IceMunkee 15 Report post Posted January 21, 2011 I think this signing is for insurance purpose. As people have stated, if Ozzie isn't ready to come back/ Howard struggles down the stretch. You don't think it is more then that? Just insurance? I don't agree, I think they are upgrading in goaltending, at least that is their hope. Not really replace anyone but I just don't think it is only n insurance. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Crveni 14 Report post Posted January 21, 2011 (edited) It's a plot. A plan, a scheme, a design, a tarp. Nabby is only the first. He gets claimed, and then it will be Emery, then another, then another, until every team under us has either passed on or claimed a goalie. Then- and only then- will Holland come out with his true objective. Hasek. And he will be ours! All ours! Mwahahahahahaha. Yes! To everyone else: Red Wing 'till I die. Edited January 21, 2011 by Crveni Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chrisdetroit 189 Report post Posted January 21, 2011 I see it as cheap but pretty damn good insurance. 1. You don't know what Ozzie's shape will be being off the ice for 6-8 weeks after a sports hernia surgery. What if he can't move in a certain way ... 2. Jimmy can perform in the playoffs, he did great last year but we lost in 2nd round. If he plays again this year, he will just get more mature and I think he has a good head on his shoulder. Don't know if he can take us all the way but people like Halak, Lehtonen, Niemi were the goalies that stood on their heads so anything can happen. BUT having someone like Nabby in the bullpen if Jimmy does get the jitters or injures himself from now till playoffs is just good prudent decision. If anything, it shows Kenny doesn't have a lot of confidence in Joey MacDonald to either back up Jimmy or go to bat in case Jimmy goes down. For $250K to cover all those bases ... what a steal! I'm kinda surprised Nabby signed for so cheap but then he's probably still laughing to the bank with his $6 mill last year. I have faith that Jimmy will eventually be good in the playoffs but he was not great last year. He was 5-7 with a .915 save % and 2.75 GAA. Those are not "great" numbers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 4,951 Report post Posted January 21, 2011 I think this signing is for insurance purpose. As people have stated, if Ozzie isn't ready to come back/ Howard struggles down the stretch. it is my belief that if Geno (I hate the nickname Nabby, besides that was a SJ thing) is able to become a Red Wing, Osgood will be put on LTIR for the rest of the season, opening up $1.4M of cap space and then at the trade deadline, they will trade Hudler and his OVERPAID $2.8M, opening up even more to allow them to acquire a missing piece to put them over the top to win the Cup. Trade Hudler for a pick, then get a player with over $4.2M in cap space...it's so simple it's hidden right in plain view! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IceMunkee 15 Report post Posted January 21, 2011 Actually, I pulled the segment I was reading from another message board regarding another player, but the more closely I read it I think it's not the whole section 11.8b, as it seems to only pertain to a player already owned by a team and said team waiving him. I don't think signing a Euro player and being forced to submit him to waivers is the same thing. Thats cool. Yeah this is really confusing but I knew that was not right. I mean I am sure he can refuse anyone, I would just assume there is a rule against that. Like a refuse and you don't play rule. I do know that the signing removes the NHL from the waiver order and the other teams get a crack at it. None if it makes sense. Maybe I will just go to bed until tomorrow!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chrisdetroit 189 Report post Posted January 21, 2011 I think a tandem at least. I mean he has got to perform but I would think a 50% tandem. Maybe even nabby the starter, I mean he is the better goalie. Or was. My guess is that Holland told him that if he outplays Jimmy he will be the starter. No guarantees, if Nabby wants to be the starter, the opportunity is there but it's up to Nabby. That is what I would have told him. 1 IceMunkee reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Konnan511 1,736 Report post Posted January 21, 2011 it is my belief that if Geno (I hate the nickname Nabby, besides that was a SJ thing) is able to become a Red Wing, Osgood will be put on LTIR for the rest of the season, opening up $1.4M of cap space and then at the trade deadline, they will trade Hudler and his OVERPAID $2.8M, opening up even more to allow them to acquire a missing piece to put them over the top to win the Cup. Trade Hudler for a pick, then get a player with over $4.2M in cap space...it's so simple it's hidden right in plain view! Technically, trading Hudler doesn't free up 2.8 million, though. It'll free up somewhere around 1mil in cap space Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IceMunkee 15 Report post Posted January 21, 2011 it is my belief that if Geno (I hate the nickname Nabby, besides that was a SJ thing) is able to become a Red Wing, Osgood will be put on LTIR for the rest of the season, opening up $1.4M of cap space and then at the trade deadline, they will trade Hudler and his OVERPAID $2.8M, opening up even more to allow them to acquire a missing piece to put them over the top to win the Cup. Trade Hudler for a pick, then get a player with over $4.2M in cap space...it's so simple it's hidden right in plain view! Works for me... Sucks that we have to follow real life rules. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chrisdetroit 189 Report post Posted January 21, 2011 it is my belief that if Geno (I hate the nickname Nabby, besides that was a SJ thing) is able to become a Red Wing, Osgood will be put on LTIR for the rest of the season, opening up $1.4M of cap space and then at the trade deadline, they will trade Hudler and his OVERPAID $2.8M, opening up even more to allow them to acquire a missing piece to put them over the top to win the Cup. Trade Hudler for a pick, then get a player with over $4.2M in cap space...it's so simple it's hidden right in plain view! Not gonna happen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoshuaW92 9 Report post Posted January 21, 2011 Has anybody considered that he will pass waivers because no team has expressed interest in him this whole year? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IceMunkee 15 Report post Posted January 21, 2011 My guess is that Holland told him that if he outplays Jimmy he will be the starter. No guarantees, if Nabby wants to be the starter, the opportunity is there but it's up to Nabby. That is what I would have told him. Agreed! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VM1138 1,921 Report post Posted January 21, 2011 (edited) Thats cool. Yeah this is really confusing but I knew that was not right. I mean I am sure he can refuse anyone, I would just assume there is a rule against that. Like a refuse and you don't play rule. I do know that the signing removes the NHL from the waiver order and the other teams get a crack at it. None if it makes sense. Maybe I will just go to bed until tomorrow!!! One thing is for sure, waivers is a really unfair process. Teams should be able to sign whoever the hell they want without interference from other teams. It's also pretty shady to force a player to play for a team they don't want to play for and owe no obligations to. Has anybody considered that he will pass waivers because no team has expressed interest in him this whole year? This was my initial thought, but since some teams have expressed interest after the Wings signed him, we're worried some team will suddenly think that if the Wings want him, they should pick him up to bolster their own terrible goaltending. Edited January 21, 2011 by VM1138 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Konnan511 1,736 Report post Posted January 21, 2011 Has anybody considered that he will pass waivers because no team has expressed interest in him this whole year? I brought that up in the early stages of all this. Nabokov is also a solid playoff starter. On historically strong offense/weak defense teams he has a .913% SV and 2.29 GAA in the playoffs which is better than what Jimmy gave us last year (I'm counting .913 and .915 as equal) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sleepwalker 512 Report post Posted January 21, 2011 Has anybody considered that he will pass waivers because no team has expressed interest in him this whole year? But how many teams would have thought they could get him for just over a half mil before this whole thing? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IceMunkee 15 Report post Posted January 21, 2011 Has anybody considered that he will pass waivers because no team has expressed interest in him this whole year? Nope! Where is the dramatics in that! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VM1138 1,921 Report post Posted January 21, 2011 But how many teams would have thought they could get him for just over a half mil before this whole thing? Easy, they could have offered him the same contract. I think what it comes down to is the rest of the GMs don't have the cojones Holland does, and so they follow his lead. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Z and D for the C 712 Report post Posted January 21, 2011 Trade Hudler for a pick Stop being such a Hudler slappy. 1 Frozen-Man reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frozen-Man 144 Report post Posted January 21, 2011 Has anybody considered that he will pass waivers because no team has expressed interest in him this whole year? It is hard to believe that for roughly $260k no team will want to pick him up, if for no other reason than to keep the Wings from getting him for that price. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jesusberg 1,256 Report post Posted January 21, 2011 Has anybody considered that he will pass waivers because no team has expressed interest in him this whole year? You could have said the same thing about Svatos and Wellwood, but we know how that turned out... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Z and D for the C 712 Report post Posted January 21, 2011 It is hard to believe that for roughly $260k no team will want to pick him up, if for no other reason than to keep the Wings from getting him for that price. He has a no move clause, meaning he MUST stay on the roster if claimed. No team will take him unless they really want him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
acidroach420 25 Report post Posted January 21, 2011 I'm kinda surprised no one has brought up the idea that having Howard learn from a russian goalie will teach him some new stuff that ozzy would not be able to teach. I really reeally hope this happens Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gcom007 1,465 Report post Posted January 21, 2011 I see it as cheap but pretty damn good insurance. 1. You don't know what Ozzie's shape will be being off the ice for 6-8 weeks after a sports hernia surgery. What if he can't move in a certain way ... 2. Jimmy can perform in the playoffs, he did great last year but we lost in 2nd round. If he plays again this year, he will just get more mature and I think he has a good head on his shoulder. Don't know if he can take us all the way but people like Halak, Lehtonen, Niemi were the goalies that stood on their heads so anything can happen. BUT having someone like Nabby in the bullpen if Jimmy does get the jitters or injures himself from now till playoffs is just good prudent decision. If anything, it shows Kenny doesn't have a lot of confidence in Joey MacDonald to either back up Jimmy or go to bat in case Jimmy goes down. For $250K to cover all those bases ... what a steal! I'm kinda surprised Nabby signed for so cheap but then he's probably still laughing to the bank with his $6 mill last year. 1. I think Osgood will be fine when he comes back. The fact that he was playing through the injury at all makes me think that he's going to come back strong. It might take him a few games to get sharp, but he's been looking good this year. 2. I like Jimmy and I have a lot of faith in his ability to develop into a real-deal starting goalie, but I don't think he's ready for the playoffs and I don't see how you can suggest he played "great" last year. Even the Osgood haters around here were calling for Osgood to go in! He had his moments where he came up big, but he had far too many moments where he utterly and completely dropped the ball. You don't become a playoff goalie overnight. I've maintained all along that it was just too much for him early on. If we're able to keep Nabokov, it's really nothing but a positive in the short run. I trust him more than Howard in the playoffs at this current point in time and if indeed Osgood isn't able to get things going, it'll be good to have Nabokov around. That said, I don't think this is good for Howard. He's struggled this year and this is hardly a vote of confidence in him. Do you think for a second that they would have made this move last year when he was playing great? Really? If he wasn't letting in 4 goals a game on a regular basis and getting pulled, do you really think Holland would make a move now? Even with the injuries, I highly doubt it. I really can't help but think this might be the first sign that Howard will not be returning next year. Think about this... If he can't beat out Nabokov for the starting role after struggling last playoffs and then struggling this season, they're not going to want to throw a lot of money at him. Same can be said if Osgood ends up starting in the playoffs, but if Nabokov starts and does well, they'll sign him and Osgood up before Howard and Osgood. Howard's not going to take a backup role for a million or less now, but Osgood will. One of two things has to happen for Howard to stick around: he either has to play great from here on out and steal the show and show some semblance of success in the playoffs, or Nabokov has to be terrible. And personally, I'd rather hang tight until Osgood comes back and let them fight it out and keep them both around next year at reasonable prices. Having three goalies around is never a good idea. Even if they're all decent guys, the simple "two net" thing will get frustrating real quick. 1 GoWings1905 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
esteef 2,679 Report post Posted January 21, 2011 He has a no move clause, meaning he MUST stay on the roster if claimed. No team will take him unless they really want him. And that's the beauty of it. Holland keeping the douchebags that are just out to spite us out of it. If a team claims him, they'd better really want him, and he'd better really want them. esteef 1 IceMunkee reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drake_Marcus 890 Report post Posted January 21, 2011 it is my belief that if Geno (I hate the nickname Nabby, besides that was a SJ thing) is able to become a Red Wing, Osgood will be put on LTIR for the rest of the season, opening up $1.4M of cap space and then at the trade deadline, they will trade Hudler and his OVERPAID $2.8M, opening up even more to allow them to acquire a missing piece to put them over the top to win the Cup. Trade Hudler for a pick, then get a player with over $4.2M in cap space...it's so simple it's hidden right in plain view! Have you even watched the Wings play in the last month? Hudler's stats in that time: 12gp 3g 8a 11pts +2 2pim ~15 TOI/G (I'll be damned if I'm going to add all the times on ice up for those games and average them) 1 Shoot out winner So Hudler's apparently turned the corner since he got his confidence back after his 1g1a game against Colorado. And now you're advocating dumping him? 2.8 mil is a bargin for those numbers. We can't be sure whether he'll play at this level (the level he is historically known to play at based on his previous NHL seasons) or the garbage play he showed us before Christmas. Either: A.) you think his early struggles were because he had trouble making the transition from KHL to NHL (game play and physical conditioning) which was compounded by a slump that caused him to lose confidence in himself. or B.) you have some sort of mental defect and think that some time between his 26th and 27th birthday he did a complete 180 and became a terrible hockey player (and the last month is a fluke) But hey, you were the loudest voice calling for Leino's departure (man that sure makes you look brilliant now). 4 Gusto, thedisappearer, GoWings1905 and 1 other reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Crymson Report post Posted January 21, 2011 If Nabby ends up here, Osgood will come back after the trade deadline. After the deadline, there are no restrictions on roster size. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
