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1/4 GDT: Red Wings 5 at Oilers 3

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Great to see Bert get going. He'll probably be able to get himself a descent streak going if history has anything to say about it.

Good to see Flip keep it going. He needs to keep it going.

Osgood played well sans that crap 3rd goal. Nothing he could do about the other 2 and those saves at the end were big.

I think I'm over trying to give any grace to Hudler. Halfway through the season and he's still just terrible out there. That 2nd goal was on him in so many ways. I hope he's gone at the deadline, even if for picks. I don't want to waste $3 million on him next year again.

60 minutes? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?

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Agreed. One sloppy goal, but otherwise he was great. I'd say he should get the next start but I doubt we'll be that lucky. He's just making the saves when they need to be made.

Well, I mean, shouldn't we expect a soft goal from Osgood at this point? I mean, there have been games where he only let in one goal and it was a soft one but he still only let in one goal.

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noticed that too.. exactly what we needed tonight against oilers. the guy needs to play 17-20 min a night if possible.. what a star he is!

Even if he had AHL hands he would be at least a 30G scorer.

EDIT: His skating is so beautiful its like watching Fedorov out there with some of the moves he makes

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Ozzie 3 goals on 21 shots.

Back to normal form.

Unfair. The first two goals weren't anything he could do about. At least give him credit for staying up whereas Howard would be crawling on the ice as low as he could possibly get as soon as he saw the puck. Ozzie stays big in net. The third goal I'll grant you was crappy, but I'd rather deal with 1 crappy goal a game over Howard's 3 a game.

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Hey in another thread I said Ozzie always lets in one bad goal a game. Truth hurts sometimes :P

Hmmm... now if they only made a t-shirt that had Helm along with engage on it

Nearly every goalie gives up a bad goal a game. I don't hold 1 bad goal against a goalie. I always give them that one soft one before I get upset over it. Everybody on the ice is going to make bigger mistakes from time to time, including the goalie. Their mistakes are just a bit more obvious unless they get lucky and another player helps them out.

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Unfair. The first two goals weren't anything he could do about. At least give him credit for staying up whereas Howard would be crawling on the ice as low as he could possibly get as soon as he saw the puck. Ozzie stays big in net. The third goal I'll grant you was crappy, but I'd rather deal with 1 crappy goal a game over Howard's 3 a game.

How many did Ozzie let in today?

Nearly every goalie gives up a bad goal a game. I don't hold 1 bad goal against a goalie. I always give them that one soft one before I get upset over it. Everybody on the ice is going to make bigger mistakes from time to time, including the goalie. Their mistakes are just a bit more obvious unless they get lucky and another player helps them out.

And if we lost the game it would be because Ozzie let in a weak one. I fail to see what puts Ozzie over Howard right now when they both are letting in 3 goals against in their own way.

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How many did Ozzie let in today?

And if we lost the game it would be because Ozzie let in a weak one. I fail to see what puts Ozzie over Howard right now when they both are letting in 3 goals against in their own way.

Ozzie let in one soft goal. Howard lets in three a game, that was my point. THen there are additional goals that aren't their fault.

Therefore we have a 5-3 win with Ozzie instead of a 5-3 loss with Howard.

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Ozzie let in one soft goal. Howard lets in three a game, that was my point. THen there are additional goals that aren't their fault.

Therefore we have a 5-3 win with Ozzie instead of a 5-3 loss with Howard.

You mean the goals that are deflected or the ones that his own teammates put in are bad goals?

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How many did Ozzie let in today?

And if we lost the game it would be because Ozzie let in a weak one. I fail to see what puts Ozzie over Howard right now when they both are letting in 3 goals against in their own way.

Well, if you went back and looked at the last GDT, you'd see my response to Howard getting pulled as "Why the hell is Osgood in? This isn't on Howard." I thought it was an odd time to dump on Howard as he'd played far worse in other games, though i guess it was the straw that broke the camels back. And he hasn't been winning so well lately.

Not only that, at the very least, Howard is playing particularily below the level he showed last season and it'll be going on 2 months now real fast if something doesn't change. His record, GAA and sv. % over that time are brutal.

Meanwhile, despite coming off injury and not getting many games, Osgood has had nothing but strong outings even in losses. Look it up in the recaps and write-ups if you don't recall. Even in the losses, Osgood was praised for playing solid and doing all he could far more often than not.

He's been on the way up despite not getting much work while Howard's been on the way down, perhaps getting overworked. He hasn't looked impressive more often than not while Osgood has looked impressive and closer and closer to his old form. And again with Howard, you can clearly see his own frustration mounting and I think if anything, thats why he got pulled in the last game. Despite it not being his fault on those 2 tips, he was just losing his composure over it, probably because not much has been going right for him lately.

With Osgood playing well and Jimmy struggling, it just makes sense to balance things out again and see how it plays out down the stretch. Simple as that.

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You know...some of you people really do NOT think. So Osgood let in 3 goals out of 21 shots. Guess what...He faced the more dangerous shots agaist out of the two goalies tonight. 3 out of 21...YOu watch the game and throw out a stat like that...you did watch the game, right(Ozzie haters)? Two goals he had no chance on...3rd goal, well...stuff happens. But you are honestly going to sit there and type crap like "3 goals in 21 shots...normal form" crap, atleast know what you're talking about.

It's funny really. Ozzie could face 20 shots, 15 of them could be odd man rushes (2-1/3-1s), let in 3 goals and you'll sit there and say "3 goals in 20 shots.

I will give you Howie has been facing tipped shots and off his players skaes shots recently, but only recently (hasn't been happening for the last month and a half). Ozzie faced, what, 3 tip/redirections tonight. Zero went in.

The end of the day, it's about the quality of the shots, not the quanity... Even though he faced more shots, Khabby had it easy compared to Ozzie.

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Well, if you went back and looked at the last GDT, you'd see my response to Howard getting pulled as "Why the hell is Osgood in? This isn't on Howard." I thought it was an odd time to dump on Howard as he'd played far worse in other games, though i guess it was the straw that broke the camels back. And he hasn't been winning so well lately.

Not only that, at the very least, Howard is playing particularily below the level he showed last season and it'll be going on 2 months now real fast if something doesn't change. His record, GAA and sv. % over that time are brutal.

Meanwhile, despite coming off injury and not getting many games, Osgood has had nothing but strong outings even in losses. Look it up in the recaps and write-ups if you don't recall. Even in the losses, Osgood was praised for playing solid and doing all he could far more often than not.

He's been on the way up despite not getting much work while Howard's been on the way down, perhaps getting overworked. He hasn't looked impressive more often than not while Osgood has looked impressive and closer and closer to his old form. And again with Howard, you can clearly see his own frustration mounting and I think if anything, thats why he got pulled in the last game. Despite it not being his fault on those 2 tips, he was just losing his composure over it, probably because not much has been going right for him lately.

With Osgood playing well and Jimmy struggling, it just makes sense to balance things out again and see how it plays out down the stretch. Simple as that.

Seeing as how both goalies are damn near allowing 3 goals against every game this past month I see it as more of a bad team defense issue. For people to call out Ozzie like he is a hero these past few games is ridiculous.

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Seeing as how both goalies are damn near allowing 3 goals against every game this past month I see it as more of a bad team defense issue. For people to call out Ozzie like he is a hero these past few games is ridiculous.

Why not, though? He made key saves tonight. Two out of the three was an open man...point blank...with time to shoot...in the slot no-less. If you expect those oppertunities to be a routine save then you obviously have crazy expectations. Third goal, meh...it stunk. But he made atleast 4-5 sure goal saves tonight. The wings could have easly lost this game if he didn't make key saves (team moral is a huge thing in hockey...or any sport for that matter).

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Seeing as how both goalies are damn near allowing 3 goals against every game this past month I see it as more of a bad team defense issue. For people to call out Ozzie like he is a hero these past few games is ridiculous.

Come on... this is LGW, everything is ridiculous. Remember two months ago when these same people were calling for Ozzie's head? It's pretty simple, Ozzie screwed up on a softie, Howard's been average, and our defense hasn't been able to play a full 60, gotta work the kinks out soon, but I say Osgood's been making some big saves lately, and Howard was not. Howard's definitely working hard (imo) but things aren't hitting him and that's why we play the backup.

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1st goal against I feel like both Ericsson and Helm are to blame but moreso Ericsson. He definitely could've made a simpler play that didn't lead to a turnover in the neutral zone that led to whole unit scrambling to get back on defense. I mean, sure, the others missed assignments but I feel like it all started with that turnover.

2nd goal against it seemed like Hudler was lacking in defensive zone awareness.

3rd goal was definitely a soft one on Ozzie but Filppula is slightly responsible for losing a faceoff in the defensive zone.

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Seeing as how both goalies are damn near allowing 3 goals against every game this past month I see it as more of a bad team defense issue. For people to call out Ozzie like he is a hero these past few games is ridiculous.

Hero is certainly over the top as he still needs to keep it going, but a return to form is excellent for the Wings because as we've seen in he past, there aren't many who are better than Osgood in the playoffs lately if it comes to that. But again, you can't just go solely on the stats; you've got to look at the games too. As said, in Osgoods efforts he's been praised in the press by those ever-anxious to tear him down even in losses. Why? He's making the big saves, he's not giving up more than a soft goal a game which in my mind is right on par with what you want from your goalie as every goalie tends to give up a soft one a game.

The defense is absolutely a bigger problem, I agree. I won't argue that and I've been harping on it for almost 3 years now since...that new one...ugh...took over the defense coaching position. It's been a mess. Last year Howard played well despite it. This year he's taken their hits all while beginning to struggle personally as well. His bad habits have gotten worse and guys are figuring out how to better exploit them. I've said again and again that he's not playing as poorly as some suggest, but he's simply not playing well enough, and Osgood is outplaying him on the ice, and his recent stats are better as well.

Personally, i think we should be happy that Osgood's getting his game back because again, when he's on, we've seen what he's capable of when it matters most. And this is just Howards 2nd year. If we can say anything, we can say that it's clear that he still has more to learn. Watching Osgood actually do his thing will be good for him.

I guarantee you Osgood's not as down as Howard after this game despite having a comparable 2 defense/1 softie situation to deal with. He shook off the 3rd goal and came back with some really big saves in the end to hold the lead. Howard was losing it after the 2nd goal let alone the 3rd on Sunday. This is a big trial for him personally, make no mistake. What better way for him to learn how to deal with it then by getting a chance to relax a bit and observe how a 400-win goalie with 3 Cup rings does it?

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