Nabokov claimed by NYI, refuses to report, suspended

[Hockeytown0001 7,652]

Good on Nabby.

[mjlegend 155]

Nabby should have just said he was coming back to write a blog. Snow would have banned him from the building and he'd go back on waivers.

[Original-Six 254]

And if you kept reading...

My bad. I was too cough up in the lulz. I can just imagine.

Nabokov: Hello?

Snow: Hi Evgeni. This is Garth Snow.

Nabokov: "SLAM"

Snow: Hello? Evgeni you still there? Hello?

Edited January 24, 2011 by Original-Six

[Nevermind 363]

If Nabokov ends up on waivers again, I honestly think there's a decent chance he'll end up in Detroit.

After the situation with the Islanders, I don't think other teams would want to deal with the possible headache of claiming him.

[Guest Heaten]

Same deal here. He has a legal binding contract, he does not want to honor it so they can force him to play next year. This does not open up any loop holes all this does is enforce rules that are already in place.

I don't even understand how you think this can open up loop holes.

I'll bite.

30th place team in the east needs a goalie because maybe they think next year they have a chance to make playoffs. 2nd place team needs a top six forward to go deep in the playoffs this year. 2nd place signs KHL star goalie to a 2-year deal (Nabokov for example), 30th place picks goalie off waivers for nothing and cheap contract. 30th place team now trades 2nd place team a top 6 forward for little to nothing.

That's just one example of a possible loophole.

[sleepwalker 512]

I like Wangs delusional response;

"I don't see why somebody who has this opportunity would not want to play and fulfill his contract. It's nuts, right. I don't understand any of it"

Uh...you really don't see why an aging goalie who wanted to make, what, who knows, could be one last run at the cup, wouldn't want to play for a team who has no chance of making the playoffs? You don't understand why he wouldn't want to leave his family and the warmth of sunny California to come to gloomy, cold ass New York to play for a team he thinks sucks and doesn't want to play for, won't make the finals, for a mere quarter mil, when dude has tens of millions already?

Really???

[achildr1 255]

I like Wangs delusional response;

"I don't see why somebody who has this opportunity would not want to play and fulfill his contract. It's nuts, right. I don't understand any of it"

Uh...you really don't see why an aging goalie who wanted to make, what, who knows, could be one last run at the cup, wouldn't want to play for a team who has no chance of making the playoffs? You don't understand why he wouldn't want to leave his family and the warmth of sunny California to come to gloomy, cold ass New York to play for a team he thinks sucks and doesn't want to play for, won't make the finals, for a mere quarter mil, when dude has tens of millions already?

Really???

Maybe Wang was going to interview the aging goalie to replace Snow as GM. Nabby's got this all wrong...

[Guest CaliWingsNut]

I wonder if Snow's called Kenny with his list of demands?

[Andy Pred 48 337]

I'll bite.

30th place team in the east needs a goalie because maybe they think next year they have a chance to make playoffs. 2nd place team needs a top six forward to go deep in the playoffs this year. 2nd place signs KHL star goalie to a 2-year deal (Nabokov for example), 30th place picks goalie off waivers for nothing and cheap contract. 30th place team now trades 2nd place team a top 6 forward for little to nothing.

That's just one example of a possible loophole.

yep that was my thoughts on it, so who are we interested in on the Isle's roster?

have we ever had an Austrian on the team?

[dragonballgtz 273]

I'll bite.

30th place team in the east needs a goalie because maybe they think next year they have a chance to make playoffs. 2nd place team needs a top six forward to go deep in the playoffs this year. 2nd place signs KHL star goalie to a 2-year deal (Nabokov for example), 30th place picks goalie off waivers for nothing and cheap contract. 30th place team now trades 2nd place team a top 6 forward for little to nothing.

That's just one example of a possible loophole.

In your example why would 2nd place team sign another goalie out of the blue if they are set? Unless it's injuries (like use) 2nd place team has no need to go out and sign a goalie.

Bad example

[Guest Heaten]

In your example why would 2nd place team sign another goalie out of the blue if they are set? Unless it's injuries (like use) 2nd place team has no need to go out and sign a goalie.

Bad example

Jesus, did you even bother to read it? It was an example. 2nd place team isn't signing a goalie for THEM, they are signing it as a FAVOR to the 30th/29th/28th (or whatever) team.

It's not that difficult to understand, is it? it could be speculated to the media that 2nd place team is trying to improve the goalie depth. It's not rocket science. And that's just ONE example. Don't get so caught up with the position, or circumstances. It's a loop hole that teams could employ if they got creative.

Remember the twitter source from Devils saying they'd claim Nabokov and waive him so Detroit can get him? But that doesn't matter, because Detroit wouldnt get next crack at him. But it proves that Devils wanted to help Detroit...

Just sayin

EDIT: sorry if I come off rude. I just get irritated when people refuse to read a post, or pretend to not understand it. I know Michigan school systems are not THAT bad, atleast I hope not.

Edited January 24, 2011 by Heaten

[brett 1,029]

so when do we know whats going to happen with nabby

[dragonballgtz 273]

Jesus, did you even bother to read it? It was an example. 2nd place team isn't signing a goalie for THEM, they are signing it as a FAVOR to the 30th/29th/28th (or whatever) team.

It's not that difficult to understand, is it? it could be speculated to the media that 2nd place team is trying to improve the goalie depth. It's not rocket science. And that's just ONE example. Don't get so caught up with the position, or circumstances. It's a loop hole that teams could employ if they got creative.

Remember the twitter source from Devils saying they'd claim Nabokov and waive him so Detroit can get him? But that doesn't matter, because Detroit wouldnt get next crack at him. But it proves that Devils wanted to help Detroit...

Just sayin

EDIT: sorry if I come off rude. I just get irritated when people refuse to read a post, or pretend to not understand it. I know Michigan school systems are not THAT bad, atleast I hope not.

Seeing as how you have typos in your post you shouldn't really call out anyone's smarts.

Also the Devils helping out Detroit was a rumor, nothing unless it comes from the organization itself is proven to be true.

[puffy 97]

Good for Nabokov.

He's a 35 year old goalie who has never won a cup, why the heck would he want to waste precious time with the New York Islanders?

If a playoff bound team would have picked him up there is no doubt in my mind that he would have played for them, but to go from Wings to the Islanders is just ridiculous.

It's like a pimp offering you a Jenny McCarthy lookalike and 48 hrs later he delivers Rosie O'Donnell. WTF!!!

Edited January 24, 2011 by puffy

[Guest Heaten]

Seeing as how you have typos in your post you shouldn't really call out anyone's smarts.

Also the Devils helping out Detroit was a rumor, nothing unless it comes from the organization itself is proven to be true.

posting from my phone and the keys suck. who cares. Do you understand the loop hole or not. You said there was none. I proved there is. Do you now see it?

[Pskov Wings Fan 71]

It is against the rules, that's why he'd be suspended without pay. The issue is whether the NHL would force him to honour his contract, either this year or next year or whenever. The precedent is there (Yashin, Radulov).

The idea that a person can be compelled to work against his will just does not sound right regardless of what contract law or NHL rules might say.

[Pskov Wings Fan 71]

So he knew the risks and lost with the gamble. Tell NYI that you need time to get ready, play about 10-15 games and look for a better team next year. Sounds like sour grapes that he didn't get what he wanted out of this situation.

He did not get what he wanted, but it does not mean he should take something he definitely does not want.

[Pskov Wings Fan 71]

the interesting thing is that he said he wanted to compete as a starter. however, the odds of him being a starter in detroit, knowing detroit/babcock, are pretty slim. And if detroit said they were going to give him time to get ready, then he wouldnt be starting.

or am i confused?

I think that most of the public statements made in this case have little to do with reality. I would guess that Nabokov and Red Wings discussed and agreed what his role on the team would be.

[Vladiator 116]

Good for Nabokov.

He's a 35 year old goalie who has never won a cup, why the heck would he want to waste precious time with the New York Islanders?

If a playoff bound team would have picked him up there is no doubt in my mind that he would have played for them, but to go from Wings to the Islanders is just ridiculous.

It's like a pimp offering you a Jenny McCarthy lookalike and 48 hrs later he delivers Rosie O'Donnell. WTF!!!

Good analogy. Spend time in CA with his family or go to work with the NYI for 250K.

[eva unit zero 271]

posting from my phone and the keys suck. who cares. Do you understand the loop hole or not. You said there was none. I proved there is. Do you now see it?

The problem you don't understand is that what you posted is NOT a "loophole" as you suggest. The 2nd place team loses the goalie they sign, but is not guaranteed anything from the 30th place team. So why should they make the 'trade' as it were?

You have two separate transactions. A goaltender signing which is subject to entry waivers, and a forward trade. So either the 2nd place team gets their forward before officially signing the goaltender, or the 30th place team effectively gets their goaltender before making the trade.

Say the trade is made first, and the 2nd place team now has that additional top line forward they wanted for a 7th round pick. Next they sign the goalie and the 30th place team gets him on entry waivers, right? But the 2nd place team's GM can screw the 30th place team over and just not sign him. Or maybe he doesn't sign.

There's no loophole. You're sitting there trying to manufacture one.

[Guest Heaten]

The problem you don't understand is that what you posted is NOT a "loophole" as you suggest. The 2nd place team loses the goalie they sign, but is not guaranteed anything from the 30th place team. So why should they make the 'trade' as it were?

You have two separate transactions. A goaltender signing which is subject to entry waivers, and a forward trade. So either the 2nd place team gets their forward before officially signing the goaltender, or the 30th place team effectively gets their goaltender before making the trade.

Say the trade is made first, and the 2nd place team now has that additional top line forward they wanted for a 7th round pick. Next they sign the goalie and the 30th place team gets him on entry waivers, right? But the 2nd place team's GM can screw the 30th place team over and just not sign him. Or maybe he doesn't sign.

There's no loophole. You're sitting there trying to manufacture one.

Sounds like you have major trust issues. That I can't help you with. But if this loophole that I am sitting here trying to manufacture has potential to work, then.. well, it's a loophole within the system that can be exposed. (insert phrase: "If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, looks like a duck, it must be a duck")

Sounds more like you are trying to 'manufacture' a reason why it shouldn't work. Your reason is personal trust issues. If the 30the place team acquires the goalie that the 2nd place team doesn't want/need or desire, and the 30th place team doesn't follow through on their end... then no loss, just blacklist that organization permanently. No love loss.

But in the real world, real businessmen value their word. These guys aren't greasy used car dealers for piss sakes. (except Burke)

Just last year Babcock reached to Devils head coach, Jacques Lemaire, to ask him how he could improve his PK. Within the week, Wings PK was was outstanding. How can that be possible, there must have been a sabotage in there someplace right? No, not everyone is out to screw you.

[eva unit zero 271]

No, not everyone is out to screw you.

And you are, by contrast, suggesting that everyone is going to be perfectly helpful and trustworthy and keep their word based on one example.

You do realize that the GM who got the short end of the deal in my example could do nothing about it, because it's a backdoor deal that is not a binding agreement and may even be in violation of the CBA.

[Wingzman91 134]

I'll bite.

30th place team in the east needs a goalie because maybe they think next year they have a chance to make playoffs. 2nd place team needs a top six forward to go deep in the playoffs this year. 2nd place signs KHL star goalie to a 2-year deal (Nabokov for example), 30th place picks goalie off waivers for nothing and cheap contract. 30th place team now trades 2nd place team a top 6 forward for little to nothing.

That's just one example of a possible loophole.

Except.....any player that has played a game in a league outside of the NHL, after the NHL season started, then gets claimed on waivers, HAVE TO be put on waivers again to be traded, for the rest of the season, no exceptions.period.

[Guest Heaten]

And you are, by contrast, suggesting that everyone is going to be perfectly helpful and trustworthy and keep their word based on one example.

You do realize that the GM who got the short end of the deal in my example could do nothing about it, because it's a backdoor deal that is not a binding agreement and may even be in violation of the CBA.

But they could do something about it. They can blacklist that organization permanently. Team B doesn't lose anything but time drafting a contract. Chalk it up as low risk, high reward. Holland paved the way for long contracts, too. I'm sure the CBA doesn't like that either.... it's a loophole. They don't like any loophole.

[Shady Ultima 40]

Except.....any player that has played a game in a league outside of the NHL, after the NHL season started, then gets claimed on waivers, HAVE TO be put on waivers again to be traded, for the rest of the season, no exceptions.period.

Except, that's not what he was saying.

Let me use an example here.

The season ends, and Brodeur retires. Looks like NJ's situation just got worse. They don't have another goalie to come in and take his load. So, they go and talk with Detroit's management. Detroit then signs KHL goalie for 2m. He goes on waivers, NJ claims him. They then trade Detroit David Clarkson (example, and a player I love) for Detroit's 5th round pick in 2015.

Basically, it works out that Detroit gets David Clarkson for the pick and the goalie, who they went through the work of the contract with.