This popped into my head when I saw a comment in the recent St Louis GDT bemoaning his robbing Zetterberg (and Nash) of the Calder.
Now of course, the further you go back, the less we all know about the players, but the names from 1970 onwards are familiar to most and in that period I can't find a Calder winner who has done less with his career than Jackman (and had such an undeserving winning season). An honourable mention goes to Sergei Samsonov, but at least he was a consistent 20 goal scorer at a time when scoring 20 goals was an achievement.
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Posted 28 January 2011 - 01:53 PM
"If I can be totally honest, it's not a lot of guys you get impressed by. Actually, it's no one else but him. From the bench, to see what move he makes -- you're like, 'I wish I could do that.' Sometimes you sit on the bench and just think, 'wow,' and you look over to the other bench and they sit there and shake their heads, too. He has great, great skills. I'm probably not going to play with another player who has the kind of skills he has." Mikael Samuelsson on Pavel Datsyuk
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Posted 28 January 2011 - 01:57 PM
that dude looks like an alien i've never liked him and every time i see him play against the wings and zetterberg i just always think how big of a mistake that was giving jackman the calder. IMO Jackman hasn't done s*it and his value has been falling dramatically every season for a calder winner i just don't think he's THAT good.
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Posted 28 January 2011 - 02:04 PM
I agree, but I'll play devil's advocate:
EDIT: Also, looking back, Brit Selby seems like a pretty weak choice.
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Must not have been any rookies in the league that year.
EDIT: Also, looking back, Brit Selby seems like a pretty weak choice.
1965-66 Toronto Maple Leafs NHL 61 14 13 27 26
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Must not have been any rookies in the league that year.
Edited by mjlegend, 28 January 2011 - 02:08 PM.
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Posted 28 January 2011 - 02:22 PM
I've said that before about Jackass.
He's no better player now than he was his rookie year. The guy has evolved into nothing.
He's no better player now than he was his rookie year. The guy has evolved into nothing.
According to my profile, my reputation is excellent. LOL.
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Posted 28 January 2011 - 02:41 PM
No doubt it should have gone to Z.
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Posted 28 January 2011 - 02:51 PM
Holy s***.... Sergei Makarov won it in 89-90 when he was 31 and people bitched about Jimmy possibly getting it last year at 25 
And yes Jackman is horrible. I tend to agree with this.
Honorable mention would have to be what mjlegend posted with Raycroft. He has been quite useless.
And yes Jackman is horrible. I tend to agree with this.
Honorable mention would have to be what mjlegend posted with Raycroft. He has been quite useless.
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Posted 28 January 2011 - 03:05 PM
Gotta admire Teemu's rookie season totals.
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Posted 28 January 2011 - 03:31 PM
if this topic was made at the beginning of the season i would have definitely mentioned Tyler Myers.
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Posted 28 January 2011 - 03:35 PM
How's that Calder looking now, Jackoff?
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Posted 28 January 2011 - 03:44 PM
I actually got into an argument a few years back with a blues fan about how that calder was totally deserved as Jackman was better at that time.
Maybe, Maybe not, but hindsight being what it is, it's a joke.
Maybe, Maybe not, but hindsight being what it is, it's a joke.
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Posted 28 January 2011 - 04:21 PM
Pretty sure they changed some kind of criteria after that season. Maybe that you couldn't have played more than a couple of professional seasons or something, I don't know...Holy s***.... Sergei Makarov won it in 89-90 when he was 31 and people bitched about Jimmy possibly getting it last year at 25
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Posted 28 January 2011 - 04:41 PM
Swell. Now my blood pressure's back up. He is my least favorite player, ever. He is hockey's black hole, except after the whistle when he really comes/knee-jerks alive. He talks like Dr. Strangelove and arm-wise, he's about as spastic and uncontrolled. He.has.accomplished.s***.
He deserved that trophy as much as I would have, and I've been on skates (mostly double-runners) about five times in my life.
He deserved that trophy as much as I would have, and I've been on skates (mostly double-runners) about five times in my life.
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Posted 28 January 2011 - 04:45 PM
Steve mason ain't looking too hot the years after his Calder season.
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Posted 28 January 2011 - 07:20 PM
i was gonna say this too but his team around him is pretty much garbage.Steve mason ain't looking too hot the years after his Calder season.
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Posted 28 January 2011 - 07:28 PM
No. It's laughable to suggest that Jackman was a bad Calder winner. He was extremely impressive in his first year in the league. I remember watching him play against the Canucks and thinking I was watching a future Norris candidate. As a matter of fact, that same year there were two teams I looked forward to playing more than any other; the Wings and Blues, and that was because of the battles that Bertuzzi had with Chelios and Jackman.
Jackman was an outstanding Norris pick. He just failed to develop.
Jackman was an outstanding Norris pick. He just failed to develop.
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Posted 28 January 2011 - 07:37 PM
I think maybe the purpose of this thread was to suggest that, in the grand scheme of all Calder winners in the history of the award, he has turned out to be the worst. In which case I would agree. Far from a laughable thing. I don't think people are saying his ACTUAL rookie season was bad. But, to look at the other Calder winners, his career has come up short to live up to that.No. It's laughable to suggest that Jackman was a bad Calder winner. He was extremely impressive in his first year in the league. I remember watching him play against the Canucks and thinking I was watching a future Norris candidate. As a matter of fact, that same year there were two teams I looked forward to playing more than any other; the Wings and Blues, and that was because of the battles that Bertuzzi had with Chelios and Jackman.
Jackman was an outstanding Norris pick. He just failed to develop.
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Posted 28 January 2011 - 08:37 PM
One of the worst, yes. The worst of the modern era, probably.
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Posted 28 January 2011 - 09:26 PM
Jackman wasn't even the best rookie defenseman that season; Bouwmeester was.
Both played about 20 minutes on their team on the first pair of a fairly thin defense corps; Jackman rode shotgun with Al MacInnis while Bouwmeester spent time largely with Ozolinsh or Majesky.
Given the injuries to Ozolinsh and Pronger, Jackman was basically the #2 in St. Louis and Bouwmeester the #1 in Florida.
Both played about 20 minutes on their team on the first pair of a fairly thin defense corps; Jackman rode shotgun with Al MacInnis while Bouwmeester spent time largely with Ozolinsh or Majesky.
Given the injuries to Ozolinsh and Pronger, Jackman was basically the #2 in St. Louis and Bouwmeester the #1 in Florida.
Edited by eva unit zero, 28 January 2011 - 09:32 PM.
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hugh jackman is the superior jackman 
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Posted 29 January 2011 - 01:28 AM
hugh jackman is the superior jackman
OH yeah. In every sense of the word.
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