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[Electrophile]

Would someone here please define "tolled", or "tolling"? If it's already defined here, sorry. But THANKS.

I don't know if that's sarcasm or not, but think of For Whom The Bell Tolls. It means to cause a bell to sound slowly, and is repeated.

[scottj]

Just like how Brady Hoke and University of Michigan football will not get the same level of recruits they were getting five years ago under Lloyd Carr, simply because Rich Rod spent a few years doing nothing but sucking ass.

I hate that

[drwscc]

If Snow had picked up the phone and called Nabby/Meehan directly, and said "Hey, I am thinking about picking you up. Are you willing to show up?" and been told no, he could have avoided the whole situation.

Nobody wants a player who has 0 desire to play for your team, especially not a goalie. Snow is in a lose-lose here, and so is Nabby. He had the right to pick Nabby off the waivers, but Nabby has the right not to show up. Or, he could show up, and cause problems. Or play one period, and fake an injury, and be done for the year. Or never play again. It's all a big crapshoot.

And for those saying that if Holland did the same thing, we'd all be cheering, I don't think the situations are even remotely similar. The Islanders have spent the past few years showing the world that they are poorly run, that they have no interest in beoming a place where players want to play. The Wings, on the other hand, are a well run organization, that show remarkable loyalty to players that sign there. If the situation was reversed, and the Islanders were the team that Nabby tried to sign with, Holland would have made a quick phone call, discovered the player had no intention of suiting up for the team, and either passed, or picked him up to prevent someone else from getting him. Noone wins if you try to force an unwilling person to work for you.

Had Snow played it that way (i.e. he doesn't want to play for us, but we're picking this guy up so team X doesn't get him) I think most folks would understand. But to ****** someone up who was coming back, and wanted a chance to go to the playoffs, and then just act like "who cares what he wants. he's livestock," is just the wrong way to handle this.

[LeftWinger]

Yep, it's a genius move by Holland to attempt to pick up Nabokov as a backup for nothing on a near-minimum contract. But when Snow actually does get him for that amount on waivers, Snow is an idiot.

Even though with Nabokov not reporting and suspended, he ends up as Islanders property for next year. Wow, now Snow has a very good goalie on a low one-year deal that he can trade in the summer to a team looking for goaltending. Worst case, he gets a pick or two.

Snow sure is stupid to get free draft picks or prospects, or even better, contributing roster players.

Well considering that the only reason Snow GOT him is because of Hollands footwork. Do you think Nabokov would even consider signing that contract with the Islanders outright? So, Snow didn't get him for that amount, he was handed him for that amount because of a stupid rule. But alas, it is a rule, so he is an Islander. But Snow is an idiot, he probably thought they were buddies because he is a former goaltender and hey have that goaltender comradeship. Hey Snow, CLICK! Just like when Barry Sanders told Matt Millen to get off his porch! "But Barry, it's me! Matt Millen!"

[weGotTheCup89]

Half a year ago, the goalie they rely on wasn't injured.

Also, I still can't find one single article stating that Nabokov told anybody that his wish was to play for a Cup contending team. All I could find was Nabby saying he wanted to get back into the NHL and his agent saying he would play for any team that grabbed him. But let's just assume, for the sake of this discussion that he DID say that. Who's fault is it that mixed messages are being released to the public? Nabokov & his agent's. You can't get mad at someone for making a decision based on something your agent said when you did absolutely nothing to try and correct the situation. If what you say is true, they let both the rumors fly around. That's not Snow's fault.

In my opinion, signing a 570k contract specifically with the Red Wings hinted as his intentions that he wanted to play for a contender. I believe he could've gotten more if he had talked to another team that needed a goalie at this point in the season and had more than exactly 570k in cap space.
Here's your quote, though it's recent, and there was no reason to make a statement before saying he didn't want to play for [specific team]:

"It's nothing against the Islanders and their organization," Nabokov told espn.com on Sunday. "It's just that I'm at the point in my career where I want to help a team win in the playoffs."

Read more: http://www.nypost.co...P#ixzz1CB6VWF87

[vladdy16]

And for those saying that if Holland did the same thing, we'd all be cheering, I don't think the situations are even remotely similar. The Islanders have spent the past few years showing the world that they are poorly run, that they have no interest in beoming a place where players want to play. The Wings, on the other hand, are a well run organization, that show remarkable loyalty to players that sign there.

Had Snow played it that way (i.e. he doesn't want to play for us, but we're picking this guy up so team X doesn't get him) I think most folks would understand. But to ****** someone up who was coming back, and wanted a chance to go to the playoffs, and then just act like "who cares what he wants. he's livestock," is just the wrong way to handle this.

The Wings were not always so well-run. It took Ilitch & Co. decades to get where they are now, and I'm fairly certain not all of their moves were on the up-and-up. (See Fedorov) Snow's job is to do the best he can to improve and maintain the team. He's done nothing more than that in this case.

Well considering that the only reason Snow GOT him is because of Hollands footwork. Do you think Nabokov would even consider signing that contract with the Islanders outright? So, Snow didn't get him for that amount, he was handed him for that amount because of a stupid rule. But alas, it is a rule, so he is an Islander. But Snow is an idiot, he probably thought they were buddies because he is a former goaltender and hey have that goaltender comradeship. Hey Snow, CLICK! Just like when Barry Sanders told Matt Millen to get off his porch! "But Barry, it's me! Matt Millen!"

Of course Nabby wouldn't have signed a contract with NY outright. No one is arguing that. Whether it's right or wrong, the rule as it stands is that Nabby had to clear waivers. Everyone involved knew that better than we did, and were very much aware of the chances of this actually panning out in our favor. Am I pleased with this situaion? Hardly. It is what it is and I still fail to see how Snow did anything wrong or underhanded or something we should be angry about. It was a smart move on his part, and from what I understand, those are few and far between.

[weGotTheCup89]

The Wings were not always so well-run. It took Ilitch & Co. decades to get where they are now, and I'm fairly certain not all of their moves were on the up-and-up. (See Fedorov) Snow's job is to do the best he can to improve and maintain the team. He's done nothing more than that in this case.


Of course Nabby wouldn't have signed a contract with NY outright. No one is arguing that. Whether it's right or wrong, the rule as it stands is that Nabby had to clear waivers. Everyone involved knew that better than we did, and were very much aware of the chances of this actually panning out in our favor. Am I pleased with this situaion? Hardly. It is what it is and I still fail to see how Snow did anything wrong or underhanded or something we should be angry about. It was a smart move on his part, and from what I understand, those are few and far between.

1. For Fedorov, we didn't go to Russia and force him onto a plane to come play for us. Yes, we were the enabler, but we didn't help him do anything he didn't want to do.
2. Personally, I don't think there was anything wrong with Snow picking the guy up, it's in the rules, and was no way underhanded. What I do have a problem is when Nabokov says "I won't play for you," he goes back and says, "Well if you're not playing for us, you can't play for anyone" when Nabokov specifically stated he only wanted to play for a contender.
I have to believe the waiver rule will be looked at in the offseason, because as it stands, the NYI don't really have any motivation to let Nabokov go for nothing other than not looking like bad people in the eyes of future players who will think about playing in Long Island.

[LeftWinger]

The Wings were not always so well-run. It took Ilitch & Co. decades to get where they are now, and I'm fairly certain not all of their moves were on the up-and-up. (See Fedorov) Snow's job is to do the best he can to improve and maintain the team. He's done nothing more than that in this case.

Well, it actually took Ilitch about 7 years to be a perennial winner in the league and only about 12 years to be a perennial Stanley Cup contender, so decades is a stretch. Fedorov defected at the 1990 Goodwill Games in Seattle, when his team was here playing in the games, so there was nothing underhanded there (sure Ilitch probably enticed him to do so, but Fedorov still had to do it on his own and he did it legally.) Petr Klima on the other hand is whole different story. The actually were running through the woods with him (not Ilitch, but Wings officials) to an awaiting car where the took off with him and on to the United States. Ironically Konstantinov faked in-operable(in Russia) brain injury that could only be fixed in the United States. That is when he defected...

[scottj]

This just in: Russia's national team is ALSO suspending Nabokov for not showing up in the Olympics...

http://www.ff-press....o-olympics.html

guy just can't catch a break lol

[Vladifan]

I don't know if that's sarcasm or not, but think of For Whom The Bell Tolls. It means to cause a bell to sound slowly, and is repeated.

Smartass! Naw, I KNOW that one. More than one poster here has used those words. Is it that they don't know how to spell (whoa!) and are actually saying something like, "all told..". If that's not it, I reeeely wanna know what it means.

Thanks anyways!

If I were Nabby I would report to the Islanders and take a nap in the crease during my first game. Not even attempt to make a save, let in 7 goals on his first 8 shots as an Islander. Just to piss Garth Snow and Charles Wang off.

Hopefully they'd get the hint and let him go.

Free Tibet.
Free Willy.
Free Nabby!

OK, but if he goes into the fetal position, he sure as hell should have his butt facing out of the crease. More padding, ya know?

[Konnan511]

So does he just have to play one game before the end of the season?

[MacK_Attack]

but he signed with the wings..not with the islanders...everyone keeps forgetting that it seems. they had half a year to sign him if they wanted to..now they do it after the wings sign him and after he said many times that he wanted to play for a contender. did the isle not think this was going to go wrong that they picked someone up that has a NMC and that signed with a team? And it seems that some GM's per reports are happy they picked him up just for the fact that Detroit didn't get him....so how do we know the islanders didn't do that? or is it because eva said so?

It doesn't matter how the Islanders acquired his contract. The fact is, they hold his contract and Nabokov is refusing to fulfill the obligations of that contract. Based on past precedent, the Islanders have the ability to request that Nabokov's contract be held over into 2011/12.

[Joey v3.4]

Simple solution.

Fake his death, change his identity, and pretend we found him playing goalie in an alley somewhere.

Some simple reconstructive surgery on his face may be necessary too.

[Shady Ultima]

Smartass! Naw, I KNOW that one. More than one poster here has used those words. Is it that they don't know how to spell (whoa!) and are actually saying something like, "all told..". If that's not it, I reeeely wanna know what it means.

Thanks anyways!

I believe that tolling means that the NHL forces the player to play the contract out. In Nabby's case, his contract would be tolled and he would be an Islander for the 2011-2012 season, making 570k for the season.

[Hockeytown0001]

It would be interesting to see the crowd's reaction if he were to make an appearance at the Joe. I'm betting cheers.

[arentino]

Simple solution.

Fake his death, change his identity, and pretend we found him playing goalie in an alley somewhere.

Some simple reconstructive surgery on his face may be necessary too.

Is that you Harlan - I thought you only wrote about basketball.

[hillbillywingsfan]

Smartass! Naw, I KNOW that one. More than one poster here has used those words. Is it that they don't know how to spell (whoa!) and are actually saying something like, "all told..". If that's not it, I reeeely wanna know what it means.

Thanks anyways!



OK, but if he goes into the fetal position, he sure as hell should have his butt facing out of the crease. More padding, ya know?

be careful not to call someone a name even just joking and even after you tell a mod that the person you called it to was a friend. i was suspended for a week for that. just saying.


i still think nabby should hold out. i dont' think the nhl will grant the contract carry over. he signed with Detroit period. not with the isle. and i don't care right or wrong we all feel that the rule is bad in the cba and we hate it. he signed a contract with Detroit. which means something. to be able to just be picked up from someone off of waivers just because or whatever is just crazy to me.

[Hockeytown0001]

be careful not to call someone a name even just joking and even after you tell a mod that the person you called it to was a friend. i was suspended for a week for that. just saying.


i still think nabby should hold out. i dont' think the nhl will grant the contract carry over. he signed with Detroit period. not with the isle. and i don't care right or wrong we all feel that the rule is bad in the cba and we hate it. he signed a contract with Detroit. which means something. to be able to just be picked up from someone off of waivers just because or whatever is just crazy to me.

Islanders - "Ho ho, we'll show HIM the consequences of not wanting to join us!"

[chuklz]

Islanders - "Ho ho, we'll show HIM the consequences of not wanting to join us!"

He should show and get the f*** out of there for next season.

[chrisdetroit]

The Wings were not always so well-run. It took Ilitch & Co. decades to get where they are now, and I'm fairly certain not all of their moves were on the up-and-up. (See Fedorov) Snow's job is to do the best he can to improve and maintain the team. He's done nothing more than that in this case.


Of course Nabby wouldn't have signed a contract with NY outright. No one is arguing that. Whether it's right or wrong, the rule as it stands is that Nabby had to clear waivers. Everyone involved knew that better than we did, and were very much aware of the chances of this actually panning out in our favor. Am I pleased with this situaion? Hardly. It is what it is and I still fail to see how Snow did anything wrong or underhanded or something we should be angry about. It was a smart move on his part, and from what I understand, those are few and far between.

No. It was a stupid move on his part. It blew-up in his face. He has so far gotten nothing out of it but a public feud with Nabakov and his agent.

Nabakov doesn't have a Islanders uniform on does he?

He said in an interview with MSG that he didn't even consider that Nabakov wouldn't report. Why? Everybody else in the world thought that it might happen....

Simple solution.

Fake his death, change his identity, and pretend we found him playing goalie in an alley somewhere.

Some simple reconstructive surgery on his face may be necessary too.

No. That violates rule 34.2.1.3.2.b and is subject to a $3.5 million fine and the loss of 3 first round draft picks which states that "No player may willingly fake his death in order to circumvent the cap unless he is Sydney Crosby or another player whom Sydney appoints as a stand in"

Edited by chrisdetroit, 27 January 2011 - 12:40 PM.