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[darkmanx]

OMGZZZZ!11!!!1

CANDA >>> WORLDZ IN HOCKEY!!!11!! Truestory!!!

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Edited by darkmanx, 06 January 2011 - 09:01 PM.

[rrasco]

This is one last point I want to clear up, Canadians dont think they own hockey. Canadians think they are the best at it, and I dont think this statement is wrong over the course of time. Same with football in the states, Lacrosse in Canada, Brazil in soccer etc. Certain countries are just dominant in certain sports and Canada is the country that dominates hockey the most.

Oh so now you think you're the best at lacrosse, too?

[HankthaTank]

Friggen hosers!

[esteef]

It's not the expectation to win that makes fans arrogant a-holes, it's the manner in which that expectation is carried out verbally and otherwise.

Cheers to the Ruskies!
esteef

Edited by esteef, 06 January 2011 - 10:04 PM.

[rrasco]

I just had the best idea on how to settle this. Who has NHL 11 for Xbox?

[darkmanx]

I just had the best idea on how to settle this. Who has NHL 11 for Xbox?

I played on Team Canada twice today on NHL 11 and we won against the Russians but lost against the USA. weird.

[rrasco]

Do you play online?

[sibiriak]

No its not that we should clearly win every tournament. But what I dont get is why Canadians are considered arrogant for thinking they should win most hockey tournaments they enter. Look at the stats.

Its been said in this thread, look at all the wins Canada has compared to other countries, they won 5 world juniors in a row and then Canadians get called arrogant for expected to win the tournament.

If the states won 5 in a row you guys wouldn't go into the next tournament expecting to win? The states won last year and most Americans thought they had this tourney pretty well in the bag.

I have never said canada should win every tournament because we own the sport or anything like that. But I do expect them to finish well and anything that is less then gold is a disappointment because of their track ercord in these tourneys.

Canadians should not be called arrogant for expecting to win gold every tournament or at least medal. Canadians expect it because they usually do in fact medal.

This is why I dont get the whole Canadians are arrogant thing, what is arrogant about expecting to win because you usually do?

Its just annoying constantly hearing oh those arrogant Canadians and frustrating when they usually do. Leading into Vancouver Canadians thought we were gonna win and were called arrogant for thinking that, but then we won. So is it arrogant or just maybe Canadian teams do in fact do pretty well most tourneys

I just couldn't resist. I'd never have thought that I would need to explain to a Canadian (them being known as humble polite self-effacing chaps, usually) that saying "we should win this tourney" IS arrogant, while saying "we think we have a good chance to win this tourney" is polite and doesn't raise everyone elses' hackles.
It's not arrogant to believe that you'll win.
It IS arrogant to say that publically before the fact. /end etiquet lesson

[sibiriak]

Finally an American who doesn't just say youre arrogant and has an argument.

While these are good points, Russia sent professionals to every olympics while no other country could until 1998 in Nagano. Since Nagano Canada has 50% of the gold medals.

For the worlds, russia has the KHL where some great players play and can all be sent. Canada's best forward usually sent to the worlds is Shane Doan and usually another player of around that calibre. Russia sends most of their best players to that tourney.

With a level playing field in the juniors (not even that fair) and olympics, Canada has the edge in my mind by quite a bit

Really, no one outside Canada really cares how the Canadian team is selected. Whatever the excuses, the team in the OG or WC is the best team Canada managed to assemble at that time. So when they win, credit goes to them, and when they lose, credit goes to the winners.
If hockey actually is a religion in Canada, then I don't understand why the NHL stops for Christmas and not for the WC or WJC .

[newfy]

I just couldn't resist. I'd never have thought that I would need to explain to a Canadian (them being known as humble polite self-effacing chaps, usually) that saying "we should win this tourney" IS arrogant, while saying "we think we have a good chance to win this tourney" is polite and doesn't raise everyone elses' hackles.
It's not arrogant to believe that you'll win.
It IS arrogant to say that publically before the fact. /end etiquet lesson

You honestly think over the last few years it is arrogant of a Canadian to say we should probably win this world junior?

Last 7 years 5 gold, 1 silver where they lost by a goal and 1 silver where they lost by 2 goals. That isn't arrogance that is probability. Why is this so hard to understand for some people. How can you not say looking at those stats that Canada should win the tournament and are favourites to win? Am I missing something here?

[kook_10]

You honestly think over the last few years it is arrogant of a Canadian to say we should probably win this world junior?

Last 7 years 5 gold, 1 silver where they lost by a goal and 1 silver where they lost by 2 goals. That isn't arrogance that is probability. Why is this so hard to understand for some people. How can you not say looking at those stats that Canada should win the tournament and are favourites to win? Am I missing something here?

FWIW I think everyone is going overkill with this business, but simply put: conveying probability = "we will probably win"; conveying entitlement = "we should win"; conveying arrogance = "we will win". I don't believe the people speaking the words put as much meaning in them as the people hearing them.

Edited by kook_10, 06 January 2011 - 11:14 PM.

[sibiriak]

You honestly think over the last few years it is arrogant of a Canadian to say we should probably win this world junior?

Last 7 years 5 gold, 1 silver where they lost by a goal and 1 silver where they lost by 2 goals. That isn't arrogance that is probability. Why is this so hard to understand for some people. How can you not say looking at those stats that Canada should win the tournament and are favourites to win? Am I missing something here?

Again, Canadians have all the reasons in the world to THINK that they'll win. But what comes across as arrogant, is SAYING so ALOUD before the tournament even starts. Or even worse saying so after having lost
Basic Sportsmanship 101: Be humble, do not toot your own horn, do not brag BEFORE the game, just humbly accept praise AFTER you've actually won.

And yes, I was slightly embarassed by all the goings on after the Russian win. But they are still kids and they did just pulled a miracle. So they get a pass from me for that.

[Tane]

I said it last year, and I'll say it again this year. As a canadian, I really can't put too much stock into what our junior team does at this tournament. Recent trends have a lot of NHL teams carrying 18 and 19 year old players on thier rosters throughout the year, instead of keeping them down to develop.

Look at some of the players that we could have had in the lineup.

Matt Duchene (19) - One of colorado's Top Offensive players.
John Tavares (19) - How good would he have been in this tournament?
Taylor Hall (18) - Busy leading his team in goals in the NHL
Evander Kane (19) - Scoring Goals at the NHL level.
Ryan O'Reily (19) played 81 games for the Avalanche last year,
Tyler Seguin (18) 2nd overall pick, Playing full time For the Bruins
Brandon Gormley, (18) Defenceman, Injured.
Jeff Skinner (18) Just leading NHL rookies in Scoring right now. No big deal, woulnd't have helped much....right?

This year's team was incredibly deep on the Blueline. We lost a player that would have made the team, and been one of the top 2 D-men with Ryan Ellis, but was injured.

Other than that, Canada's forwards would have been

E.Kane - Tavares - Hall
O'Reiley - Seguin - Skinner
Duchene - B.Schenn - Ryan Johanson
Curtis Hamilton - Connolly - Kassian

2 of the players that made the WJC all star team, would have been 3rd liners. only 5 of our forwards would have made the team. Our 2nd leading goal scorer would have been on the 4th line. In a true under 20 tournament, there's no question, we would have won every game by 4-5 goals. I'd have the same reaction had we won the tournament.

Russia's top under 20 players were in the tournament, scoring goals, making a great comeback. Over half of Canada's best players under 20 were playing in the NHL that week. take a look at the 09 draft. Canada's first round players are in the NHL. This Team is made up mostly of canadian players that were taken in rounds 3-5.

Who has the Best hockey talent under 20 in the world? Canada. It can't be argued. This is just an entertaining little tournament that we have fun watching for a week, during the holidays, and get a chance to see next years rookies, all performing on the same stage. I really hardly put any importance into who wins or loses these.

The only other team that can make a claim to be missing several NHL caliber players is Sweden. But not as many, and not to the same Caliber as Canada.

[darkmanx]

Do you play online?

yep.

[sibiriak]

I said it last year, and I'll say it again this year. As a canadian, I really can't put too much stock into what our junior team does at this tournament. Recent trends have a lot of NHL teams carrying 18 and 19 year old players on thier rosters throughout the year, instead of keeping them down to develop.

Look at some of the players that we could have had in the lineup.

Matt Duchene (19) - One of colorado's Top Offensive players.
John Tavares (19) - How good would he have been in this tournament?
Taylor Hall (18) - Busy leading his team in goals in the NHL
Evander Kane (19) - Scoring Goals at the NHL level.
Ryan O'Reily (19) played 81 games for the Avalanche last year,
Tyler Seguin (18) 2nd overall pick, Playing full time For the Bruins
Brandon Gormley, (18) Defenceman, Injured.
Jeff Skinner (18) Just leading NHL rookies in Scoring right now. No big deal, woulnd't have helped much....right?

This year's team was incredibly deep on the Blueline. We lost a player that would have made the team, and been one of the top 2 D-men with Ryan Ellis, but was injured.

Other than that, Canada's forwards would have been

E.Kane - Tavares - Hall
O'Reiley - Seguin - Skinner
Duchene - B.Schenn - Ryan Johanson
Curtis Hamilton - Connolly - Kassian

2 of the players that made the WJC all star team, would have been 3rd liners. only 5 of our forwards would have made the team. Our 2nd leading goal scorer would have been on the 4th line. In a true under 20 tournament, there's no question, we would have won every game by 4-5 goals. I'd have the same reaction had we won the tournament.

Russia's top under 20 players were in the tournament, scoring goals, making a great comeback. Over half of Canada's best players under 20 were playing in the NHL that week. take a look at the 09 draft. Canada's first round players are in the NHL. This Team is made up mostly of canadian players that were taken in rounds 3-5.

Who has the Best hockey talent under 20 in the world? Canada. It can't be argued. This is just an entertaining little tournament that we have fun watching for a week, during the holidays, and get a chance to see next years rookies, all performing on the same stage. I really hardly put any importance into who wins or loses these.

The only other team that can make a claim to be missing several NHL caliber players is Sweden. But not as many, and not to the same Caliber as Canada.

What happened to the usual Canadian mantra of "we could have put 3 equally good teams on the ice"?
Save the ifs and the buts for NHL2011 on the XBox.
Canada sent the team it did, that team was very good, good enough to dominate Russia for 1 1/2 games. The reason they lost wasn't lack of talent. In Quebec Sr Canadian WC team laid almost as big an egg leading by 2 goals and losing in the final.
You lost. Deal with it. I can respect a Canadian saying: "We'll get you next year". And you quite likely will. But quit this excuse-mongering.
You send the best team you can to every tournament. Other countries have their own problems, and they send the best teams they can. The very best team at that moment in time is the one who won gold. By the time the next tournament rolls along, everyone starts from the same level again. C'est la vie.

[cusimano_brothers]

All the tiny soap bars and shampoo they stole from the hotel fetch a hefty price on the black market. When they get back home, they should all be forced to play in the KHL.

[newfy]

What happened to the usual Canadian mantra of "we could have put 3 equally good teams on the ice"?
Save the ifs and the buts for NHL2011 on the XBox.
Canada sent the team it did, that team was very good, good enough to dominate Russia for 1 1/2 games. The reason they lost wasn't lack of talent. In Quebec Sr Canadian WC team laid almost as big an egg leading by 2 goals and losing in the final.
You lost. Deal with it. I can respect a Canadian saying: "We'll get you next year". And you quite likely will. But quit this excuse-mongering.
You send the best team you can to every tournament. Other countries have their own problems, and they send the best teams they can. The very best team at that moment in time is the one who won gold. By the time the next tournament rolls along, everyone starts from the same level again. C'est la vie.

You actually think russias best could beat the team tane listed?

[rrasco]

yep.

We'll have to suit it up for some USA vs Canada action and settle this once and for all!

Edited by rrasco, 07 January 2011 - 12:36 PM.

[Original-Six]

[sibiriak]

You actually think russias best could beat the team tane listed?

Well, they didn't have to, because that team wasn't there. Russians beat the team that Canada did send and got gold medals to show for it.

In the hypothetical, I really don't think it would have made all that much of a difference. Lack of skill, especially on offense, wasn't the problem for Canada in the gold medal game. They scored 9 goals in 2 games on the Russians. Your team choked, team defense and goaltending broke down in the 3rd period. The same exact team had no problem dominating Russia in the round robin game and in the first half of the final. Unless you had an Yzerman-type leader to put on this team, no amount of skill would have saved you. And a better psychologist for a coach wouldn't have hurt.

So lick your wounds, Canada, accept your inferiority for the moment, and come back stronger next year.
You are usually good at that.

Edited by sibiriak, 07 January 2011 - 01:04 PM.