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[mmamolo]

If I were Nabokov I would hold out for a little while longer to prove to everyone that he was serious. Then settle his differences with Snow and report. Then after a few games (enough that he can claim he made an effort) say that he just can't handle playing for a s*** team. Walk out and claim it was for personal reasons. The Isles can then suspend him again if they want. But at that point since he would have reported they can no longer toll his contract over.

[Vladifan]

I believe that tolling means that the NHL forces the player to play the contract out. In Nabby's case, his contract would be tolled and he would be an Islander for the 2011-2012 season, making 570k for the season.

Aha! Thanks, Shady.

be careful not to call someone a name even just joking and even after you tell a mod that the person you called it to was a friend. i was suspended for a week for that. just saying.

Thanks!

[St. Michael (the Red Wing)]

As much as it sucked that Snow and the Islanders claimed him. I'm pretty sure some other team would have claimed him. Snow is a terrible GM however I see where he's coming from on claiming Nabokov. The Islanders goaltending status is in shambles as always and they're team stinks as usual. However rules are rules. I think the league will address this sometime soon hopefully. Holland knew this was risky. I'm quite surprised he took the chance. Honestly Holland had to know someone else would claim him considering what happened with Svatos and Wellwood. Anyways I wasn't expecting to land Nabokov and I'm quite surprised by the number of people on here that thought we would get him. Would have been interesting to have Nabokov though.

Edited by St. Michael (the Red Wing), 27 January 2011 - 02:33 PM.

[xtrememachine1]

At this point, I don't really understand why the Islanders don't put him back on waivers. He doesn't want to play there and if you were in Snow's position would you want a guy that doesn't want to be there in your locker room? There's nothing in it for Nabokov. Playing on the worst team in the league for peanuts is lose-lose. Playing for them won't increase his value, he won't get a chance at a championship and he'll make almost no money in the process. The Isles tolling his contract would be really dumb. How does a 35, going on 36, year old goalie fit in the long term plans of this franchise? Maybe they could trade him next year, but with him holding out, they have no leverage in a trade.

[ben_usmc]

am I the only one who thinks this situation should just end, I mean Nabby was not that great the last few years and he could be even worse now. Yeah he would be a good back up, but at this point it doesn't even seem that worth it.

[wings_fanatic]

I assure you Nabby would be taking that starting job from Howard... Howard simply is NOT cutting it this year. Last night was the 2nd time in a long while that he allowed fewer than 3 goals, and the goal he did let in was absolutely terrible. We need Ozzie to come back strong in March because IMO if he can get goin in time he will be starting

[chrisdetroit]

am I the only one who thinks this situation should just end, I mean Nabby was not that great the last few years and he could be even worse now. Yeah he would be a good back up, but at this point it doesn't even seem that worth it.

Nabby had his best playoff year last year. I'd take him in a heartbeat.

[hillbillywingsfan]

am I the only one who thinks this situation should just end, I mean Nabby was not that great the last few years and he could be even worse now. Yeah he would be a good back up, but at this point it doesn't even seem that worth it.

Yes you are.

[e_prime]

If I were Nabokov I would hold out for a little while longer to prove to everyone that he was serious. Then settle his differences with Snow and report. Then after a few games (enough that he can claim he made an effort) say that he just can't handle playing for a s*** team. Walk out and claim it was for personal reasons. The Isles can then suspend him again if they want. But at that point since he would have reported they can no longer toll his contract over.

This.

Either that, or as mentioned before, go down with a "mystery injury"

[Matt]

I assure you Nabby would be taking that starting job from Howard... Howard simply is NOT cutting it this year. Last night was the 2nd time in a long while that he allowed fewer than 3 goals, and the goal he did let in was absolutely terrible. We need Ozzie to come back strong in March because IMO if he can get goin in time he will be starting

Terrible because there's not a soul on the roster right now that can (or is willing) to clear out the front of the net? That's been systemic of the Red Wings' play of late and that certainly isn't Howard's fault. He hasn't been as electrifying as he was down the stretch last year, but the Red Wings' defense around the net has been abysmal so far this season.

[Konnan511]

Terrible because there's not a soul on the roster right now that can (or is willing) to clear out the front of the net? That's been systemic of the Red Wings' play of late and that certainly isn't Howard's fault. He hasn't been as electrifying as he was down the stretch last year, but the Red Wings' defense around the net has been abysmal so far this season.

It was his fault. Bad rebound control and bad recovery. Other than that he played lights out, absolutely lights out.

[drwscc]

So, we're back to Ozzie is still good then? Ozzie and Howard were almost identical before they went down. If Howard is bad because of the D, then so is Ozzie.

[scottj]

lol I don't care how s***ty your ONE goal allowed in the game is... if that was you're only one, it should be enough

[puckloo39]

Terrible because there's not a soul on the roster right now that can (or is willing) to clear out the front of the net? That's been systemic of the Red Wings' play of late and that certainly isn't Howard's fault. He hasn't been as electrifying as he was down the stretch last year, but the Red Wings' defense around the net has been abysmal so far this season.

You couldn't possibly be more correct, sir. Thank you!

So, we're back to Ozzie is still good then? Ozzie and Howard were almost identical before they went down. If Howard is bad because of the D, then so is Ozzie.

Blasphemy.

I think it's called bias, by the way.

Edited by puckloo39, 27 January 2011 - 09:48 PM.

[atodaso]

Terrible because there's not a soul on the roster right now that can (or is willing) to clear out the front of the net? That's been systemic of the Red Wings' play of late and that certainly isn't Howard's fault.

agreed but... the fact that the guys are forced to clear out the front of the net 8-10 times per game is howard's fault

[Doc Holliday]

Terrible because there's not a soul on the roster right now that can (or is willing) to clear out the front of the net? That's been systemic of the Red Wings' play of late and that certainly isn't Howard's fault. He hasn't been as electrifying as he was down the stretch last year, but the Red Wings' defense around the net has been abysmal so far this season.

You know what?

Howard should have controlled the rebound. Because of his error the defense scrambled and Nicklas Lidstrom did his damnedest to keep the puck out and Zetterberg tried to cover the man Lidstrom had abandoned in his frenzy. Without Howard's gaffe they take a defensive zone faceoff and possibly give Howard a chance to watch THEM screw up a play once again.

Sure, the defense has been bad, but it was hella good last night and did everything they could except "OH MY GARSH HE DIDNT MAKE A FLYING BODY CHECK HE IS DOING IT WRONG".

Didn't Detroit win a cup while all of the fans here were kicking and screaming about the fact Detroit is never physical enough in front of the net? You would think after 6 years we would stop harping on that issue so much. It isn't going to change. That is the system they employ and they have won with it and had issues with it.

[eva unit zero]

At this point, I don't really understand why the Islanders don't put him back on waivers. He doesn't want to play there and if you were in Snow's position would you want a guy that doesn't want to be there in your locker room? There's nothing in it for Nabokov. Playing on the worst team in the league for peanuts is lose-lose. Playing for them won't increase his value, he won't get a chance at a championship and he'll make almost no money in the process. The Isles tolling his contract would be really dumb. How does a 35, going on 36, year old goalie fit in the long term plans of this franchise? Maybe they could trade him next year, but with him holding out, they have no leverage in a trade.

Teams whose starter is a UFA this summer:

Buffalo, Colorado, Florida, Ottawa, Phoenix, San Jose, Tampa Bay, Toronto.

That's eight teams. He would be an upgrade on six of them.

I can think of at least two more that would be interested in trading for his services.

Ten of 29. That's about 35%.

Given Nabokov's ability and cap hit, his trade value is through the roof. So even with what leverage Snow loses due to being forced into a trade, he still will be able to get a strong return.

[Shady Ultima]

Teams whose starter is a UFA this summer:

Buffalo, Colorado, Florida, Ottawa, Phoenix, San Jose, Tampa Bay, Toronto.

That's eight teams. He would be an upgrade on six of them.

Which six? I see 5, maybe.
Buffalo - Miller is better
Florida - Vokoun is better
Phoenix - Bryz is better

Roloson is about the same in skill level, but younger.

And it doesn't matter. He has a NMC, meaning that he wouldn't be going to any of those teams anyways. And I bet the 10 other teams in the league who WOULD want him, he wouldn't be willing to waive his NMC for.

[Crymson]

You know what?

Howard should have controlled the rebound. Because of his error the defense scrambled and Nicklas Lidstrom did his damnedest to keep the puck out and Zetterberg tried to cover the man Lidstrom had abandoned in his frenzy. Without Howard's gaffe they take a defensive zone faceoff and possibly give Howard a chance to watch THEM screw up a play once again.

Sure, the defense has been bad, but it was hella good last night and did everything they could except "OH MY GARSH HE DIDNT MAKE A FLYING BODY CHECK HE IS DOING IT WRONG".

Didn't Detroit win a cup while all of the fans here were kicking and screaming about the fact Detroit is never physical enough in front of the net? You would think after 6 years we would stop harping on that issue so much. It isn't going to change. That is the system they employ and they have won with it and had issues with it.

Losing the team's most physical defenseman doesn't help.

[Finnish Wing]

Roloson is about the same in skill level, but younger.

Roloson is six years OLDER than Nabokov.