2/2 GDT: Franzen 5 + Red Wings 2 (7) at Senators (5)

[puckbags 863]

Does anyone but me think that Patty Eaves would look good on the 2nd line with Flip and Cleary?

[10 Minute Misconduct 104]

lol i knew Detroit would have a problem tonight.

hate to say it, and i know the goals wern't his fault. but howard isn't gonna take us to the promise land. looks shakey every game!

[brett 1,029]

next time someone goes to a wings game, make a huge sign saying fire mcCrimmon hes ruining our defense. or run up behind babs and scream it all game

[Toefuzz 58]

In all honesty how responsible is McCrimmon? Is he like a defensive coordinator in football? If it was a scheme thing shouldn't we ultimately hold Babs responsible?

[CenterIce 83]

Our D is so effing bad. Why the F can't the rest of the coaching staff see that McCrimmon needs to go ASAP?

Um, the problem is not one coach. McCrimmon coaches the defensemen. That doesn't mean he came up with and enacted the entire defensive game plan. That would be all three coaches. Defense requires all five guys on the ice working together. As it can be seen, the Wings start and end periods flat. I believe that is mostly on the players relaxing too much. They need a full focused 60 minutes.

[donfishmaster 62]

If the net were 2 hookers I bet Hudler would shoot to score more instead of always looking for the pass.

And the scabs would help keep the puck out...BONUS!!!!!

[russianswede919293 95]

The most frustrating thing about McCrimmon is that MacLean was a great D-coach before he moved into McLellan's old spot.

We should have hired to replace McLellan and never should have moved MacLean from his old job...

[RedWingsRox 614]

Can we still get Nabby somehow?

[CenterIce 83]

lol i knew Detroit would have a problem tonight.

hate to say it, and i know the goals wern't his fault. but howard isn't gonna take us to the promise land. looks shakey every game!

I didn't get to see the first goal, but the other two were basically from two uncovered players getting off fast shots. Goalies play angles. They have to take the guy with the puck and have to leave the rest of the guys to their teammates.

[commadore183 103]

End of 1st Period

DET: 2

OTT: 3

[RedWingsRox 614]

I am NOT watching this SH*T of a game.

[Anijuice 93]

Is anyone watching the Zonein stream? Not the greatest quality but you get to hear Murph and Ken talk during the commercial breaks. They were laughing rather excessively before the game started - something about the audio, but it was pretty funny.

http://www.livesport23.blogspot.com/

[CenterIce 83]

Can we still get Nabby somehow?

Not much chance.

[edicius 3,269]

In all honesty how responsible is McCrimmon? Is he like a defensive coordinator in football? If it was a scheme thing shouldn't we ultimately hold Babs responsible?

Defensive coach. And any team he's come to as a defensive coach (Atlanta being the most recent, I believe) has suffered a precipitous drop in defensive statistics when compared to the previous season without him.

[titanium2 867]

Um, the problem is not one coach. McCrimmon coaches the defensemen. That doesn't mean he came up with and enacted the entire defensive game plan. That would be all three coaches. Defense requires all five guys on the ice working together. As it can be seen, the Wings start and end periods flat. I believe that is mostly on the players relaxing too much. They need a full focused 60 minutes.

next time someone goes to a wings game, make a huge sign saying fire mcCrimmon hes ruining our defense. or run up behind babs and scream it all game

This sign idea is still a good idea in my book. I'd like for the Detroit press to investigate this sort of thing. Maybe a fan with an obnoxious sign will finally get the media talking about it so that we can clarify for sure whether or not we should be dragging McCrimmon's name through the mud.

[Toefuzz 58]

Another random thought... No power plays for us that period. Seems to be happening too often lately. Work hard, move your feet and PP's will happen

[Esquire 324]

Bahahahahaha. Campoli's goal was his first in 43 games and first at home in a year??? Red Wings are all about firsts...

[syntax 359]

Um, the problem is not one coach. McCrimmon coaches the defensemen. That doesn't mean he came up with and enacted the entire defensive game plan. That would be all three coaches. Defense requires all five guys on the ice working together. As it can be seen, the Wings start and end periods flat. I believe that is mostly on the players relaxing too much. They need a full focused 60 minutes.

A message has to be sent. Our defensemen, not just our defense, have fared much more poorly under McCrimmon than McLellan. I'm not going to come out and say what exactly is going on with the D, but maybe a shake up on the defense coaching end will light a fire under the defensive portion of some players games and get them to play better. I just do not know what else it could be. All of our players suck on D now? Why?

[Toefuzz 58]

Defensive coach. And any team he's come to as a defensive coach (Atlanta being the most recent, I believe) has suffered a precipitous drop in defensive statistics when compared to the previous season without him.

Holland and Babs are usually pretty sharp guys. Seems strange they would have a defensive coach who sucks. Maybe Babcock should stare at him some more?

[CenterIce 83]

The most frustrating thing about McCrimmon is that MacLean was a great D-coach before he moved into McLellan's old spot.

We should have hired to replace McLellan and never should have moved MacLean from his old job...

Outside of the 2008 cup year and maybe a little the next, the Wings D has been like this for years. They usually try to enforce their will by their offense. Their minus first period goal differential in the first period this year is not helping.

[BlueMonk 102]

In all honesty how responsible is McCrimmon? Is he like a defensive coordinator in football? If it was a scheme thing shouldn't we ultimately hold Babs responsible?

I don't buy the scheme thing. It's players performing badly. There's no scheme that dictates Rafalski and Kronwall put the puck on the stick of an opposing forward every other time they attempt a first pass out of the defensive zone. The scheme doesn't tell the penalty killers to make limp-wristed clearing attempts that have no chance of getting out of the zone. No scheme is responsible for all the passes that arrive in skates and the Hail Mary attempts that almost never connect and instead almost always result in a giveaway and an odd-man rush the other way.

Coaching shares in the responsibility of players not performing to their abilities right now. But I don't think the problems stem from a systemic problem; they're happening because of guys making bad plays.

[edicius 3,269]

Outside of the 2008 cup year and maybe a little the next, the Wings D has been like this for years. They usually try to enforce their will by their offense. Their minus first period goal differential in the first period this year is not helping.

But I don't remember us constantly spotting the opposition 3 or 4 goals repeatedly. And as a result, Jimmy's likely to finish the season with a 3.00+ GAA and a sub-.900 SV%.

[commadore183 103]

Can we still get Nabby somehow?

After Nabby's bulls***, I don't want him, he could have left NYI at the end of the season and play with the Wings if he played 12 games, but he threw a temper tantrum and screwed himself, and I don't want a player like that. Suck it up, play your games, then you can go where you want.

Besides, he won't help as long as McCrimmon remains on the team.

[titanium2 867]

A message has to be sent. Our defensemen, not just our defense, have fared much more poorly under McCrimmon than McLellan. I'm not going to come out and say what exactly is going on with the D, but maybe a shake up on the defense coaching end will light a fire under the defensive portion of some players games and get them to play better. I just do not know what else it could be. All of our players suck on D now? Why?

I agree. I don't know about firing someone at this point but why not scrutinize the individual more with the media or whatever. If the players believe in him they'll have something to prove.

[CenterIce 83]

Our defensemen, not just our defense, have fared much more poorly under McCrimmon than McLellan.

MacLean was the defensemen coach before McCrimmon.