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[kook_10]

Q: "Nick, having been in a similar situation before - in particular last year - how does a captain and a champion deal with this sort of adversity?"

A: "Well, the only thing you can really do is look deep inside yourself and grab a firm hold of your yambag."

[Electrophile]

I'm really glad you all like the word yambags so much.

[Heroes of Hockeytown]

I'm not getting this attitude from some people that this team needs some kind of major roster shake-up.

This is pretty much the same roster that just saw a Championship, a SCF's appearance and overcame huge adversity last season only to be pimped in the second round.

Some of you need to chill. Wow.

I agree. Being shutout in back to back games definitely sucks, but at the end of the day it's just a two game losing streak, that's nothing in hockey. I'd be dollars to donuts they win on Monday, but even if not, a three game streak is only when I begin to start feeling concerned.

There are issues with the defense and goaltending, but when you look back on it there were in 2009 as well, but it turned out they were just waiting for the playoffs. It's annoying how by saving themselves for the postseason we end up with a lot of half-assing on a lot of nights, but you can't argue with the results, which you laid out up there.

If they get their asses kicked in the playoffs again and end up with a billion goals against then it might be time to think about changes; changes that are coming anyways whether we like it or not since Nick and Rafalski's time is almost up.

[Hockeytown0001]

Final score and recap now in OP. Unfortunately.

[wings1110]

I'm not getting this attitude from some people that this team needs some kind of major roster shake-up.

This is pretty much the same roster that just saw a Championship, a SCF's appearance and overcame huge adversity last season only to be pimped in the second round.

Some of you need to chill. Wow.

well the teams that made the finals had players like mccarty, downey, lilja, and drake. this team on the other hand likes to get pushed around. I just dont see the heart and emotion in this team that i have seen in the past. Im not saying get goon pylons (downey) but the team as a whole needs to grow some balls. guys like drake that play with a ton of heart, are contagious I want to see some emotion. Remember the first game of the season against the ducks? the team was pumped they played with heart didnt take s***, and looked like they wanted to be out on the ice! if i was babs i would play draper, helm, eaves,abby and draper the whole game, cuz they actually look like they wanna be out on the ice. bert looks like he would like to go take a nap during the games, and so do half the other players. skill alone doesnt get you wins, or a cup, heart, determination, effort, and a willingness to do whatever it takes does.

[Hockeytown0001]

Wonder what Jason Williams is up to these days.

[Broken 16]

I agree. Being shutout in back to back games definitely sucks, but at the end of the day it's just a two game losing streak, that's nothing in hockey. I'd be dollars to donuts they win on Monday, but even if not, a three game streak is only when I begin to start feeling concerned.

There are issues with the defense and goaltending, but when you look back on it there were in 2009 as well, but it turned out they were just waiting for the playoffs. It's annoying how by saving themselves for the postseason we end up with a lot of half-assing on a lot of nights, but you can't argue with the results, which you laid out up there.

If they get their asses kicked in the playoffs again and end up with a billion goals against then it might be time to think about changes; changes that are coming anyways whether we like it or not since Nick and Rafalski's time is almost up.

Ya. I hate going to this well too often because one of these years, they really are gonna suck, but we've got a great mix of seasoned veterans and hungry youth. Datsyuk is out. Stuart is out. Flip is still nursing a little I'm sure. Same with Cleary. I think Modano is still going to have a big impact. He should be back in time to get his legs and he was showing signs of nice chemistry before going down.

By biggest concern is goaltending. Looks like we are just gonna have to hope and pray that Jimmy gets hot at the right time.

[Broken 16]

well the teams that made the finals had players like mccarty, downey, lilja, and drake. this team on the other hand likes to get pushed around. I just dont see the heart and emotion in this team that i have seen in the past. Im not saying get goon pylons (downey) but the team as a whole needs to grow some balls. guys like drake that play with a ton of heart, are contagious I want to see some emotion. Remember the first game of the season against the ducks? the team was pumped they played with heart didnt take s***, and looked like they wanted to be out on the ice! if i was babs i would play draper, helm, eaves,abby and draper the whole game, cuz they actually look like they wanna be out on the ice. bert looks like he would like to go take a nap during the games, and so do half the other players. skill alone doesnt get you wins, or a cup, heart, determination, effort, and a willingness to do whatever it takes does.

NOT gonna get into a toughness debate with you... but McCarty was next to useless on his last stint. Lilja is wrecked. May as well not bring him up again because the player you are referencing is gone forever. The new, stripped down version of Lilja is on the Ducks. Downey... lol, Downey. Oddly beloved by some, nice guy apparently... waste of a roster spot come playoff time. Drake... was good... was NOT instrumental. That team would have won with <insert any rugged bottom six player here>.

But I do agree with the notion that seeing some fights and ugliness would have made tonights game mildly more interesting.

[10 Minute Misconduct]

well the teams that made the finals had players like mccarty, downey, lilja, and drake. this team on the other hand likes to get pushed around. I just dont see the heart and emotion in this team that i have seen in the past. Im not saying get goon pylons (downey) but the team as a whole needs to grow some balls. guys like drake that play with a ton of heart, are contagious I want to see some emotion. Remember the first game of the season against the ducks? the team was pumped they played with heart didnt take s***, and looked like they wanted to be out on the ice! if i was babs i would play draper, helm, eaves,abby and draper the whole game, cuz they actually look like they wanna be out on the ice. bert looks like he would like to go take a nap during the games, and so do half the other players. skill alone doesnt get you wins, or a cup, heart, determination, effort, and a willingness to do whatever it takes does.

Drake is the only player out of the ones you listed, and to an extent Lilja who even made an impact. Salei is an improvement over Lilja (even in the grittyness depeartment). That really has nothing to do with it.

[dirtydangles]

needs wayyyy more datsyuk

[atodaso]

Just threw this together for you guys.

you should make a thread about this

[uk_redwing]

... waste of a roster spot come playoff time.

Now there's a sentence that makes sense and doesn't contradict itself in 8 words.

Not sure how anyone can claim this team is lacking a physical element. It is. And its a disadvantage. The opposition can skate around the ice without a care/ache/bruise in the world.

(I said nothing about f***ting)

[Hockeymom1960]

It's the reason why I've been watching more, and more Boston Bruin games.

I couldn't agree more. I love our boys but to be honest I'm getting bored with them .

[St. Michael (the Red Wing)]

2 back to back shutout losses is no biggie in the nhl? Hahah unless you're the Detroit Red Wings. Not expected to get shutout with the lineup we have. Especially against Columbus and Nashville of all teams. The break seems to have done us a lot of good. Kinda hoping Modano comes back quicker now since no one can step up to the plate and score besides Franzen on a somewhat consistent basis. Draper has been ok since back from injury. Bertuzzi depends on the game when he decides he might want to play. Hudler needs to go. Been saying it all season, so have a lot of other people. Howard has been up and down. Anyways this team has a lot of room for improvement especially defensively. Maybe a trade is in order I don't know thank f*** I'm not Kenny. Let him deal with it...

p.s. I find our team highly overrated at the moment and nowhere near the top of the elite in the NHL. But that's regarding this season.

Dunno what's more frustrating this season or last. Last season we pulled it together and made a great late run drive to make the playoffs, and though there is still a lot of hockey to be played this season seems it might go in the opposite direction....

Unfortunately it sucks to be losing but the expectations were very high this season and it's been disappointing. Yes we were great the first 1/4 of season. However we played some not so great or not playoff bound teams and racked up the points. It's obviously showing now. This team is frustrating to watch cause it's what night do you show up? Wouldn't mind a full roster shake up next season with some of our young guns from the AHL making the big jump. Over and out...

Edited by St. Michael (the Red Wing), 06 February 2011 - 09:18 AM.

[Broken 16]

Now there's a sentence that makes sense and doesn't contradict itself in 8 words.

Not sure how anyone can claim this team is lacking a physical element. It is. And its a disadvantage. The opposition can skate around the ice without a care/ache/bruise in the world.

(I said nothing about f***ting)

Not sure what you mean with that first line, but you can't tell me the loss of any of those guys listed made a significant difference on this team. You guys wanna hold on to and cite Drake as our last savior and it's pretty hilarious.

You guys act like there are so many tough guys that would fit our system out there. I bet that 90% of these so-called 'bottom six team savers' would be thrown under the bus on this forum 10 days into their new contract.

[Broken 16]

2 back to back shutout losses is no biggie in the nhl? Hahah unless you're the Detroit Red Wings. Not expected to get shutout with the lineup we have. Especially against Columbus and Nashville of all teams. The break seems to have done us a lot of good. Kinda hoping Modano comes back quicker now since no one can step up to the plate and score besides Franzen on a somewhat consistent basis. Draper has been ok since back from injury. Bertuzzi depends on the game when he decides he might want to play. Hudler needs to go. Been saying it all season, so have a lot of other people. Howard has been up and down. Anyways this team has a lot of room for improvement especially defensively. Maybe a trade is in order I don't know thank f*** I'm not Kenny. Let him deal with it...

Two teams that have an elite goaltender. Think about it. The team is slumping, obviously, and they faced two great goaltenders.

p.s. I find our team highly overrated at the moment and nowhere near the top of the elite in the NHL. But that's regarding this season.

Lol... one of the top teams in the top conference. Ok.

Dunno what's more frustrating this season or last. Last season we pulled it together and made a great late run drive to make the playoffs, and though there is still a lot of hockey to be played this season seems it might go in the opposite direction....

Really? Riding the top 3 spot in the conference all season is somehow just as frustrating being on the bubble all season? This just keeps getting better.

Unfortunately it sucks to be losing but the expectations were very high this season and it's been disappointing. Yes we were great the first 1/4 of season. However we played some not so great or not playoff bound teams and racked up the points. It's obviously showing now. This team is frustrating to watch cause it's what night do you show up? Wouldn't mind a full roster shake up next season with some of our young guns from the AHL making the big jump. Over and out...

Teams in the NHL lose. Sometimes <gasp>, they lose two in a row. You sound like a Chicago fan.

[Hockeytown0001]

Detroit was shut out two games in a row last season - twice. Turned out to be okay.

Two teams that have an elite goaltender. Think about it. The team is slumping, obviously, and they faced two great goaltenders.

I wouldn't call either Mason or Rinne an elite goaltender. Mason had an elite rookie season in 08-09, but has been horribly average since then. He'll occasionally show flashes of brilliance again, but its too far and in between for Columbus' liking. He does, however, seem to be able to turn it up against Detroit, a team that's supposed to easily handle Columbus on paper.

Edited by Hockeytown0001, 06 February 2011 - 10:09 AM.

[nate94gt]

i know its easy to be all pissed off when the wings get shut out in consecutive games and are on a 2 game losing streak


but remember this little hiccup in february of 08?

[puckloo39]

I couldn't agree more. I love our boys but to be honest I'm getting bored with them .

They look bored, too. I don't think they are, don't get me wrong. But you can't let opportunities like the last two games (or any game) go to waste like this.

The Wings made Columbus and Nashville look like Cup winners. They didn't have to be very good to beat the Wings, let's face it. Jokes about Vezina winning efforts in opponents' nets aside - neither goalie had to ratchet out of daily practice mode to stop all the Wings' 69 shots on goal the last two games.

The Rangers should be afraid of facing a pissed-off Wings team. I bet they're not. They're going to come out and try to rip this team's heads off, and they probably will succeed if no one shows up to play again. Avery will have every right to make fun of his former team.

To whom much is given, much is expected. No one is going to give you anything in this life, Wings. You have to work for it. I miss seeing a work ethic out there. Stop expecting 'the other guy' to do all the work. ALL of the Wings need to show up, each of them assuming they are going to be the key factor in winning this game, and every game.

They should never step on the ice expecting to lose. It should honestly surprise them when they don't win. Take whatever happened and then attack it... go out there and fix it. Never let it happen again.


I dearly miss that work ethic on the ice and in the locker room. We had it once. We don't right now.

[Z and D for the C]

Detroit was shut out two games in a row last season - twice. Turned out to be okay.

It did? I seem to remember almost getting swept last playoffs.