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#441 sleepwalker

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Posted 21 January 2011 - 05:18 PM

Has anybody considered that he will pass waivers because no team has expressed interest in him this whole year?



But how many teams would have thought they could get him for just over a half mil before this whole thing?

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Posted 21 January 2011 - 05:18 PM

Has anybody considered that he will pass waivers because no team has expressed interest in him this whole year?

Nope! Where is the dramatics in that! :hehe:
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Posted 21 January 2011 - 05:20 PM

But how many teams would have thought they could get him for just over a half mil before this whole thing?


Easy, they could have offered him the same contract. I think what it comes down to is the rest of the GMs don't have the cojones Holland does, and so they follow his lead.
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Posted 21 January 2011 - 05:25 PM

Trade Hudler for a pick


Stop being such a Hudler slappy.

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Posted 21 January 2011 - 05:25 PM

Has anybody considered that he will pass waivers because no team has expressed interest in him this whole year?


It is hard to believe that for roughly $260k no team will want to pick him up, if for no other reason than to keep the Wings from getting him for that price.

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Posted 21 January 2011 - 05:26 PM

Has anybody considered that he will pass waivers because no team has expressed interest in him this whole year?


You could have said the same thing about Svatos and Wellwood, but we know how that turned out...

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Posted 21 January 2011 - 05:27 PM

It is hard to believe that for roughly $260k no team will want to pick him up, if for no other reason than to keep the Wings from getting him for that price.


He has a no move clause, meaning he MUST stay on the roster if claimed. No team will take him unless they really want him.

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Posted 21 January 2011 - 05:30 PM

I'm kinda surprised no one has brought up the idea that having Howard learn from a russian goalie will teach him some new stuff that ozzy would not be able to teach.

I really reeally hope this happens

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Posted 21 January 2011 - 05:30 PM

I see it as cheap but pretty damn good insurance.
1. You don't know what Ozzie's shape will be being off the ice for 6-8 weeks after a sports hernia surgery. What if he can't move in a certain way ...
2. Jimmy can perform in the playoffs, he did great last year but we lost in 2nd round. If he plays again this year, he will just get more mature and I think he has a good head on his shoulder. Don't know if he can take us all the way but people like Halak, Lehtonen, Niemi were the goalies that stood on their heads so anything can happen.

BUT having someone like Nabby in the bullpen if Jimmy does get the jitters or injures himself from now till playoffs is just good prudent decision. If anything, it shows Kenny doesn't have a lot of confidence in Joey MacDonald to either back up Jimmy or go to bat in case Jimmy goes down. For $250K to cover all those bases ... what a steal! I'm kinda surprised Nabby signed for so cheap but then he's probably still laughing to the bank with his $6 mill last year.


1. I think Osgood will be fine when he comes back. The fact that he was playing through the injury at all makes me think that he's going to come back strong. It might take him a few games to get sharp, but he's been looking good this year.

2. I like Jimmy and I have a lot of faith in his ability to develop into a real-deal starting goalie, but I don't think he's ready for the playoffs and I don't see how you can suggest he played "great" last year. Even the Osgood haters around here were calling for Osgood to go in! He had his moments where he came up big, but he had far too many moments where he utterly and completely dropped the ball. You don't become a playoff goalie overnight. I've maintained all along that it was just too much for him early on.

If we're able to keep Nabokov, it's really nothing but a positive in the short run. I trust him more than Howard in the playoffs at this current point in time and if indeed Osgood isn't able to get things going, it'll be good to have Nabokov around.

That said, I don't think this is good for Howard. He's struggled this year and this is hardly a vote of confidence in him. Do you think for a second that they would have made this move last year when he was playing great? Really? If he wasn't letting in 4 goals a game on a regular basis and getting pulled, do you really think Holland would make a move now? Even with the injuries, I highly doubt it. I really can't help but think this might be the first sign that Howard will not be returning next year. Think about this...

If he can't beat out Nabokov for the starting role after struggling last playoffs and then struggling this season, they're not going to want to throw a lot of money at him. Same can be said if Osgood ends up starting in the playoffs, but if Nabokov starts and does well, they'll sign him and Osgood up before Howard and Osgood. Howard's not going to take a backup role for a million or less now, but Osgood will.

One of two things has to happen for Howard to stick around: he either has to play great from here on out and steal the show and show some semblance of success in the playoffs, or Nabokov has to be terrible.

And personally, I'd rather hang tight until Osgood comes back and let them fight it out and keep them both around next year at reasonable prices. Having three goalies around is never a good idea. Even if they're all decent guys, the simple "two net" thing will get frustrating real quick.
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Posted 21 January 2011 - 05:31 PM

He has a no move clause, meaning he MUST stay on the roster if claimed. No team will take him unless they really want him.

And that's the beauty of it. Holland keeping the douchebags that are just out to spite us out of it. If a team claims him, they'd better really want him, and he'd better really want them. :thumbup:

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Posted 21 January 2011 - 05:31 PM

it is my belief that if Geno (I hate the nickname Nabby, besides that was a SJ thing) is able to become a Red Wing, Osgood will be put on LTIR for the rest of the season, opening up $1.4M of cap space and then at the trade deadline, they will trade Hudler and his OVERPAID $2.8M, opening up even more to allow them to acquire a missing piece to put them over the top to win the Cup. Trade Hudler for a pick, then get a player with over $4.2M in cap space...it's so simple it's hidden right in plain view!


Have you even watched the Wings play in the last month?

Hudler's stats in that time:
12gp 3g 8a 11pts +2 2pim ~15 TOI/G (I'll be damned if I'm going to add all the times on ice up for those games and average them)
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So Hudler's apparently turned the corner since he got his confidence back after his 1g1a game against Colorado.

And now you're advocating dumping him? :lol: 2.8 mil is a bargin for those numbers. We can't be sure whether he'll play at this level (the level he is historically known to play at based on his previous NHL seasons) or the garbage play he showed us before Christmas. Either:

A.) you think his early struggles were because he had trouble making the transition from KHL to NHL (game play and physical conditioning) which was compounded by a slump that caused him to lose confidence in himself.

or

B.) you have some sort of mental defect and think that some time between his 26th and 27th birthday he did a complete 180 and became a terrible hockey player (and the last month is a fluke)

But hey, you were the loudest voice calling for Leino's departure (man that sure makes you look brilliant now).
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Posted 21 January 2011 - 05:35 PM

If Nabby ends up here, Osgood will come back after the trade deadline. After the deadline, there are no restrictions on roster size.

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Posted 21 January 2011 - 05:35 PM

And that's the beauty of it. Holland keeping the douchebags that are just out to spite us out of it. If a team claims him, they'd better really want him, and he'd better really want them. :thumbup:

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Posted 21 January 2011 - 05:35 PM

1. I think Osgood will be fine when he comes back. The fact that he was playing through the injury at all makes me think that he's going to come back strong. It might take him a few games to get sharp, but he's been looking good this year.

2. I like Jimmy and I have a lot of faith in his ability to develop into a real-deal starting goalie, but I don't think he's ready for the playoffs and I don't see how you can suggest he played "great" last year. Even the Osgood haters around here were calling for Osgood to go in! He had his moments where he came up big, but he had far too many moments where he utterly and completely dropped the ball. You don't become a playoff goalie overnight. I've maintained all along that it was just too much for him early on.

If we're able to keep Nabokov, it's really nothing but a positive in the short run. I trust him more than Howard in the playoffs at this current point in time and if indeed Osgood isn't able to get things going, it'll be good to have Nabokov around.

That said, I don't think this is good for Howard. He's struggled this year and this is hardly a vote of confidence in him. Do you think for a second that they would have made this move last year when he was playing great? Really? If he wasn't letting in 4 goals a game on a regular basis and getting pulled, do you really think Holland would make a move now? Even with the injuries, I highly doubt it. I really can't help but think this might be the first sign that Howard will not be returning next year. Think about this...

If he can't beat out Nabokov for the starting role after struggling last playoffs and then struggling this season, they're not going to want to throw a lot of money at him. Same can be said if Osgood ends up starting in the playoffs, but if Nabokov starts and does well, they'll sign him and Osgood up before Howard and Osgood. Howard's not going to take a backup role for a million or less now, but Osgood will.

One of two things has to happen for Howard to stick around: he either has to play great from here on out and steal the show and show some semblance of success in the playoffs, or Nabokov has to be terrible.

And personally, I'd rather hang tight until Osgood comes back and let them fight it out and keep them both around next year at reasonable prices. Having three goalies around is never a good idea. Even if they're all decent guys, the simple "two net" thing will get frustrating real quick.


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Posted 21 January 2011 - 05:36 PM

He has a no move clause, meaning he MUST stay on the roster if claimed. No team will take him unless they really want him.

Which, it is crazy but I really think that is the San Jose Sharks. It is just cohesive for them to go and grab him back. I know I know.... (provide 'what do you know?!' repsonses now)
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Posted 21 January 2011 - 05:38 PM

You hate Howard. We get it.


Seriously? Really? Did you even read what I wrote? Funny that I would hate him and not like this move because I think that it's very likely to box him out of Detroit. Brilliant logic as usual, Crymson.
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Posted 21 January 2011 - 05:38 PM

Stop being such a Hudler slappy.

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Posted 21 January 2011 - 05:49 PM

You hate Howard. We get it.


Excellent ad hom.

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Posted 21 January 2011 - 05:50 PM

He has a no move clause, meaning he MUST stay on the roster if claimed. No team will take him unless they really want him.


I don't think that is necessarily true, I think there might be several teams that see $260K for the rest of the season as a pretty good investment (even if you don't really want Nabokov) just to keep him from going to the Wings. Not everyone has the cap/roster space problems that the Wings have.

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Posted 21 January 2011 - 05:54 PM

You hate Howard. We get it.


Asked about the Nabokov signing, Howard said: "That's out of my hands. That's up to management and what they think. If he can help us, he can help us."
Asked whether he thought Nabokov, 35, was signed as insurance or to push him, Howard said: "I don't need anyone to push me. I push myself. I work hard in practice every single day, and I just go out there and try to win games for the guys."


Read more: Wings know Nabokov a long way from joining team | freep.com | Detroit Free Press http://www.freep.com/article/20110121/SPORTS05/101210437/Wings-know-Nabokov-a-long-way-from-joining-team#ixzz1BiEnTq2D

This is why I called this a bulls*** move earlier. I don't think it's fair to Howard and I don't like the way he's been set up. I'm not angry at Howard for his play this year, though it's frustrating. And while I don't hate Babcock, you could say it angers me to consider the manner in which he's dealt with Howard. I've said all along that he's being set up to be run down and I didn't like it. I think he's got a load of potential and I feel like they've squandered it, and any way you shake it, to me this move feels like they've given up on Howard.

And I don't like it one damn bit.

Howard's the first guy to come through the organization that I think has the attitude and skill to be the long-term goalie since the last long-term goalie, Chris Osgood. I think it's total bulls*** that Babcock tried to fast track his development at the risk of him crashing, when he really should know better. Countless other young goalies who burn out fast tell the tale. As the pressure mounts and they're not mentally acclimated enough to the NHL game to deal with it, things fall apart. I don't think it was fair to Howard at all and I don't like it one bit.

Whether he moves to another team or never returns to a consistent form, I think it will be an absolute shame.

And the only animosity I will have towards anyone involved in the matter will be Mike Babcock.
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