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#61 Heroes of Hockeytown

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Posted 08 January 2011 - 08:34 AM

Kostopulous ought to be suspended but it would only be a symbolic gesture. He's a fourth line nobody on a garbage team that's not going to make the playoffs, and aren't even going to play the Wings again this season. Any suspension will have absolutely zero affect on anybody anywhere.

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Posted 08 January 2011 - 09:05 AM

That was a brutal hit.And a sure suspension sometimes that just is not good enough A good old ass beating was needed !What is Joey Kocur up to now days? :scared:

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Posted 08 January 2011 - 09:09 AM

This isn't about enforcing, IMO. As a teammate and as a man, if you see that happen, you (try to) f*** the dude up. If you don't think you can take the guy, cross-check him in the teeth first. Do something


The part I bolded really popped out for me. I can't decide what to think about that. Funny thing this game of hockey. No one likes to see violence on the street or at home, but most people who watch hockey wants to see two clans of cavemen clash. I enjoy watching hockey fights, especially the ones from the rivalry with Avs, but I'm not sure I'd be able to convince myself that what the players are doing is manly.

What's manly in hockey changes all the time. I think it was Sami Salo who wore neck protection for a short time, but stopped 'cause his teammates were ripping him. I wouldn't be surprised if in twenty years everyone in the league would wear neck protection and visors.

Could it be that "a man" is someone who denies his animal instincts and the pressure of the crowd, teammates and traditions and just doesn't choose to hurt another person because what they're doing is just playing a game? Professional grown up hockey players are allowed to live a kid's dream in front of huge crowds and get more money for it than most people. Acting like an adult is quite far away from the situation they are in, at least when they are away from their personal lives.

I really don't know and I admit that I'm thinking too much. Hockey is about fun and childishness and definitely not about philosophy. Entertainment is best when it makes us forget our lives and now I'm mixing normal life with hockey. Normal life doesn't count inside a hockey rink. Still players can't completely forget how they act outside the rink and just mindlessly attact someone. I'm not surprised that the most violent players usually have problems in their personal lives, while you really couldn't imagine Lidström, Yzerman or Larionov in a bar fight.

One thing is for sure: if I ever met Kostopoulos, I wouldn't shake his freaking hand.

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Posted 08 January 2011 - 09:28 AM

Why are you guys saying out for season? Not a chance, cleary only missed 19 games people. Stuart out 20 games MAX.


Every time there is an inury we get these post. "I knew a guy that broke his jaw and never played again." or "I broke my jaw once when playing hockey and I was out for 2 years" or "4-6 weeks no way, it will be at least 3 years".

Give it a break people. Nobody on here has any detailed knowledge of the injury so WE DON'T KNOW how long he will be out. Stop with all the frickin negativity already.

If Cleary missed 19 games which is about 6 weeks, not having any further info, I'd expect Staurt to miss about the same. Fortunately, part of this time period includes the all star break so he might not miss 19 games but the time period is probably about the same. Incidently, the Wings typically play around 15 games a month.
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Posted 08 January 2011 - 09:33 AM

The part I bolded really popped out for me. I can't decide what to think about that. Funny thing this game of hockey. No one likes to see violence on the street or at home, but most people who watch hockey wants to see two clans of cavemen clash. I enjoy watching hockey fights, especially the ones from the rivalry with Avs, but I'm not sure I'd be able to convince myself that what the players are doing is manly.

What's manly in hockey changes all the time. I think it was Sami Salo who wore neck protection for a short time, but stopped 'cause his teammates were ripping him. I wouldn't be surprised if in twenty years everyone in the league would wear neck protection and visors.

Could it be that "a man" is someone who denies his animal instincts and the pressure of the crowd, teammates and traditions and just doesn't choose to hurt another person because what they're doing is just playing a game? Professional grown up hockey players are allowed to live a kid's dream in front of huge crowds and get more money for it than most people. Acting like an adult is quite far away from the situation they are in, at least when they are away from their personal lives.

I really don't know and I admit that I'm thinking too much. Hockey is about fun and childishness and definitely not about philosophy. Entertainment is best when it makes us forget our lives and now I'm mixing normal life with hockey. Normal life doesn't count inside a hockey rink. Still players can't completely forget how they act outside the rink and just mindlessly attact someone. I'm not surprised that the most violent players usually have problems in their personal lives, while you really couldn't imagine Lidström, Yzerman or Larionov in a bar fight.

One thing is for sure: if I ever met Kostopoulos, I wouldn't shake his freaking hand.


Well said. Hockey is the only sport besides boxing in which you will see a genuine fight. There are people that watch it just for that reason. I'm not saying that is good or bad just that it is a fact. The game has changed. Teams rarely win anymore by intimidating their opponents.
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Posted 08 January 2011 - 10:17 AM

Damn someone on this team needed to man up and whip someones ass.Instead they just prefer to look the other way.They should be feel ashamed. :thumbdown:

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Posted 08 January 2011 - 10:20 AM

The part I bolded really popped out for me. I can't decide what to think about that. Funny thing this game of hockey. No one likes to see violence on the street or at home, but most people who watch hockey wants to see two clans of cavemen clash. I enjoy watching hockey fights, especially the ones from the rivalry with Avs, but I'm not sure I'd be able to convince myself that what the players are doing is manly.

What's manly in hockey changes all the time. I think it was Sami Salo who wore neck protection for a short time, but stopped 'cause his teammates were ripping him. I wouldn't be surprised if in twenty years everyone in the league would wear neck protection and visors.

Could it be that "a man" is someone who denies his animal instincts and the pressure of the crowd, teammates and traditions and just doesn't choose to hurt another person because what they're doing is just playing a game? Professional grown up hockey players are allowed to live a kid's dream in front of huge crowds and get more money for it than most people. Acting like an adult is quite far away from the situation they are in, at least when they are away from their personal lives.

I really don't know and I admit that I'm thinking too much. Hockey is about fun and childishness and definitely not about philosophy. Entertainment is best when it makes us forget our lives and now I'm mixing normal life with hockey. Normal life doesn't count inside a hockey rink. Still players can't completely forget how they act outside the rink and just mindlessly attact someone. I'm not surprised that the most violent players usually have problems in their personal lives, while you really couldn't imagine Lidström, Yzerman or Larionov in a bar fight.

One thing is for sure: if I ever met Kostopoulos, I wouldn't shake his freaking hand.


I suppose I should've said "as a person." I wasn't trying to say that it's unmanly to not retaliate, just that I don't understand how any person could stand by after something like that happens to a friend. And I'm sure there are people that feel the opposite.

You do make good points though, and have gotten me thinking.

Edited by SeeinRed, 08 January 2011 - 10:22 AM.

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Posted 08 January 2011 - 10:22 AM

Calgary fans are morons, they watch their team clutch, grab, and blatantly interfere then ***** about the refs being against them, they defend what Noodles did to Franzen. If you think this is out of character for their fans you really haven't spent much time around them.

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Posted 08 January 2011 - 10:27 AM

I can't believe nobody on the wings flattened the guy who did this to Stuart--pretty sad...pussified wings

Edited by dicksmack, 08 January 2011 - 10:28 AM.

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Posted 08 January 2011 - 10:38 AM

The part I bolded really popped out for me. I can't decide what to think about that. Funny thing this game of hockey. No one likes to see violence on the street or at home, but most people who watch hockey wants to see two clans of cavemen clash. I enjoy watching hockey fights, especially the ones from the rivalry with Avs, but I'm not sure I'd be able to convince myself that what the players are doing is manly.

What's manly in hockey changes all the time. I think it was Sami Salo who wore neck protection for a short time, but stopped 'cause his teammates were ripping him. I wouldn't be surprised if in twenty years everyone in the league would wear neck protection and visors.

Could it be that "a man" is someone who denies his animal instincts and the pressure of the crowd, teammates and traditions and just doesn't choose to hurt another person because what they're doing is just playing a game? Professional grown up hockey players are allowed to live a kid's dream in front of huge crowds and get more money for it than most people. Acting like an adult is quite far away from the situation they are in, at least when they are away from their personal lives.

I really don't know and I admit that I'm thinking too much. Hockey is about fun and childishness and definitely not about philosophy. Entertainment is best when it makes us forget our lives and now I'm mixing normal life with hockey. Normal life doesn't count inside a hockey rink. Still players can't completely forget how they act outside the rink and just mindlessly attact someone. I'm not surprised that the most violent players usually have problems in their personal lives, while you really couldn't imagine Lidström, Yzerman or Larionov in a bar fight.

One thing is for sure: if I ever met Kostopoulos, I wouldn't shake his freaking hand.


Helluva response. It is a game, not life. The guys have to know going in that they can be blind-sided by out-of-control players. As much as I'm outraged by what happened to Stuart, I either can't take it all too seriously, or I hope and pray that those who are supposedly in charge of overall refereeing, do their job consistently and fairly.

Edited by Vladifan, 08 January 2011 - 10:39 AM.

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Posted 08 January 2011 - 10:40 AM

Brutal. The freak injuries keep on coming. Broken bones aren't old age (these guys are on pretty strict diets) or from poor physical training... it's just bad luck. :thumbdown:
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Posted 08 January 2011 - 10:47 AM

I suppose I should've said "as a person." I wasn't trying to say that it's unmanly to not retaliate, just that I don't understand how any person could stand by after something like that happens to a friend. And I'm sure there are people that feel the opposite.

You do make good points though, and have gotten me thinking.



I understand. The first reaction for most would be to check if your friend is OK or to attack the person who attacked your friend. I often make myself sound too analytical while I like many others wonder why Abdelkader didn't give Kostopoulos some feedback if he really was on the ice.

I admire Wings ability to stay cool no matter what and that's the best way for a skilled puck handling team to win games. When something like this happens though it leaves many people disappointed.

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Posted 08 January 2011 - 10:52 AM

Kostopoulos has 628 NHL (does not include AHL) penalty minutes since '05. That includes 19 penalties in two short stints with the Penguins between '01 and'03. I found this on NHL.com. And in the write-up of last night's game, that hit was not mentioned.

EDIT: I should have said "19 penalty minutes". Not that it really matters, but somebody's gotta play fair, eh? :angry:

Edited by Vladifan, 08 January 2011 - 12:55 PM.

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Posted 08 January 2011 - 10:58 AM

The NHL is cool. They are all over hooking calls 200 feet from the play, but can't even correctly call an intentional headshot that results in an injury. There better be a lengthy suspension for this, yet somehow I doubt it.

Stuart is so damn reliable back there. More minutes now for Lidstrom and Rafalski, which isn't ideal as we need them both as fresh as possible for the playoffs. These past two seasons have been a disaster.

Also, who cares if we have an enforcer there? Stuart is still out with an injury so I don't feel any better if someone beats the s*** out of Kostopoulis AFTER the fact.

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Posted 08 January 2011 - 11:01 AM

ah goddammit.
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Posted 08 January 2011 - 11:24 AM

A buddy told me he was out for the season he heard. So i ran straight to hear to get the scoop but haven't seen anything on time out. Does anyone know?
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Posted 08 January 2011 - 11:28 AM

Unreal.

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Posted 08 January 2011 - 11:30 AM

The NHL is cool. They are all over hooking calls 200 feet from the play, but can't even correctly call an intentional headshot that results in an injury. There better be a lengthy suspension for this, yet somehow I doubt it.

Stuart is so damn reliable back there. More minutes now for Lidstrom and Rafalski, which isn't ideal as we need them both as fresh as possible for the playoffs. These past two seasons have been a disaster.

Also, who cares if we have an enforcer there? Stuart is still out with an injury so I don't feel any better if someone beats the s*** out of Kostopoulis AFTER the fact.


You don't need an enforcer to stick up for your teammates. I realize that Stuart put himself in a vulnerable position by taking like 3 swats at a floating puck ( Lidstrom he aint) but that hit was vicious and an example of the kind of thing that the NHL says they are trying to eliminate from the game. Hockey is a sport where very serious injuries can occur when players take advantage of each other like this and you need to stick together as a team and protect your guys.


If you are a team like the Canucks, or any other division leader, just injure the Wings' players, they won't anything do but wave their finger at you!

Edited by dicksmack, 08 January 2011 - 11:34 AM.

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Posted 08 January 2011 - 11:42 AM

If you are a team like the Canucks, or any other division leader, just injure the Wings' players, they won't anything do but wave their finger at you!



Well, it would their middle finger, so they're trying! :D Seriously, though, Gutlesspuke's (thank you, Harold) hit on Stuart is indefensible by Calgary or the league, if they were stand-up and not the biased morons that they are, in fact. Puke should have to sit out as long as Stuart is unable to play. Wish I ran the league, but I don't.

I can't picture one of our guys doing something like this, but can you imagine the repercussions and punishments and front-page headlines it would make, if they ever did something this dirty?

I prefer my revenge served cold -- like, Calgary missing the playoffs. Yes, that will do. :cool:

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Posted 08 January 2011 - 11:48 AM

From the tweets:

@Real_ESPNLeBrun- Kostopoulus waived his right for in-person hearing with league. Which I suspect means at least 5 games.







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