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#41 Joey v3.4

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Posted 30 December 2010 - 07:36 PM

For some reason it did not add to my original post, thus the original is now being altered.

All things said in this post, are found below.

Edited by Joey v3.4, 30 December 2010 - 07:43 PM.

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Posted 30 December 2010 - 07:37 PM

Another Cleary or not, I'm happy for Eaves. I love how The Wings can find guys that are pretty much left for dead and rejuvenate their careers.

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Posted 30 December 2010 - 07:39 PM

I've enjoyed your posts so far, but you dropped the ball on this one. Perhaps you just mis-read what I wrote.

I said If he starts scoring like he has been in the last couple of games, he'd qualify as "redeemed".

We've been looking for something to get Huds going. If playing with Eaves and Cleary (as was proposed) gets him going and he starts scoring like he has been in the last couple of games, he'd qualify as "redeemed".


When saying I dropped the ball, you should not say:

"If he starts scoring like he has been"

When he has only been doing it two games.

I don't really care that I dropped the ball in your opinion. I still stick with my opinion.

You might base your opinion on his last two games. I try to look at the season. A s*** ton of players have scored 2 games in a row, only to go on to be minor league players the next year.

I am not a Hudler hater. I honestly think the man has skills. I'm just saying, 2 good games so far in an 82 game season....is not really awe inspiring.

Hell, Draper can pull that off. Hell........Miller pulled it off.

A goalie could pull off points in two consecutive games, in theory.

I never shut my eyes on Hudler. I'm just saying.....he broke out two games....now he's got 40 more to prove.

I am not really anti hudler. I am not really Pro Hudler. My stance is more like, "letsf****** see"

Oh and when I'm wrong, I got no problem admitting it. I'm wrong more than I'd care to admit, honestly.

This thread isn't even about Hudler.

I digress.

Edited by Joey v3.4, 30 December 2010 - 07:49 PM.

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Posted 30 December 2010 - 07:58 PM

Patrick Eaves = The Random Hero of Hockeytown!

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Posted 30 December 2010 - 09:10 PM

When saying I dropped the ball, you should not say:

"If he starts scoring like he has been"

When he has only been doing it two games.

I don't really care that I dropped the ball in your opinion. I still stick with my opinion.

You might base your opinion on his last two games. I try to look at the season. A s*** ton of players have scored 2 games in a row, only to go on to be minor league players the next year.

I am not a Hudler hater. I honestly think the man has skills. I'm just saying, 2 good games so far in an 82 game season....is not really awe inspiring.

Hell, Draper can pull that off. Hell........Miller pulled it off.

A goalie could pull off points in two consecutive games, in theory.

I never shut my eyes on Hudler. I'm just saying.....he broke out two games....now he's got 40 more to prove.

I am not really anti hudler. I am not really Pro Hudler. My stance is more like, "letsf****** see"

Oh and when I'm wrong, I got no problem admitting it. I'm wrong more than I'd care to admit, honestly.

This thread isn't even about Hudler.

I digress.

Fair enough.

With this post and edits you made to the original post, I understand your position now.

I had said that Hudler could be part of a line with Cleary (who has redeemed himself) and Eaves (who is in the process and is making good progress). I felt Hudler had potential to be part of a redemption project line if he keeps doing as he has in the last couple of games.

The other two being discussed did well in junior and headed into the league with high expectations which were not met for various reasons.

Hudler left here doing well, but has not returned to the level of play that he once had, and has not lived up to expectations.

I thought he'd fit as a redemption project since we've seen in the last couple of games that he still has it in him. He just needs to keep going.

Your original response simply said "No" based on this season, which was not at all what I was talking about.

Now that you have explained yourself, I see that we are talking about two different things altogether from two different perspectives. You are talking about this season, in which case your opinion is accurate. I am talking about his future.

Either way, if Eaves and Cleary can do it, I'll give Huds a chance to redeem himself. It doesn't work every time, but it has paid off nicely in what we have gotten out of Eaves and Cleary.

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Posted 30 December 2010 - 09:19 PM

Fair enough.

With this post and edits you made to the original post, I understand your position now.

I had said that Hudler could be part of a line with Cleary (who has redeemed himself) and Eaves (who is in the process and is making good progress). I felt Hudler had potential to be part of a redemption project line if he keeps doing as he has in the last couple of games.

The other two being discussed did well in junior and headed into the league with high expectations which were not met for various reasons.

Hudler left here doing well, but has not returned to the level of play that he once had, and has not lived up to expectations.

I thought he'd fit as a redemption project since we've seen in the last couple of games that he still has it in him. He just needs to keep going.

Your original response simply said "No" based on this season, which was not at all what I was talking about.

Now that you have explained yourself, I see that we are talking about two different things altogether from two different perspectives. You are talking about this season, in which case your opinion is accurate. I am talking about his future.

Either way, if Eaves and Cleary can do it, I'll give Huds a chance to redeem himself. It doesn't work every time, but it has paid off nicely in what we have gotten out of Eaves and Cleary.


You explained yourself a lot better that time.

I agree, but I'm still going to remain a stoic on the issue :)
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Posted 30 December 2010 - 09:21 PM

You explained yourself a lot better that time.

I agree, but I'm still going to remain a stoic on the issue :)

Cool. Glad we got that ironed out.
I've given you enough plusses on your posts that I don't want to have to regret wasting them. ;)

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Posted 30 December 2010 - 10:08 PM

I would still be against this. Who would you bump down to the fourth line in Eaves' place? It would be between Abby and Eaves for who would play on the third line with Flip and Huds.

The lines I had slated, if I recall correctly, were:

Bertuzzi/Zetterberg/Cleary
Holmstrom/Datsyuk/Eaves
Franzen/Filppula/Hudler
Abdelkader/Helm/Miller


IMO Asham is just as good of a fourth liner (Eaves is a better second or third though) because of his style.


I said overall player. I was referring to those players playing on fourth lines, not with regard to the "fourth line" style of play. Arguing that Asham is a better overall player than Eaves is like saying Manny Legace is on track for the Vezina.

I think Eaves is having a great year thus far. I don't agree with the posters saying that he is a second line player. Can he play on the second with two other skilled players? Yes, but so can 95% of the team.


Eaves is a developed player who has all of the skills to play on the second line. He has been putting them to use this season.
Just because he's not on the second line due to the Wings' excessive depth does not mean he is not second-line capable.
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Posted 31 December 2010 - 11:24 AM

Eaves and Cleary are very similar players actually.

Both are versatile, can score, can hit, dont really back down in scrums and are solid PKers.

I'm a pretty big Eaves fan and it pisses me off when Miller gets bumped up a line over Eaves.

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Posted 31 December 2010 - 03:16 PM

The lines I had slated, if I recall correctly, were:

Bertuzzi/Zetterberg/Cleary
Holmstrom/Datsyuk/Eaves
Franzen/Filppula/Hudler
Abdelkader/Helm/Miller


I said overall player. I was referring to those players playing on fourth lines, not with regard to the "fourth line" style of play. Arguing that Asham is a better overall player than Eaves is like saying Manny Legace is on track for the Vezina.



Eaves is a developed player who has all of the skills to play on the second line. He has been putting them to use this season.
Just because he's not on the second line due to the Wings' excessive depth does not mean he is not second-line capable.

To me, that is spreading the Wings' talent too thin. IMO the Wings have one of the top lines in the league with ZDH. Franzen-Flip-Bert would be a top line for some teams in the league (replace Bert or Flip with a better player and it could be most teams top line), and Huds-Abby-Cleary is almost on par with every second line in the league. IMO the above (what Babcock did) is like having a 1a,1b,2b line setup and yours is more closely a 2a,2a,2a setup. The results may be similar on paper but the Wings' third line usually gets a lot less time than the first and second and I think that would under-utilize Mule and Flip.

I see what you mean now. I would agree that Eaves is a better all-around player while Asham is likely a better fourth liner (if he PKs well). Surprisingly, Asham has posted one 30+ point season and ~five 20+ point seasons.

I don't agree with this. Can Eaves be a play on a second line and not look out of place? Yes. However, being the third piece on a line with two better players is a spot many NHLers can fill. Outside of most team's top five players, there are a few players who can play that sixth spot. It usually comes down to chemistry.

Edited by WorkingOvertime, 31 December 2010 - 03:17 PM.






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