I think he gets $1m easily.

Yeah, I suppose you're right. I guess I just like Mursak's upside and I'd like to see him get some decent playing time, which in turn would mean less for Eaves. I guess I'm officially a Mursak slappy, lol.

That's the same, more or less, 23 man roster i have for next year except I think Homer will retire and iFlip will be up and one or both of Larsson or HTD will be on the Wings next year.

I considered that, but I feel like unless Homer gets hurt this year he'll likely play out his contract. He's on pace to have what could be considered a typical season for him, so I don't see him just stopping unless he has to. I gave Emmerton the nod over Filppula because Emmerton's the natural center, and he's shown himself to play very well defensively this season. Both guys will make a good case for nabbing a spot and I think it could come down to training camp if they keep up their play.

I would agree with Larsson and Axelsson, except I think they may have talked their way off the team. Both guys are talented, no doubt about it, but I think they've exhibited poor attitudes at times. Based on talent alone I think they'd both have a strong case, but I wonder how management will respond to comments they've made and their returns to Sweden.

[Buppy 1,720]

How many starting netminders playing 50 plus games per year are making anything less than $3 million?

$3 to $4 million seems about right for J-Ho.

This year, it could end up being over 10. There's only 19 goalies in the league making over $3M. Not all of them are regular starters, and most got their deals before last season. Last year we saw a lot of teams aim for the 'cheap' goaltending Detroit and Chicago took advantage of, and I think that will continue.

Jimmy will need to improve greatly from his recent play if he want to get $3M+, as that seems to be becoming the high point of goalie price range.

[soultrain 43]

everyone on this board knows that, if any or all of these guys want to stay we will pay them a fair price...the wings always are more than fair with all of the guys on the squad....that is why they rule as a hockey club.

[eva unit zero 271]

Modano and Draper retire. Salei does not return, possibly due to retirement.

Eaves $1.25m

Miller $1m

Lidstrom $5.75m

Ericsson $1.5m

Howard $ 3.5m

Osgood $1m

This is approximately $15m of UFA salary being cut off, and with the three players leaving drops the Wings to 12/6/2 returning from the current roster.

So replacements have to be found. The players above cost a total of $13.5m, and there is an expected cap rise of about $2m. This would leave $3.5m to add three players to the roster, either from within the organization or via free agency. The Wings have typically carried 13 forwards and 8 defensemen rather than 14-7, so we'll go based on that. If you figure in Meech and Janik as defensive spares at $550k each, That drops available cash to $2.4m, which could acquire a better third line center than Modano. He is a winger, but with the kind of season Alex Frolov is having, it might also be possible to get him for that kind of price. Brooks Laich might be possible, but probably will be out of that range if he hits the market. Curtis Glencross and Scottie Upshall are other options who might be in that range who are in the 25-28 age range. None are particularly stellar defensively...but neither is Modano.

And if the Wings would look to sign a guy like that, letting Miller go and signing a spare or bringing up a guy like Emmerton as the spare would save the team cap space while actually using developed, NHL-ready prospects.

Imagine these possible sets of lines for next season if the Wings were to pick up a top six winger like Frolov:

Eurotwins together:

Zetterberg/Datsyuk/Holmstrom

Franzen/Filppula/Frolov

Cleary/Hudler/Bertuzzi

Abdelkader/Helm/Eaves

Miller

Eurotwins apart:

Franzen/Zetterberg/Cleary

Holmstrom/Datsyuk/Frolov

Hudler/Filppula/Bertuzzi

Abdelkader/Helm/Eaves

Miller

[Konnan511 1,736]

Yeah, I suppose you're right. I guess I just like Mursak's upside and I'd like to see him get some decent playing time, which in turn would mean less for Eaves. I guess I'm officially a Mursak slappy, lol.

I considered that, but I feel like unless Homer gets hurt this year he'll likely play out his contract. He's on pace to have what could be considered a typical season for him, so I don't see him just stopping unless he has to. I gave Emmerton the nod over Filppula because Emmerton's the natural center, and he's shown himself to play very well defensively this season. Both guys will make a good case for nabbing a spot and I think it could come down to training camp if they keep up their play.

I would agree with Larsson and Axelsson, except I think they may have talked their way off the team. Both guys are talented, no doubt about it, but I think they've exhibited poor attitudes at times. Based on talent alone I think they'd both have a strong case, but I wonder how management will respond to comments they've made and their returns to Sweden.

My apologizes, i should have clarified, but I've been saying all along that both Mursak and Emmerton will be on the team next year.

But in short

In: Mursak and Emmerton and Kindl

Out: Miller and Modano and Salei

Edited December 20, 2010 by Konnan511