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#541 Konnan511

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Posted 03 January 2011 - 02:20 PM

Well you can probably get him for just a pick but they might want more if its from a divisional rival.

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Posted 03 January 2011 - 02:49 PM

It is embarassing to see how quick so many of you are to throw Howard under the bus. He is going through a rough patch but remember this is only his 2nd full season in the league, I would suggest he still has alot to learn but he has been brilliant for us over the last season and a half and to even suggest trading for another goalie is just absurd. Oh and Mindfly you are like driving by a bad car accident. I cant hit the ignore button with you because I can't wait to see how retarded your next post is.

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Posted 03 January 2011 - 02:59 PM

Open your eyes, buddy.

You telling someone else to open their eyes....Oh, the irony.
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Posted 03 January 2011 - 03:18 PM

It is embarassing to see how quick so many of you are to throw Howard under the bus. He is going through a rough patch but remember this is only his 2nd full season in the league, I would suggest he still has alot to learn but he has been brilliant for us over the last season and a half and to even suggest trading for another goalie is just absurd. Oh and Mindfly you are like driving by a bad car accident. I cant hit the ignore button with you because I can't wait to see how retarded your next post is.


This is why they need to play Ozzie more. Howard is no better between the pipes than Ozzie is right now. However, Ozzie has the experience. I say play him more, it may save the Wings collective butts in the playoffs.

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Posted 03 January 2011 - 03:37 PM

I am not throwing Howard under the bus, I am simply recognizing the fact that there is like 8 points that separates the Wings and 8th place, and if Howard keeps playing like he has been for the past month, the Wings will quickly find themselves at 8th place; especially without Pavs! Quite frankly, I am getting tired of the excuses for Howard every game (The D hung him out to dry, they were unstoppable shots). Guess what, it is the job of the goalie to make key saves at a key time to keep his team in the game and Howard HAS NOT been doing that... that cannot even be argued right now.

Ozzy has been fantastic for the Wings, and the Wings play better in front of him; There is NO REASON that Howard should still be given more starts than Ozzy right now. I want it split 50/50 with the better goalie starting more games near the end and into the playoffs... IMO Ozzy looks to be in the form he was a couple years when they won the Cup and the best chance for a Cup this year will have Ozzy in net. Babcock needs to be smacked in the head so he realizes this.

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Posted 03 January 2011 - 04:16 PM

Howard is slumping. It's a fact. That is not to say he's a terrible goalie. His defenders are just as bad as his ultra-attackers in this case. You don't keep playing a goalie who can't get his act together when you have a perfectly good goalie waiting in the wings. Howard needs a 2-3 game stretch off so he can spend some time with the goalie coach and retool. Then, when he comes back, let the starting position get decided naturally. I don't see what is so shocking and upsetting about this to so many people.
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Posted 03 January 2011 - 04:22 PM

I am not throwing Howard under the bus, I am simply recognizing the fact that there is like 8 points that separates the Wings and 8th place, and if Howard keeps playing like he has been for the past month, the Wings will quickly find themselves at 8th place; especially without Pavs! Quite frankly, I am getting tired of the excuses for Howard every game (The D hung him out to dry, they were unstoppable shots). Guess what, it is the job of the goalie to make key saves at a key time to keep his team in the game and Howard HAS NOT been doing that... that cannot even be argued right now.

Ozzy has been fantastic for the Wings, and the Wings play better in front of him; There is NO REASON that Howard should still be given more starts than Ozzy right now. I want it split 50/50 with the better goalie starting more games near the end and into the playoffs... IMO Ozzy looks to be in the form he was a couple years when they won the Cup and the best chance for a Cup this year will have Ozzy in net. Babcock needs to be smacked in the head so he realizes this.


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Posted 03 January 2011 - 04:22 PM

Three things:

1. Babcock needs to play Howard next game because he IS a sophomore and it may effect his confidence and then he'll pull a Tim Cheveldae. Just in case he is fragile-minded, you don't wanna mess with that.

2. Babcock SHOULD play them every other and tell them, who ever wins, gets the next start, lets make this a competition again.

3. Believe you me, you guys argue over trading for a goalie at the deadline, but if Osgood and Howard are both playing subpar, Holland will make a deal for a goalie if the right one is available. He went into the playoffs last year with a Rookie and a vet who was playing bad, you see how far that got them, he won't make that mistake again. SOmeone said it best in the Leighton thread, the NHL is about winning NOW, and if Lids does hang em up next year, Holland will want his best chance THIS year to win it. Confidant goalies are gonna make that happen, not the opposite.

4. Trade Hudler. ( I know I said three things, but I just couldn't resist!)

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Posted 03 January 2011 - 04:39 PM

I think Jimmy is letting those Degree Men's antiperspirant commercials go to his head. Pretty soon he is going to have his own brand.

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Posted 03 January 2011 - 06:15 PM

Three things:

1. Babcock needs to play Howard next game because he IS a sophomore and it may effect his confidence and then he'll pull a Tim Cheveldae. Just in case he is fragile-minded, you don't wanna mess with that.


You mean former All-Star goaltender Tim Cheveldae?

2. Babcock SHOULD play them every other and tell them, who ever wins, gets the next start, lets make this a competition again.


Basing it on winning alone is silly; if one goalie faces 15 great chances and stops 13 but loses, while the other goalie only faces 13 shots and wins, how do you determine who deserves the starts based on that?

3. Believe you me, you guys argue over trading for a goalie at the deadline, but if Osgood and Howard are both playing subpar, Holland will make a deal for a goalie if the right one is available. He went into the playoffs last year with a Rookie and a vet who was playing bad, you see how far that got them, he won't make that mistake again. SOmeone said it best in the Leighton thread, the NHL is about winning NOW, and if Lids does hang em up next year, Holland will want his best chance THIS year to win it. Confidant goalies are gonna make that happen, not the opposite.


A deal for a goalie would happen before the deadline. As far as last year; it was a rookie and a vet who wasn't playing at all.

4. Trade Hudler. ( I know I said three things, but I just couldn't resist!)


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Posted 03 January 2011 - 07:29 PM

Open your eyes, buddy.

Realizing that this post has no substance but yet your's just oozes it as well so....

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Posted 03 January 2011 - 10:31 PM

You mean former All-Star goaltender Tim Cheveldae?


Yes The same one who couldn't stop a beach ball after losing to Toronto in the first round of 1993, then was traded...


Basing it on winning alone is silly; if one goalie faces 15 great chances and stops 13 but loses, while the other goalie only faces 13 shots and wins, how do you determine who deserves the starts based on that?


I get it, so let the guy who stops 13 quality shots but still loses get the nod over the guy who stops 12 quality shots and wins... Wins = Starts, just ask Scotty Bowman

A deal for a goalie would happen before the deadline. As far as last year; it was a rookie and a vet who wasn't playing at all.


I concur, but Osgood wasn't playing because Howard WAS WINNING..... (hmmmmm, great concept.)

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Posted 04 January 2011 - 12:02 AM

Yes The same one who couldn't stop a beach ball after losing to Toronto in the first round of 1993, then was traded...


I have to figure that the "couldn't stop a beach ball" part comes more from the fact that his starting job was stolen by a rookie, as his save percentage over his career did not vary by much.

I get it, so let the guy who stops 13 quality shots but still loses get the nod over the guy who stops 12 quality shots and wins... Wins = Starts, just ask Scotty Bowman


I said one guy stops 13 great chances, and the other guy only faces 13 shots. Unless you think every shot is a quality chance, which completely changes the hypothetical situation around.


I concur, but Osgood wasn't playing because Howard WAS WINNING..... (hmmmmm, great concept.)


Osgood sat for 20+ games last season without interruption. Howard went 37-15-10; that's twelve more wins than losses. Certainly Howard wasn't playing every game due to winning the previous game.

But you seriously don't think there were points in there where Osgood could have reasonably been inserted for a game here and there, do you?

No, I have some left over for you to use to wipe Hudler's jizz off your chin....


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Posted 04 January 2011 - 12:08 AM

Open your eyes, buddy.


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