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Wings Have To Toughen Up Soon

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We already have an enforcer

What we need is a Wrecker. Someone who will come out and throw the body on the 3rd or 4th lines in order to generate turnovers and get the opposing team off kilter. Drake did that in 2008 and we were rewarded as such with Lord stanley's presence in the Motor City.

Brandon Prust comes to mind.

Cal Clutterbuck, but MIN isn't letting go of him anytime soon.

Playoff Darren Helm

Playoff Kronwall

Any knucklehead who's been through the Anaheim system recently

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Hudler had 2 goals and 2 assists in the four games before the hit, and 2 goals and 6 assists the next 18 games after the hit. Draw your own conclusions.

esteef

Mine would be that he and the Wings played the Columbus Blue Jackets in round one but much better teams in every other round.

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You cannot disagree that the role of the enforcer is lessened during the playoffs. Things get locked down, time is rationed, and fights are less apparent.

Yeah much the same way that Hudlers role is reduced come playoffs. A 57 point scorer being demoted to the 4th line? Must be something useless about him come playoff time for his role to be lessened like that

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Yeah much the same way that Hudlers role is reduced come playoffs. A 57 point scorer being demoted to the 4th line? Must be something useless about him come playoff time for his role to be lessened like that

Not like playoff powerplay time counts or anything... He's a staple.

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Not like playoff powerplay time counts or anything... He's a staple.

Yeah hes a huge staple, last playoffs he had the 6th most PP time on ice out of every forward. And there are plenty of guys tha are less one dimensional then Hudler that can play the PP. I guess Williams was a staple too, shoulda kept him

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Yeah hes a huge staple, last playoffs he had the 6th most PP time on ice out of every forward. And there are plenty of guys tha are less one dimensional then Hudler that can play the PP. I guess Williams was a staple too, shoulda kept him

Horrible comparison.

Also in response to your "hudler's role is reduced in the playoffs to a fourth liner" assertion:

Hudler's 2008 TOI/g: 9th among forwards in regular season. 9th among forwards in playoffs

Hudler's 2009 TOI/g: 9th among forwards in regular season. 9th among forwards in playoffs

Good stuff.

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Horrible comparison.

Also in response to your "hudler's role is reduced in the playoffs to a fourth liner" assertion:

Hudler's 2008 TOI/g: 9th among forwards in regular season. 9th among forwards in playoffs

Hudler's 2009 TOI/g: 9th among forwards in regular season. 9th among forwards in playoffs

Good stuff.

Yeah and Hudlers ice time was cut by 2 minutes while Drakes increased considerably. Give me a playoff warrior like Drake over someone making almost 3 million and is completely one dimensional.

Why is it that Hudlers ice time drops in the playoffs but Drakes increased by pretty much the same margin? Hudler is not a playoff type player, he is too small and soft and after he got lit up he just disappeared.

Also Hudler was playing with Helm and Mccarty much of the 08 playoffs, that was the wings 4th line, so shove that up your assertion :cool:

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Yeah and Hudlers ice time was cut by 2 minutes while Drakes increased considerably. Give me a playoff warrior like Drake over someone making almost 3 million and is completely one dimensional.

Considerably? Not enough to be on the ice more than Hudler despite your statement that Hudler was "demoted to fourth line detail."

We've been over this, newfy.

Why is it that Hudlers ice time drops in the playoffs but Drakes increased by pretty much the same margin? Hudler is not a playoff type player, he is too small and soft and after he got lit up he just disappeared.

Once again, Hudler is a powerplay specialist who has a lot of skill but little speed and size. Drake's game translates better to the playoffs but is not a guy who is going to do much in the regular season offensively. Both players have their own uses. Unfortunately you prop up Drake due to a 20+ game schedule and bash Hudler for "only" performing during an 82 game schedule which requires performance to even make it to the playoffs. And Hudler has performed offensively in the playoffs before. It's not like he has been a playoff choker every season or something.

Also Hudler was playing with Helm and Mccarty much of the 08 playoffs, that was the wings 4th line, so shove that up your assertion :cool:

Despite that Hudler still had third liner ice time. Babcock obviously wanted him out there more than the two he was paired with, and his points in the 08 playoffs spoke for itself.

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Considerably? Not enough to be on the ice more than Hudler despite your statement that Hudler was "demoted to fourth line detail."

We've been over this, newfy.

Once again, Hudler is a powerplay specialist who has a lot of skill but little speed and size. Drake's game translates better to the playoffs but is not a guy who is going to do much in the regular season offensively. Both players have their own uses. Unfortunately you prop up Drake due to a 20+ game schedule and bash Hudler for "only" performing during an 82 game schedule which requires performance to even make it to the playoffs. And Hudler has performed offensively in the playoffs before. It's not like he has been a playoff choker every season or something.

Despite that Hudler still had third liner ice time. Babcock obviously wanted him out there more than the two he was paired with, and his points in the 08 playoffs spoke for itself.

First of all, youre right. Drake the guy with 6 points played 13 less seconds per game then 60 point scorer Jiri Hudler. That should show you something.

Hudler is not a PP specialist. A PP specialist is someone like Homer who makes a PP work, Hudler is a forward who plays PP because he has offensive skill. Just because thats the only time Hudlers skill set even shows a little bit doesn't make him a "specialist". Williams is also a specialist I guess eh, he was useless at even strength but played the PP every game.

HAHA this is hilarious, yeah youre right, that 20 game schedule where Drake performed is really similar to the season Hudler performed in. Youre seriously going to say the wings needed Hudlers performance to make the playoffs that season? No Hudler will not make this team miss playoffs, and EVERY wings fan knows players are judged in the playoffs, the season is just a warm up for the wings.

And finally, he did not have 3rd liner minutes, he played 8:50 even strength time per game and absolutely no PK. Hudler got ice time of a one dimensional forward who has some offensive skills but can't perform when the going gets tough.

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HAHA this is hilarious, yeah youre right, that 20 game schedule where Drake performed is really similar to the season Hudler performed in. Youre seriously going to say the wings needed Hudlers performance to make the playoffs that season? No Hudler will not make this team miss playoffs, and EVERY wings fan knows players are judged in the playoffs, the season is just a warm up for the wings.

This has nothing to do with your debate, but I agree with that statement. Why do you think Filppula gets bashed so much when he always steps up in the playoffs and is one of the few players in the entire league who's production is substantially better in the playoffs?

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First of all, youre right. Drake the guy with 6 points played 13 less seconds per game then 60 point scorer Jiri Hudler. That should show you something.

Hudler was a much better contributer to the offense than Drake?

Hudler is not a PP specialist. A PP specialist is someone like Homer who makes a PP work, Hudler is a forward who plays PP because he has offensive skill. Just because thats the only time Hudlers skill set even shows a little bit doesn't make him a "specialist". Williams is also a specialist I guess eh, he was useless at even strength but played the PP every game.

A specialist is someone who "specializes" in a certain skill. Hudler is able to do more with the time and space alloted to him because he is a very skilled player. Just small and slow.

Williams was a PP specialist who was only "a bit better than terrible" when he was here during his second stint. He scored a whopping 15 points compared to Hudler's 57.

HAHA this is hilarious, yeah youre right, that 20 game schedule where Drake performed is really similar to the season Hudler performed in. Youre seriously going to say the wings needed Hudlers performance to make the playoffs that season? No Hudler will not make this team miss playoffs, and EVERY wings fan knows players are judged in the playoffs, the season is just a warm up for the wings.

So you are saying that depth had nothing to do with Detroit doing as well as they did in the regular season of 08 and 09?

It's not like the only reason Detroit won the cup was due to Drake. He was a contributer, as was Hudler in the regular season. The difference is you shove aside Hudler's contributions simply because they weren't "clutch in the playoffs" and ignore Drake's lack of offensive contribution in the regular season because it appears the regular season doesn't matter for someone like him.

And finally, he did not have 3rd liner minutes, he played 8:50 even strength time per game and absolutely no PK. Hudler got ice time of a one dimensional forward who has some offensive skills but can't perform when the going gets tough.

Hudler was 4th in points of all forwards in the 08 playoffs. 9th in ice time. PP specialist or not he contributed better than all but three forwards on the offensive side. Hell Hudler was 6th in the 09 playoffs despite his weak second half of the tournament. You are just making things up, now.

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Yeah hes a huge staple, last playoffs he had the 6th most PP time on ice out of every forward. And there are plenty of guys tha are less one dimensional then Hudler that can play the PP. I guess Williams was a staple too, shoulda kept him

Man... your Hudler hate runs pretty deep. :)

Obviously it would be better if Hudler was big and mean on top of everything else. Unfortunately, players like that don't grow on trees at Hudler's salary. You can still dream. I'm just sayin.

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Hudler was 4th in points of all forwards in the 08 playoffs. 9th in ice time. PP specialist or not he contributed better than all but three forwards on the offensive side. Hell Hudler was 6th in the 09 playoffs despite his weak second half of the tournament. You are just making things up, now.

Yeah the 08 playoffs he played well, then he got hit once in 09 and disappeared. That is not a playoff player, and 2.8 million is not what you should be paying for a guy who can really only produce points on the PP, like I said earlier, bundle that money with what Miller is making and we could get a physical guy who can play the game well

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Yeah the 08 playoffs he played well, then he got hit once in 09 and disappeared. That is not a playoff player, and 2.8 million is not what you should be paying for a guy who can really only produce points on the PP, like I said earlier, bundle that money with what Miller is making and we could get a physical guy who can play the game well

The Wings offense as a whole suffered later on in those playoffs. Nobody except for a few did that well on the score sheet, including Hudler.

Could there be better options to trade for? Possibly. Do I think it is a huge deal and something the Wings absolutely need? Not really. Hudler is coming back to consistent and I believe he can still be as solid a contributer as he was back when he was here the first time.

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