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#61 newfy

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Posted 12 January 2011 - 11:48 AM

The HF Wings board? See, they say the same thing about LGW. I don't know who to believe.

I post on both. HF is way better for discussing prospects, grand rapids and there is much less homerism because fans of other teams can chime in. Sometimes the homerism here gets sickening and makes it hard to have a real hockey talk.

Here I think there is a lot better talk about the actual wings and their organization which is good too.

I dont really like one more then the other, but I do think the people who say "Oh this one is garbage blah blah blah" havent really gave the other a fair shake or dont really know what theyre talking about.

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Posted 12 January 2011 - 01:09 PM

To me it depends on what exactly you consider a two-way player.

Dats is going to make more plays and get you more points, while still being great defensively. Zetterberg won't make quite as many plays or score as many points, but he's the better shutdown guy of the two.


Zetterberg was 3 points behind Datsyuk at the end of the night the last game Datsyuk played. 12-24-36 in 33 games for Z against 12-27-39 for Dats. Since Dats went down, Z has scored 4-9-13 in 10 games, which projects to 13-30-43 over 33 games.

Z has been making great offensive plays all season, no matter who he's with, no matter the situation. People were saying his scoring would drop without Datsyuk; instead it's increased by 20%. Z is Datsyuk's equal offensively, and better defensively. It's like the Yzerman/Fedorov situation. If the Wings never drafted Fedorov, Yzerman would have kept on scoring 100 points, even with an improved defensive game. Why? Because it would have been necessary for him to drive the offensive engine. In the 90s, the offense was shifted to Fedorov as the primary force. Yzerman was the secondary offensive force, and was used as a skilled matchup center in much the same fashion that Z is used by the Wings when the twins are split, or how Flip has been used this season. It took away from his offensive performance but his top-end skill, experience, and clutch play led to more wins for the team.

Realistically the best two-way player is Lidstrom, but this thread is really about forwards, so he doesn't really apply.

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Posted 12 January 2011 - 01:20 PM

Ewwwwwww... change the title. I think you dragged some HF smell over here with this thread.

Although, my favorite assessment was the guy that said that Crosby is the best player in the league, and plays 2-way hockey... so therefore, he is the best two-way player in the NHL. Greatest logic ever.


the only defensive hockey crosby plays is he learned how to win faceoffs in the offseason. whoever said he's the best 2-way player in the game is af****** un-educated piece of penguin blowing retard. can i say retard here?

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Posted 12 January 2011 - 01:21 PM

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Posted 12 January 2011 - 01:31 PM

I post on both. HF is way better for discussing prospects, grand rapids and there is much less homerism because fans of other teams can chime in. Sometimes the homerism here gets sickening and makes it hard to have a real hockey talk.

Here I think there is a lot better talk about the actual wings and their organization which is good too.

I dont really like one more then the other, but I do think the people who say "Oh this one is garbage blah blah blah" havent really gave the other a fair shake or dont really know what theyre talking about.


you want a bad case of homerism...go to tsn.ca and look at all the canucks fans express their overboard man love on "your call" for kesler saying he might be the best player in the NHL. good read if you need a laugh. polls are only good if you do a poll where your favorite players/team aren't involved in it, cause homerism will always come in to play. for example, the best Dman in the NHL is Lidstrom, best 2 way fwd is Dats or Z. Best goalie in the NHL...i'd take Henrik Lundqvist right now. so 2 out of 3 are wings...homer or not, i may not be wrong unless you ask a pens or canucks fan.

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Posted 12 January 2011 - 01:49 PM

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That is GOLD! He grins because he has to admit it. That is awesome!

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Posted 12 January 2011 - 01:57 PM

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Awesome. After his contract in Pittsburgh is over hes going to sign with the Wings, Zetterberg influence. :hehe:

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Posted 12 January 2011 - 02:26 PM

Not that I ever had anything against Crosby in the first place, beyond his occasional DBery and diving, but he just went up a few notches in my book.

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Posted 12 January 2011 - 02:35 PM

That smirk means Parise is codename for Datsyuk. Subliminal messages all over the place!!! :ninja:

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Posted 12 January 2011 - 02:51 PM

That smirk means Parise is codename for Datsyuk. Subliminal messages all over the place!!! :ninja:

Yup!!! He has straight man love for The Hank. Maybe not straight judging by the grin but you better believe he wants Z on his team. See: EVERY SINGLE GAME THEY PLAY
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Posted 12 January 2011 - 04:11 PM

Yup!!! He has straight man love for The Hank. Maybe not straight judging by the grin but you better believe he wants Z on his team. See: EVERY SINGLE GAME THEY PLAY



I don't want Hank on his team, if you catch my drift.

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Posted 12 January 2011 - 04:18 PM

I don't want Hank on his team, if you catch my drift.

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Posted 12 January 2011 - 05:36 PM

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...Yeah I don't buy it. Something sinister is going on. Maybe he's trying to give Z some bad publicity or something. Fans are going to think, "Oh yeah! Zetterberg is cool!... Wait, why isn't he at the all-star game?... What??? What a ******!"

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Posted 12 January 2011 - 07:41 PM

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I'm actually a little surprised he said Z. In post game interviews in the past I've felt like Crosby rarely credits his opponent for beating them, instead making it sound as if they lost.

I guess given the wars with Zetterberg he had two playoffs in a row, he has some respect underneath those crosscheck's to Z's back. :P

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Posted 12 January 2011 - 08:17 PM

wow that was surprisingly AWESOME!

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Posted 12 January 2011 - 08:32 PM

I'm actually a little surprised he said Z. In post game interviews in the past I've felt like Crosby rarely credits his opponent for beating them, instead making it sound as if they lost.


I'm shocked too. That's honestly the first time I've ever heard him give another player credit for, well, anything.

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Posted 13 January 2011 - 12:19 PM

I'm shocked too. That's honestly the first time I've ever heard him give another player credit for, well, anything.


Does this mean that the NHL will be introducing a new award, The Crosby's Favorite Player trophy?

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Posted 13 January 2011 - 01:01 PM

Does this mean that the NHL will be introducing a new award, The Crosby's Favorite Player trophy?


That trophy is presented by the commissioner to the winner every weekend, and despite how relatively common it is to win, the winner always kisses it...a lot.
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Posted 13 January 2011 - 04:35 PM


Zetterberg was 3 points behind Datsyuk at the end of the night the last game Datsyuk played. 12-24-36 in 33 games for Z against 12-27-39 for Dats. Since Dats went down, Z has scored 4-9-13 in 10 games, which projects to 13-30-43 over 33 games.

Z has been making great offensive plays all season, no matter who he's with, no matter the situation. People were saying his scoring would drop without Datsyuk; instead it's increased by 20%. Z is Datsyuk's equal offensively, and better defensively. It's like the Yzerman/Fedorov situation. If the Wings never drafted Fedorov, Yzerman would have kept on scoring 100 points, even with an improved defensive game. Why? Because it would have been necessary for him to drive the offensive engine. In the 90s, the offense was shifted to Fedorov as the primary force. Yzerman was the secondary offensive force, and was used as a skilled matchup center in much the same fashion that Z is used by the Wings when the twins are split, or how Flip has been used this season. It took away from his offensive performance but his top-end skill, experience, and clutch play led to more wins for the team.

Realistically the best two-way player is Lidstrom, but this thread is really about forwards, so he doesn't really apply.


I have to disagree that Z's Datsyuk's equal offensively. He's just a bit below Datsyuk's level. In the playoffs hsi game translates much better, though, and in that area I'd say Z's definitely a superior player. The brand of hockey Zetterberg plays is perfectly suited to the playoffs.

Datsyuk is just a flashier player. His puck skills are so impressive on both ends of the ice it's hard not to be dazzled by him. Zetterberg's always been a lower-key kind of guy and that's part of it.
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Posted 13 January 2011 - 05:38 PM

Does this mean that the NHL will be introducing a new award, The Crosby's Favorite Player trophy?


I'm picturing a bronze statue of Gary Bettman's rear-end with Crosby's lips moving towards it. Along with a mirror image of the opposite (Bettman smooching towards Crosby's) connected to the statue.
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