Konnan511 1,736 Report post Posted January 21, 2011 has anyone looked through nabbys agents clients and seen who is going to be a free agent at the end of the season? The way i see it, if nabby doesnt end up a wing, his agent owes us a favor (because getting nabby back in the NHL is cash in his pocket as well) and could maybe convince a player he represents to to resign and come to the wings. all that aside, i really dont see him becoming a wing. He basically represents everyone LOL Justin Abdelkader, Detroit Red Wings Luke Adam, Buffalo Sabres Colby Armstrong, Toronto Maple Leafs Jason Arnott, New Jersey Devils Alex Auld, Montreal Canadiens Keith Aulie, Toronto Maple Leafs Sean Avery, New York Rangers Dave Backes, St. Louis Blues Josh Bailey, New York Islanders Jay Beagle, Washington Capitals Todd Bertuzzi, Detroit Red Wings Paul Bissonnette, Phoenix Coyotes Francis Bouillon, Nashville Predators Drayson Bowman, Carolina Hurricanes Dustin Boyd, Montreal Canadiens Darryl Boyce, Toronto Maple Leafs Tyler Bozak, Toronto Maple Leafs Tim Brent, Toronto Maple Leafs Eric Brewer, St. Louis Blues Mike Brodeur, Ottawa Senators Troy Brouwer, Chicago Blackhawks Ilya Bryzgalov, Phoenix Coyotes Gregory Campbell, Boston Bruins Luca Caputi, Toronto Maple Leafs Daniel Carcillo, Philadelphia Flyers Brett Carson, Carolina Hurricanes Erik Christensen, New York Rangers David Clarkson, New Jersey Devils Cal Clutterbuck. Minnesota Wild Mike Commodore, Columbus Blue Jackets Matt Cooke, Pittsburgh Penguins Matt Corrente, New Jersey Devils Ryan Craig, Tampa Bay Lightning Matt Cullen, Minnesota Wild Michael Del Zotto, New York Rangers Drew Doughty, Los Angeles Kings Jordan Eberle, Edmonton Oilers Matt Ellis, Buffalo Sabres Steve Eminger, New York Rangers Jonathan Ericsson, Detroit Red Wings John Erskine, Washington Capitals Justin Falk, Minnesota Wild Eric Fehr, Washington Capitals Nikita Filatov. Columbus Blue Jackets Nick Foligno, Ottawa Senators Alexander Frolov, New York Rangers Dan Girardi, New York Rangers Tim Gleason, Carolina Hurricanes Mike Green, Washington Capitals Matt Greene, Los Angeles Kings Nicklas Grossman, Dallas Stars Matt Halischuk, Nashville Predators Dan Hamhuis, Vancouver Canucks Travis Hamonic, New York Islanders Scott Hannan, Washington Capitals Martin Hanzal, Phoenix Coyotes Josh Harding, Minnesota Wild Kristian Huselius, Columbus Blue Jackets Patric Hornqvist, Nashville Predators Jarome Iginla, Calgary Flames Ed Jovanovski, Phoenix Coyotes Ryan Jones, Edmonton Oilers Erik Karlsson, Ottawa Senators Evander Kane, Atlanta Thrashers Chris Kelly, Ottawa Senators Phil Kessel, Toronto Maple Leafs Andrei Kostitsyn, Montreal Canadiens Sergei Kostitsyn, Nashville Predators Maxim Lapierre, Anaheim Ducks Chad LaRose, Carolina Hurricanes Pascal LeClaire, Ottawa Senators Brian Lee, Ottawa Senators David Legwand, Nashville Predators Robin Lehner, Ottawa Senators Trevor Lewis. Los Angeles Kings Nicklas Lidström, Detroit Red Wings Henrik Lundqvist, New York Rangers Derek MacKenzie, Columbus Blue Jackets Peter Mannino, Atlanta Thrashers Brad Marchand. Boston Bruins Andrei Markov, Montreal Canadiens Matt Martin, New York Islanders Shawn Matthias, Florida Panthers Jay McKee, Pittsburgh Penguins Brandon McMillan, Anaheim Ducks Brendan Mikkelson, Calgary Flames Fredrik Modin, Columbus Blue Jackets Travis Moen, Montreal Canadiens Ethan Moreau, Columbus Blue Jackets Matt Moulson, New York Islanders Chris Mueller, Nashville Predators Evgeni Nabokov, SKA St. Petersburg (Formerly San Jose Sharks) James Neal, Dallas Stars Kris Newbury, New York Rangers Eric Nystrom, Minnesota Wild Johnny Oduya, Atlanta Thrashers Cal O'Reilly, Nashville Predators Ryan O'Reilly, Colorado Avalanche Patrick O'Sullivan, Minnesota Wild Nathan Oystrick, St. Louis Blues Zach Parise, New Jersey Devils Jeff Petry, Edmonton Oilers Corey Perry, Anaheim Ducks Dion Phaneuf, Toronto Maple Leafs Alex Pietrangelo, St. Louis Blues Chris Pronger, Philadelphia Flyers Brandon Prust, New York Rangers Kyle Quincey, Colorado Avalanche Wade Redden, New York Rangers Mike Ribeiro, Dallas Stars Brad Richards, Dallas Stars Mike Richards, Philadelphia Flyers Brad Richardson, Los Angeles Kings Craig Rivet, Buffalo Sabres Bryan Rodney, Carolina Hurricanes Bobby Ryan, Anaheim Ducks Mike Santorelli, Florida Panthers Luke Schenn, Toronto Maple Leafs James Sheppard, Minnesota Wild Rob Schremp, New York Islanders Jody Shelley, Philadelphia Flyers Ryan Smyth, Los Angeles Kings Nick Spaling, Nashville Predators Steve Staios, Calgary Flames Matt Stajan, Calgary Flames Steven Stamkos, Tampa Bay Lightning Viktor Stalberg, Chicago Blackhawks Jarret Stoll, Los Angeles Kings Jason Strudwick, Edmonton Oilers PK Subban, Montreal Canadiens Andy Sutton, Anaheim Ducks Brandon Sutter, Carolina Hurricanes Danny Syvret, Philadelphia Flyers Henrik Tallinder, New Jersey Devils Matt Taormina, New Jersey Devils José Théodore, Minnesota Wild Ole-Kristian Tollefsen, Philadelphia Flyers Jordin Tootoo, Nashville Predators Tom Wandell, Dallas Stars Shea Weber, Nashville Predators Stephen Weiss, Florida Panthers Jeremy Williams, New York Rangers Ryan Wilson, Colorado Avalanche Daniel Winnik, Colorado Avalanche Jeff Woywitka, Dallas Stars Nolan Yonkman, Phoenix Coyotes Mats Zuccarello-Aasen, New York Rangers Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wingzman91 134 Report post Posted January 21, 2011 !!!Drew Doughty, Los Angeles Kings!!! All rumors have come full circle, this is obvious posturing for the signing of Doughty, after Meehan tells the KINGS to be afraid of matching the offer sheet! g'night i'ts getting too crazy, one more theory and I will pop. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Greatness=PavelDatsyuk 65 Report post Posted January 21, 2011 Quick question, would New Jersey get him as soon as they put a claim on him because they are in last spot and no one could trump them or would it still have to be the 24 hour period until they did Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wingzman91 134 Report post Posted January 21, 2011 Quick question, would New Jersey get him as soon as they put a claim on him because they are in last spot and no one could trump them or would it still have to be the 24 hour period until they did Have to wait. 24 hours is so all teams can enter their claim, and then at the end of the 24 hours the lowest gets it, there will be a "winner" at 12:01 pm Saturday. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
10 Minute Misconduct 104 Report post Posted January 21, 2011 BTW, I think McKenzie was wrong when he said Detroit would get first pick if he was put on Waivers again. Thx to those who corrected me on the error of my waiver ways. Popular misconception even amongst some NHL management types. #IamadopeLOL Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
acidroach420 25 Report post Posted January 21, 2011 He basically represents everyone LOL Justin Abdelkader, Detroit Red Wings Luke Adam, Buffalo Sabres Colby Armstrong, Toronto Maple Leafs Jason Arnott, New Jersey Devils Alex Auld, Montreal Canadiens Keith Aulie, Toronto Maple Leafs Sean Avery, New York Rangers Dave Backes, St. Louis Blues Josh Bailey, New York Islanders Jay Beagle, Washington Capitals Todd Bertuzzi, Detroit Red Wings Paul Bissonnette, Phoenix Coyotes Francis Bouillon, Nashville Predators Drayson Bowman, Carolina Hurricanes Dustin Boyd, Montreal Canadiens Darryl Boyce, Toronto Maple Leafs Tyler Bozak, Toronto Maple Leafs Tim Brent, Toronto Maple Leafs Eric Brewer, St. Louis Blues Mike Brodeur, Ottawa Senators Troy Brouwer, Chicago Blackhawks Ilya Bryzgalov, Phoenix Coyotes Gregory Campbell, Boston Bruins Luca Caputi, Toronto Maple Leafs Daniel Carcillo, Philadelphia Flyers Brett Carson, Carolina Hurricanes Erik Christensen, New York Rangers David Clarkson, New Jersey Devils Cal Clutterbuck. Minnesota Wild Mike Commodore, Columbus Blue Jackets Matt Cooke, Pittsburgh Penguins Matt Corrente, New Jersey Devils Ryan Craig, Tampa Bay Lightning Matt Cullen, Minnesota Wild Michael Del Zotto, New York Rangers Drew Doughty, Los Angeles Kings Jordan Eberle, Edmonton Oilers Matt Ellis, Buffalo Sabres Steve Eminger, New York Rangers Jonathan Ericsson, Detroit Red Wings John Erskine, Washington Capitals Justin Falk, Minnesota Wild Eric Fehr, Washington Capitals Nikita Filatov. Columbus Blue Jackets Nick Foligno, Ottawa Senators Alexander Frolov, New York Rangers Dan Girardi, New York Rangers Tim Gleason, Carolina Hurricanes Mike Green, Washington Capitals Matt Greene, Los Angeles Kings Nicklas Grossman, Dallas Stars Matt Halischuk, Nashville Predators Dan Hamhuis, Vancouver Canucks Travis Hamonic, New York Islanders Scott Hannan, Washington Capitals Martin Hanzal, Phoenix Coyotes Josh Harding, Minnesota Wild Kristian Huselius, Columbus Blue Jackets Patric Hornqvist, Nashville Predators Jarome Iginla, Calgary Flames Ed Jovanovski, Phoenix Coyotes Ryan Jones, Edmonton Oilers Erik Karlsson, Ottawa Senators Evander Kane, Atlanta Thrashers Chris Kelly, Ottawa Senators Phil Kessel, Toronto Maple Leafs Andrei Kostitsyn, Montreal Canadiens Sergei Kostitsyn, Nashville Predators Maxim Lapierre, Anaheim Ducks Chad LaRose, Carolina Hurricanes Pascal LeClaire, Ottawa Senators Brian Lee, Ottawa Senators David Legwand, Nashville Predators Robin Lehner, Ottawa Senators Trevor Lewis. Los Angeles Kings Nicklas Lidström, Detroit Red Wings Henrik Lundqvist, New York Rangers Derek MacKenzie, Columbus Blue Jackets Peter Mannino, Atlanta Thrashers Brad Marchand. Boston Bruins Andrei Markov, Montreal Canadiens Matt Martin, New York Islanders Shawn Matthias, Florida Panthers Jay McKee, Pittsburgh Penguins Brandon McMillan, Anaheim Ducks Brendan Mikkelson, Calgary Flames Fredrik Modin, Columbus Blue Jackets Travis Moen, Montreal Canadiens Ethan Moreau, Columbus Blue Jackets Matt Moulson, New York Islanders Chris Mueller, Nashville Predators Evgeni Nabokov, SKA St. Petersburg (Formerly San Jose Sharks) James Neal, Dallas Stars Kris Newbury, New York Rangers Eric Nystrom, Minnesota Wild Johnny Oduya, Atlanta Thrashers Cal O'Reilly, Nashville Predators Ryan O'Reilly, Colorado Avalanche Patrick O'Sullivan, Minnesota Wild Nathan Oystrick, St. Louis Blues Zach Parise, New Jersey Devils Jeff Petry, Edmonton Oilers Corey Perry, Anaheim Ducks Dion Phaneuf, Toronto Maple Leafs Alex Pietrangelo, St. Louis Blues Chris Pronger, Philadelphia Flyers Brandon Prust, New York Rangers Kyle Quincey, Colorado Avalanche Wade Redden, New York Rangers Mike Ribeiro, Dallas Stars Brad Richards, Dallas Stars Mike Richards, Philadelphia Flyers Brad Richardson, Los Angeles Kings Craig Rivet, Buffalo Sabres Bryan Rodney, Carolina Hurricanes Bobby Ryan, Anaheim Ducks Mike Santorelli, Florida Panthers Luke Schenn, Toronto Maple Leafs James Sheppard, Minnesota Wild Rob Schremp, New York Islanders Jody Shelley, Philadelphia Flyers Ryan Smyth, Los Angeles Kings Nick Spaling, Nashville Predators Steve Staios, Calgary Flames Matt Stajan, Calgary Flames Steven Stamkos, Tampa Bay Lightning Viktor Stalberg, Chicago Blackhawks Jarret Stoll, Los Angeles Kings Jason Strudwick, Edmonton Oilers PK Subban, Montreal Canadiens Andy Sutton, Anaheim Ducks Brandon Sutter, Carolina Hurricanes Danny Syvret, Philadelphia Flyers Henrik Tallinder, New Jersey Devils Matt Taormina, New Jersey Devils José Théodore, Minnesota Wild Ole-Kristian Tollefsen, Philadelphia Flyers Jordin Tootoo, Nashville Predators Tom Wandell, Dallas Stars Shea Weber, Nashville Predators Stephen Weiss, Florida Panthers Jeremy Williams, New York Rangers Ryan Wilson, Colorado Avalanche Daniel Winnik, Colorado Avalanche Jeff Woywitka, Dallas Stars Nolan Yonkman, Phoenix Coyotes Mats Zuccarello-Aasen, New York Rangers I saw the list, i was specifically wondering who is going to be a UFA at the end of this season or next season. While i know my original idea is a huge long shot, its still a interesting thing to think about. *more conspiracy* this move is just posturing to get a legit #1 d-man after lids retires. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wingzman91 134 Report post Posted January 21, 2011 BTW, I think McKenzie was wrong when he said Detroit would get first pick if he was put on Waivers again. Was about to post this, but I had posted pages back that the waivers work the same, no matter what, lowest % team gets first choice. Then McKenzie comes out of nowhere with 3 or 4 tweets and boom i'm back wondering what I missed in the CBA, only to find he is still using the old waiver rules, lol. I saw the list, i was specifically wondering who is going to be a UFA at the end of this season or next season. While i know my original idea is a huge long shot, its still a interesting thing to think about. *more conspiracy* this move is just posturing to get a legit #1 d-man after lids retires. I threw the Drew Doughty idea out there last page I think 90% of LGW fans would have no objection to this, but the conspiracy vs. the reality is fading, likely we get neither Nabokov or anything at this point. If we do get Nabby, then agent threats might just bring us Mr Doughty. Frolov didn't stay, there must be something wrong there, but this is all wild speculation. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
under_par_00 45 Report post Posted January 21, 2011 Ok, so with Datsyuk, Draper, Ozzie, and Clary's LTIR this season, the Wings have $2.3 million in capspace available this season. Why couldn't they offer him a couple million for the year? Pro-rated to the 30-some games left.I think they weren't able to offer him that much, but I don't know why. I think there is a 20-30% chance he clears waivers. Teams like EDM have the Bulin Wall and Dubnyk, what happens if they pick up another goalie? NJ has Brodeur and Hedberg. I guess the team to look out for is the Islanders since they don't really have any goalies Tampa Bay might be willing to dump Ellis or Smith for Nabokov. I wonder if Yzerman is going to gamble on Nabokov (good gamble in my book). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wingsfaninMA 3 Report post Posted January 21, 2011 Ok, so with Datsyuk, Draper, Ozzie, and Clary's LTIR this season, the Wings have $2.3 million in capspace available this season. Why couldn't they offer him a couple million for the year? Pro-rated to the 30-some games left.I think they weren't able to offer him that much, but I don't know why. I think there is a 20-30% chance he clears waivers. Teams like EDM have the Bulin Wall and Dubnyk, what happens if they pick up another goalie? NJ has Brodeur and Hedberg. I guess the team to look out for is the Islanders since they don't really have any goalies Tampa Bay might be willing to dump Ellis or Smith for Nabokov. I wonder if Yzerman is going to gamble on Nabokov (good gamble in my book). because ur initial premise is wrong they dont just get free cap space coz of injuries Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
under_par_00 45 Report post Posted January 21, 2011 I thought they could go over the cap by that amount? What is the point of putting a player on LTIR and saving some money against the cap? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Konnan511 1,736 Report post Posted January 21, 2011 Ok, so with Datsyuk, Draper, Ozzie, and Clary's LTIR this season, the Wings have $2.3 million in capspace available this season. Why couldn't they offer him a couple million for the year? Pro-rated to the 30-some games left.I think they weren't able to offer him that much, but I don't know why. I think there is a 20-30% chance he clears waivers. Teams like EDM have the Bulin Wall and Dubnyk, what happens if they pick up another goalie? NJ has Brodeur and Hedberg. I guess the team to look out for is the Islanders since they don't really have any goalies Tampa Bay might be willing to dump Ellis or Smith for Nabokov. I wonder if Yzerman is going to gamble on Nabokov (good gamble in my book). LTIR isn't banked. The Players on LTIR, their contracts are essential null and as if they aren't even on the team. Once they come off LTIR, their contract is back on as if the player wa son the team since day one. Which is why if you have a player making 2mil, and he is injured exactly half way through the season, we have 1 mil to work with. The player gets healthy, now we have to clear that 1mil to activate him to the roster. I thought they could go over the cap by that amount? What is the point of putting a player on LTIR and saving some money against the cap? Because you aren't saving. It's like you're getting a credit card with a spending limit up to that players contract. That credit card has a 0% interest rate and needs to be paid off exactly the moment you want to activate your LTIR player. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
under_par_00 45 Report post Posted January 21, 2011 That's bad news haha, thanks for explaining it. Wings had to offer Nabokov almost league minimum! What a joke. All we can hope for is that teams are handicapped with 2 goalies on the roster. Or cap issues: there are 5 other teams right up against the cap, and 5 more with only a few hundred thousand left. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
redwingcapt 52 Report post Posted January 21, 2011 I doubt he will make it... but if you wanna speculate another goalie coming back to return to the NHL.... hasek has been playing great in the KHL Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MulesWillFly93 199 Report post Posted January 21, 2011 Well, I'm enjoying seeing that "Nabokov to Wings" pic on NHL.com while it lasts, but here today, gone tomorrow, unfortunately. I hope we get SOMETHING out of this, whatever it is. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dragonballgtz 273 Report post Posted January 21, 2011 Right. I'm actually shocked that anyone here thinks the Wings have given up on Howard. He's only 26 and, despite a couple shaky months, is one of the best young goalies in the game. Ozzie's retiring after this year, Nabokov, at 35, is Osgood's replacement, Howard's going no where! So what will NJ get in return? Fined? 2 55fan and Barrie reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
under_par_00 45 Report post Posted January 21, 2011 This guy would be an amazing addition. He is only 35 and left the NHL on a very good season. Over 10 NHL years with the Sharks his save percentage has been below .900 once and under .910 one additional time. Career totals of 0.912 regular season and believe it 0.913 post-season. 1 Rick D reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
clutchngrab 12 Report post Posted January 21, 2011 If this in any way turns into a situation where Nabokov is actually a Wing, what I'm hearing is that the Wings are not happy with Howard and he's unlikely to get much of a raise next year if even he returns at all. It would be a bit of a bulls*** move if you ask me. I know Jimmy hasn't been playing well this year, but I think that's largely due to mismanagement of his development over the last year. It just seems lame to set him up to fall apart and then to seemingly give up on him when he does indeed fall apart. It's one thing with Osgood as there's a relationship and support system installed already whereas it's clear that Nabokov would be coming in because we've got a mess on our hands right now. Even if it's just to try and push Howard, it just seems like a dumb move. Granted, who knows what's really going on, but something about this whole thing is fishy to me. Fishy? Why? Don't forget Holland is an ex-goaltender that managed the whole Hasek/Cujo debacle and let Osgood go as well. I'm not surprised. Jimmy has been spoon fed to where he is today. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
atodaso 279 Report post Posted January 21, 2011 I doubt he will make it... but if you wanna speculate another goalie coming back to return to the NHL.... hasek has been playing great in the KHL hasek >> anyone else Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Crashnburnluder 385 Report post Posted January 21, 2011 I really just want to wake up Tom. And just see mckenzie and dreger twittering that all is quiet on the nabby subject... Silence is a good thing... Maybe if we all stop talking about it all the other GM's will forget lol Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Echolalia 2,961 Report post Posted January 21, 2011 (edited) More talks about a possible deal with NJ http://twitter.com/wharnscbcsports I guess my issue with making a deal to put Nabby back on waivers is that the NHL might suspect circumvention, which may lead to a fine, loss of draft picks, etc. edit: actually I came across this bit of info at hfboards, which DEBUNKS THE RUMOR THAT WINGS GET FIRST DIBS SHOULD NABBY BE PLACED ON WAIVERS AGAIN: "That is the default rule for Waivers (Article 13.20(b)). If a player is claimed on Waivers and the claiming team wants to trade him during the remainder of that season - he has to be offered at waiver price to any team which put in an unsuccessful lower priority waiver claim. In this case, that is superseded by 13.23 which explicitly states that in the case of a player who was waived due to playing overseas (Svatos, Wellwood, Nabby, etc) and was claimed, then he has to clear a new round of Waivers (where any team can make a claim) before he can be traded." In short, if Holland is pulling some strings behind the scenes, the end result won't be Nabby in Detroit, unless its next year. There may be something going on where some team picks up Nabokov, then trades the Wings their backup to make room. Edited January 21, 2011 by Echolalia Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
55fan 5,133 Report post Posted January 21, 2011 (edited) It's a plot. A plan, a scheme, a design, a tarp. Nabby is only the first. He gets claimed, and then it will be Emery, then another, then another, until every team under us has either passed on or claimed a goalie. Then- and only then- will Holland come out with his true objective. Hasek. And he will be ours! All ours! Mwahahahahahaha. Edited January 21, 2011 by 55fan 5 Jenny, IILeiBlazeII, acidroach420 and 2 others reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
acidroach420 25 Report post Posted January 21, 2011 It's a plot. A plan, a scheme, a design, a tarp. Nabby is only the first. He gets claimed, and then it will be Emery, then another, then another, until every team under us has either passed on or claimed a goalie. Then- and only then- will Holland come out with his true objective. Hasek. And he will be ours! All ours! Mwahahahahahaha. this will happen in the last minute of the trade dead line day. these forums will explode. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CenterIce 83 Report post Posted January 21, 2011 Ok, so with Datsyuk, Draper, Ozzie, and Clary's LTIR this season, the Wings have $2.3 million in capspace available this season. Why couldn't they offer him a couple million for the year? Pro-rated to the 30-some games left.I think they weren't able to offer him that much, but I don't know why. I think there is a 20-30% chance he clears waivers. Teams like EDM have the Bulin Wall and Dubnyk, what happens if they pick up another goalie? NJ has Brodeur and Hedberg. I guess the team to look out for is the Islanders since they don't really have any goalies Tampa Bay might be willing to dump Ellis or Smith for Nabokov. I wonder if Yzerman is going to gamble on Nabokov (good gamble in my book). Datsyuk is the only player on LTIR. Just because they have long term injuries doesn't mean they are automatically placed on the LTIR list. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hockeytown0001 7,652 Report post Posted January 21, 2011 Nabakov > Emery Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Barrie 900 Report post Posted January 21, 2011 (edited) Fined? How does that saying go, "In for a penny, in for a pound"? Edit: I'm starting to think with everything put in his contract, and Nabokov probably refusing to report to any team but the Wings, he'll clear. Should be interesting. Something else to follow this weekend with the NFL Playoffs and Wings-B.Hawks Edited January 21, 2011 by Barrie Share this post Link to post Share on other sites