Pat 44 Report post Posted January 21, 2011 (edited) Here is the link to the yahoo article: http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/blog/puck_daddy/post/Video-Controversial-goal-review-angers-Kings-G;_ylt=AgXVX6RPDv8TtLgBpUT43QB7vLYF?urn=nhl-310457 They claim bias after 1 disallowed goal, we have to deal with it when were in the playoffs(Homer Disallowed Goals) Edited January 21, 2011 by Pat Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rivalred 630 Report post Posted January 21, 2011 NHL dropped the ball one that one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hockeytown0001 7,652 Report post Posted January 21, 2011 The NHL? Making the wrong call? This is a first. 1 Hockeytown_Ryan reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
haroldsnepsts 4,826 Report post Posted January 21, 2011 (edited) That's a terrible call. To be clear, we're not talking about a high speed deflection off a slapshot here. The puck was lofting up in the air and he took a baseball swing at it. It's pretty easy to tell it was a high stick. On the replay you can see an angle where you're watching Hanzal from behind and his stick looks like it never even goes below crossbar height during the whole time he swings at the puck. I don't know about a conspiracy, but I do have to agree with Terry Murray when he wonders why they even have video replay. Though even beyond the replay it's ridiculous that the ref standing right there on the redline blew the call too. Edited January 21, 2011 by haroldsnepsts Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edicius 3,269 Report post Posted January 21, 2011 I think that has to be, by far, the worst non-call of the season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hockeytown0001 7,652 Report post Posted January 21, 2011 Reminds me of the Brad May no goal - why do we even have video replay if you're going to make the ass-backwards conclusion? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wing Across The Pond 196 Report post Posted January 21, 2011 Terrible call. But the worst thing?! The ice-level reply from behind Hanzal... puck goes in, directly between Hanzal and the goal, behind the glass, a girl celebrates by jumping up and down in a Pens jersey? Awful Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
under_par_00 45 Report post Posted January 21, 2011 This is very interesting. Here is a quote from the Kings GM Lombardi from an article on the Kings website: On-ice officials immediately called it a good goal, and after a video review of more than five minutes, the crew in Toronto, led by Mike Murphy, the NHL's senior vice president of hockey operations, ruled that the goal would stand."When the guy in Toronto making the decisions on the goals, in Ottawa and the one tonight, wanted the G.M.'s job in L.A. and was not happy about not getting it, you have to assume you are going to get those type of calls,'' Lombardi said. "However, we have put ourselves in a position where these calls have a monumental effect on our season, and we're going to have to find a way out of it ourselves.'' Full Article: http://kings.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=550145 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wing Across The Pond 196 Report post Posted January 21, 2011 Murray was asked if he got an explanation from the on-ice officials.``They don't come near you,'' Murray said. The other sucky thing there. No matter if you're wrong or right at least come out and say WHY you made the call. It's not an on-ice official's fault that Toronto screwed up so, in cases like this, officials could at least say something like "Oh from my position on the ice it did seem a good goal. If it wasn't, I'm sorry, I'm only human, and it's Toronto that you need to take it up with." I'd have a lot more respect for them if they actually spoke. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rick Zombos Ghost 82 Report post Posted January 21, 2011 HANZAL IS A BEAST. id take him on the wings in a heartbeat. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hooon 1,089 Report post Posted January 21, 2011 Yep. It never ceases to amaze me how they could possibly mess this one up. The problem is that there is absolutely nothing that will be done about it because the NHL will never admit even the slightest of wrongdoing, and there is no one for them to answer to. This one is just embarrassing though. It blows my mind that there is so much incompetence at that level of the NHL. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hockeytown0001 7,652 Report post Posted January 21, 2011 The NHL will investigate alleged comments made by Los Angeles Kings general manager Dean Lombardi that called into question the integrity of Mike Murphy, the NHL's senior vice-president of hockey operations.Lombardi's comments came after the Kings' 2-0 loss to the Phoenix Coyotes Thursday night, after a controversial opening goal by Martin Hanzal was allowed to stand. Hanzal, standing in front of L.A.'s net, appeared to bat the puck out of the air with a high stick. Officials immediately ruled it a goal, and after more than five minutes of video review with the crew in Toronto - led by Murphy - the goal stood. "When the guy in Toronto making the decisions on the goals, in Ottawa and the one tonight, wanted the G.M.'s job in L.A. and was not happy about not getting it, you have to assume you are going to get those type of calls," Lombardi was quoted as saying on the Kings' website. "However, we have put ourselves in a position where these calls have a monumental effect on our season, and we're going to have to find a way out of it ourselves." Lombardi made reference to L.A.'s Nov. 22 game in Ottawa, another time this season where he felt the on-ice officiating crew and video review team in Toronto made the incorrect call. In that game, officials disallowed Ryan Smyth's potential game-tying goal with three seconds left in the game. Video replay did not overturn the call on the ice. Murphy played 10 seasons with the Kings (1974-83) before becoming an assistant coach with the team for two-and-a-half seasons. He was a head coach for parts of the 1986-87 and '88-'89 seasons, stepping in as a mid-season replacement. Kings head coach Terry Murray also voiced his displeasure in the report. "I don't know why we have video replay in the National Hockey League," Murray said Thursday on LAKings.com. "That's all I can say. If the replay is there for review of goals and non-goals...I don't know. You've got a guy who gets credit for the goal. He's 6-foot-6, and the stick is up above his head. Matt Greene is 6'3", and he's batting the puck down his hand beside his ear, and the net is four feet high. It doesn't add up. "It makes no sense. No sense. How does it get called on the ice a goal, first of all, and then how does the replay hold it up? I don't know. I don't have an answer." Murphy defended his team's decision during the Kings' broadcast on Fox, saying there was no conclusive replay to overturn the goal. He said the crew in Toronto never saw the puck conclusively hit Hanzal's stick, while all the on-ice officials agreed on the goal call. Once the league confirms with Lombardi that he did indeed make the comments, the NHL is expected to respond with some form of discipline. So the NHL is taking pointers from the former Communist-run Soviet Union and investigating any dissent? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dragonballgtz 273 Report post Posted January 21, 2011 (edited) This is very interesting. Here is a quote from the Kings GM Lombardi from an article on the Kings website: Full Article: http://kings.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=550145 Now he is getting investigated for his comments. Never question the NHL decisions, they are always right. So the NHL is taking pointers from the former Communist-run Soviet Union and investigating any dissent? Oops I took to long to choose some emotions. Edited January 21, 2011 by dragonballgtz Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edicius 3,269 Report post Posted January 21, 2011 Props to Lombardi. Of course, on NHL Live today, they were saying that Lombardi should apologize to Murphy because they know Murphy and he's a "stand-up guy". Funny, that's the same kind of stuff they were spewing about "Colie" Campbell too. Every time I turn on that station, I'm reminded of what weak-ass, non-questioning ******* they've hired on NHL Home Ice. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sleepwalker 512 Report post Posted January 21, 2011 Reminds me of the Brad May no goal - why do we even have video replay if you're going to make the ass-backwards conclusion? Totally different situation. If you recall, the Toronto war room did rule the May goal a good one, but LaRue played the "intent" card and refused to reverse his on ice call, despite that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest CaliWingsNut Report post Posted January 21, 2011 (edited) The discussions between officials and the NHL reviewers should be public information. It's not like they are making a personal phone call. Officials should also be mic'd for delayed television replay of their exact comments, edited for swearing. Edited January 21, 2011 by CaliWingsNut Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
titanium2 867 Report post Posted January 21, 2011 Of course, on NHL Live today, they were saying that Lombardi should apologize to Murphy because they know Murphy and he's a "stand-up guy". Funny, that's the same kind of stuff they were spewing about "Colie" Campbell too. This is what I don't get about the whole "respect" issue sometimes. Is it really that big of a deal if a higher official is wrong from time to time? Makes me thing that objectivity doesn't really exist. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
toby91_ca 620 Report post Posted January 21, 2011 I haven't even looked at the video, so my comments are more general in nature. I would say that 99% of the time, in such a situation, the call on the ice will stand. If he called a no goal, the NHL wouldn't have overturned it and they probably would have even come to that conclusion quicker. The issue with batting the puck in with a high stick, different angles can really make the height of the puck look different, it's actually pretty amazing how different it can look. So, when they are trying to come up with "conclusive" evidence, it's diffult with this kind of a play, even when it looks like the most obvious call in the world. The photo in this thread doesn't really help either because A: you have the same angle issue and B: the stick isn't even touching the puck at that moment, so when does it. Again, haven't looked at the video though. If it was my team, I'm sure I'd be screaming blue murder though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hack & Whack Rule! 160 Report post Posted January 21, 2011 Yeah, I'm shocked that a bad call was made in the NHL, and even more shocked that it was upheld (insert sarcasm emoticon here, I don't want to look for one). Here's what I find weird, though. The NHL was looking at the same feed that we saw, per the commentators. Why aren't there crossbar level cameras in every arena, just for the purpose of reviewing crap like this? You can see that this camera angle is higher than the crossbar because you see too much of the top of the net. If I were a conspiracy theorist, I would say it is this way so that they can use their own discretion when making a call, rather than using common sense and doing what is right. And I agree with Cali's suggestion that officials should be mic'd, and we should also be able to see inside the war room. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cusimano_brothers 1,655 Report post Posted January 21, 2011 This officially eliminates Los Angeles from any consideration for future participation in the Bridgestone™ NHL Winter Classic. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hockeytown0001 7,652 Report post Posted January 21, 2011 Totally different situation. If you recall, the Toronto war room did rule the May goal a good one, but LaRue played the "intent" card and refused to reverse his on ice call, despite that. That wasn't Auger? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
atodaso 279 Report post Posted January 21, 2011 look at all those "fans" in that picture. way to watch the game! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dirtydangles 1,328 Report post Posted January 21, 2011 this is scary. i mean, this upsets me and i couldn't care less about the kings. how can the nhl protect the people who confirmed this call? who are the "crew in toronto?" do they bet on hockey? jesus thats poor. if everyone did their job as poorly, corruptly, and half assed as these guys, mankind would cease to exist. seems to me that these guys flip coins to determine if its a goal. but have shame on that one. agreed. officials should be mic'd and we should be able to see inside the war room when deliberating. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SDavis35 140 Report post Posted January 21, 2011 Isn't the rule that if a player of the defending team touches the puck prior to it's entry into the net then the goal is allowed? Watching the video on sportscentre this morning it appeared as though it went off the glove of the LA player and into the net, which if it were anywhere else on the ice would negate the high stick. I'm sure someone else can clarify, but if that is what happened then it's a good call. Of course if you want "conspiracy" why not argue that the NHL owns the Yotes? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Howard He Do It?! Report post Posted January 21, 2011 Dreger: $50,000 fine for Lombardi's comment. Ouch! Twitter Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
