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Your preferred era of play/officiating?

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  1. 1. Which era?

    • 1980's thru early 1990's
    • mid 1990's thru 2004
    • post lockout

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Since the early 80's we fans have seen the game change quite a bit...Watching old footage I forgot how much hooking, clutching, and interferance took place in those days - however there was a limit (unlike the clutch & grabbing we had seen from the mid 90's until the lockout), and the ref then made the call, but for the most part he let the players play.

Today we have "zero tolerance" on hooking/holding/obstruction, but we all know this policy has it's faults.

What era do you guys/gals favor?

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The 80's.

For whatever reason, the clutching and grabbing wasn't (or didn't seem) as blatantly obvious as it became during the 1995-2004 era. You didn't seem to have a bunch of guys who would just latch their sticks onto another player, and literally be ferried down the ice (which, as we know, was a huge problem during the Dead Puck era).

Maybe I'm biased (I do love 80's hockey, for a number of reasons), but I thought the officiating seemed more balanced then than it does now. You had clutching, hooking, and all that jazz... but it wasn't as over the top as the late 90's/early 00's was, nor was it as overly strict as the game has become post-lockout.

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The 80's.

For whatever reason, the clutching and grabbing wasn't (or didn't seem) as blatantly obvious as it became during the 1995-2004 era. You didn't seem to have a bunch of guys who would just latch their sticks onto another player, and literally be ferried down the ice (which, as we know, was a huge problem during the Dead Puck era).

Maybe I'm biased (I do love 80's hockey, for a number of reasons), but I thought the officiating seemed more balanced then than it does now. You had clutching, hooking, and all that jazz... but it wasn't as over the top as the late 90's/early 00's was, nor was it as overly strict as the game has become post-lockout.

Agreed.

It was refreshing watching footage from the 80's/early 90's; Euro skill was making it's debut on a grand scale, and yet there was the right amount of N.American physicality in the mix...Some tugs with the stick here & there, a little grab, tying up opponents along the boards, but nothing like what became the norm in the dead puck era (more or less tackle football on ice)...Players were fighting their way thru the opposition, and when it became obvious - the 1 ref made the call.

IMO the only thing consistent with today's game is the inconsitency of the officiating, and apparent disrespect amongst some of the players.

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Any era is better than this one. The NHL is almost unwatchable under the current system. I voted 80's.

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I only started watching hockey in the mid-90s so it wouldn't be fair to say 80s or earlier for me.

I like the post-lockout style of play, it's fairly open for the most part but you still see your fair share of 3-2, 2-1 games without clutching/grabbing or basically just bear hugging somebody right after they cross the blue line to try to attack.

I like the play in general, hate the inconsistent officiating in general and just a few rules here/there. The rules more/less make the officiating so inconsistent. Get rid of the intent to blow the whistle. So terrible and there's just too much grey area. Simply re-phrase it to either I blew my whistle in time before the puck crossed the goal line, meaning no goal. Or, I didn't blow it in time, meaning that the goal counts. Simple, there's no grey area, it's basically a yes/no answer.

And I can live with a referee saying they lost sight of a puck resulting in a play dead. Yes, it sucks when it means a no goal (i.e. Hossa goal when he was a Wing in the playoffs late in that game against Anaheim which would've forced overtime), but it's impossible to discipline or determine how long a referee should wait until they blow their whistle, and so forth. I'm not going to lose sleep or be frothing at the mouth in anger all night over that.

Unfortuantely, some of these rules that annoy the hell out of me won't change anytime soon probably.

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I gotta say that so far I'm surprised by the results, but that's cool...Interesting to see others opinions.

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Zero-tolerance. You can clearly see that skilled players have risen up and smaller players too. I think hockey is more about puck-handling than fighting and hitting. After all, the outside pond games are where it all starts/started.

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I started watching hockey back in 1995. I watched a few classic games, but I really cannot say that I like the 80's style of hockey because I haven't seen enough of it. I prefer the post lockout hockey over the clutching and grabbing hockey in the mid 90s-2004.

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I think with a few tweaks the current game would be the best. It takes much more effort to win games, and requires a much tighter defensive game. There are plenty of things I like about the game of old, but the skill and the effort aren't necessarily those. The game in the 80's was much lazier and the goaltending was awful. The fighting and toughness were fun to watch though. If we could get rid of the trapezoid, the instigator, and get rid of the goal line>far blue line one touch dump-in/breakout then that would make a change for the better.

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I only started watching hockey in the mid-90s so it wouldn't be fair to say 80s or earlier for me.

I like the post-lockout style of play, it's fairly open for the most part but you still see your fair share of 3-2, 2-1 games without clutching/grabbing or basically just bear hugging somebody right after they cross the blue line to try to attack.

I like the play in general, hate the inconsistent officiating in general and just a few rules here/there. The rules more/less make the officiating so inconsistent. Get rid of the intent to blow the whistle. So terrible and there's just too much grey area. Simply re-phrase it to either I blew my whistle in time before the puck crossed the goal line, meaning no goal. Or, I didn't blow it in time, meaning that the goal counts. Simple, there's no grey area, it's basically a yes/no answer.

And I can live with a referee saying they lost sight of a puck resulting in a play dead. Yes, it sucks when it means a no goal (i.e. Hossa goal when he was a Wing in the playoffs late in that game against Anaheim which would've forced overtime), but it's impossible to discipline or determine how long a referee should wait until they blow their whistle, and so forth. I'm not going to lose sleep or be frothing at the mouth in anger all night over that.

Unfortuantely, some of these rules that annoy the hell out of me won't change anytime soon probably.

Tend to agree. With a few tweaks, the current system would be the best. Simple s***. Call dives for starters. The players don't seem to have a problem embarrassing the refs, have the refs embarrass the players for a while. In fact, if I were reffing a game, I'd call dives and skate over and announce them over the loud speaker. This would fix 75% of the current issues imo.

If they really want to drive the point home, they can have dives reviewable at the ref's discretion. :ph34r:

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I think with a few tweaks the current game would be the best. It takes much more effort to win games, and requires a much tighter defensive game. There are plenty of things I like about the game of old, but the skill and the effort aren't necessarily those. The game in the 80's was much lazier and the goaltending was awful. The fighting and toughness were fun to watch though. If we could get rid of the trapezoid, the instigator, and get rid of the goal line>far blue line one touch dump-in/breakout then that would make a change for the better.

Some good ideas here.

Is it me, or does anyone else feel the clutch/grab eras saw less # of head injuries due to the game being slowed down a bit?...I honestly feel the speed of the game today (and less obstruction) has played a partial role with the increase of injuries; am I alone on this one?

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As a wings fan the mid 90s were great to watch, as a hockey fan it probably has to be the 80s that was the best brand of hockey.

Todays NHL has way too inconsistent officiating for me, it gets frustrating watching a really fast paced, good hockey game that is all of a sudden full of power plays and penalty kills. Special teams should not be the most important part of a hockey game, but some games it is and I dont think that is right

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I think with a few tweaks the current game would be the best. It takes much more effort to win games, and requires a much tighter defensive game. There are plenty of things I like about the game of old, but the skill and the effort aren't necessarily those. The game in the 80's was much lazier and the goaltending was awful. The fighting and toughness were fun to watch though. If we could get rid of the trapezoid, the instigator, and get rid of the goal line>far blue line one touch dump-in/breakout then that would make a change for the better.

Dead on.

Some good ideas here.

Is it me, or does anyone else feel the clutch/grab eras saw less # of head injuries due to the game being slowed down a bit?...I honestly feel the speed of the game today (and less obstruction) has played a partial role with the increase of injuries; am I alone on this one?

Possibly, although I think the lack of respect in today's game is a bigger cause...

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I voted 80s, though honestly it might have as much to do with the place in my life as the state of the game. You never love a game more than when you watch it as a kid. You also never has much free time!

But overall the game was more offensively minded and still remained physical. I don't remember as much wild inconsistency in the officiating, but honestly the advent of youtube and internet forums create this hyperanalysis of every call, so maybe it was as bad.

I do agree though that the lack of respect among players has gotten worse.

And I'd take todays game over the clutch and grab era. It got boring watching all these skill players basically get tackled every time they make a play. It'd be depressing to watch Datsyuk try and play during that style. Stickhandling around players only to get hooked and grabbed by them.

Consistency in officiating and consistency in suspending players would go a long way in improving the game.

Some good ideas here.

Is it me, or does anyone else feel the clutch/grab eras saw less # of head injuries due to the game being slowed down a bit?...I honestly feel the speed of the game today (and less obstruction) has played a partial role with the increase of injuries; am I alone on this one?

Honestly I think that has played a part, the game is a lot faster and more wide open, but the lack of respect is an issue too. I'm trying to think of a Matt Cooke like player from that era. There were always guys who were agitators/dirty players, but I don't remember them involving headshots so often.

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Wasn't around for the 80s so I would say the mid 90s when I started getting really into the game.

Gotta say I would rather the clutch and grab era never come back. Watching the 2002 cup finals I could no believe how much holding there was.

Regarding concussions: I may be mistaken but the understanding of the injury wasn't as high as it is now. Also the game WAS slower and the players were not as big as they are today. I don't think lack of respect has anything to do with it. There were Cookes in the NHL before the lockout, and significantly dirtier play as well.

If anything I think players feel more or less invincible when going to make a hit, so more often than not they are going to take the risk on a hit that would have the potential to seriously injure them in another era.

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Wasn't around for the 80s so I would say the mid 90s when I started getting really into the game.

Gotta say I would rather the clutch and grab era never come back. Watching the 2002 cup finals I could no believe how much holding there was.

Regarding concussions: I may be mistaken but the understanding of the injury wasn't as high as it is now. Also the game WAS slower and the players were not as big as they are today. I don't think lack of respect has anything to do with it. There were Cookes in the NHL before the lockout, and significantly dirtier play as well.

If anything I think players feel more or less invincible when going to make a hit, so more often than not they are going to take the risk on a hit that would have the potential to seriously injure them in another era.

I also believe the advancements in player equipment has elevated the potential for serious injury..."Old School" shoulder/elbow pads were flimsy strips of thin padding when compared to what the players have today, and the damage they can inflict must be taken into consideration.

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My favorite era isn't in the poll - late 60s, 70s, when men were men and referees were silent. I didn't watch a lot in the 80s, partially because I worked nights and then because I lived in California - kind of a hockey wasteland until the Sharks showed up. (And it didn't improve a whole lot even then!)

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My favorite era isn't in the poll - late 60s, 70s, when men were men and referees were silent. I didn't watch a lot in the 80s, partially because I worked nights and then because I lived in California - kind of a hockey wasteland until the Sharks showed up. (And it didn't improve a whole lot even then!)

...and helmets optional ;)

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It's all too easy to wax nostalgic and forget all the crappy things about the good old days. People may pine for the days of frontier life when things were simple and people were honest but they probably wouldn't like dieing of dysentry and having half their kids die of preventable disease before the age of 18.

The 80's were cool but hockey was terribly one-dimensional. Goalies sucked, defensemen were just forwards who lined up outside the face-off circle and games were a race to 7 goals.

There's something to be said for the sublime defensive skill of a guy like Lidstrom who plays all the angles and frustrates opposing forwards with his brain instead of a thundering check. It's great that we get to watch guys like Stuart and Kronwall lay out the opposition while Lidstrom plays the game like a chess master.

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Zero-tolerance. You can clearly see that skilled players have risen up and smaller players too. I think hockey is more about puck-handling than fighting and hitting. After all, the outside pond games are where it all starts/started.

This is just wrong. Hockey was never supposed to be about pure skill nor was it about brute strength like hitting and fighting.

But to say the game was always supposed to be about skill is ridiculous, hitting hard and being physical has always played a huge role and is half the game in hockey. Maybe in Finland it was meant to be all about skill but in Canada where it was invented it was meant to be a balance of how tough you were and how skilled.

Thats why the 80s were probably the best, it had everything.

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I guess I just like a bit more variety in my defensemen. (I'd still love to see Ericsson grow into a huge hitter, though)

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It's all too easy to wax nostalgic and forget all the crappy things about the good old days. People may pine for the days of frontier life when things were simple and people were honest but they probably wouldn't like dieing of dysentry and having half their kids die of preventable disease before the age of 18.

The 80's were cool but hockey was terribly one-dimensional. Goalies sucked, defensemen were just forwards who lined up outside the face-off circle and games were a race to 7 goals.

There's something to be said for the sublime defensive skill of a guy like Lidstrom who plays all the angles and frustrates opposing forwards with his brain instead of a thundering check. It's great that we get to watch guys like Stuart and Kronwall lay out the opposition while Lidstrom plays the game like a chess master.

While I agree team defense in many cases was poor, and netminders were nothing like they are today when one looks back at how the game was played back in the 1980's, and into the 1990's...My interest was finding out what would my fellow Red Wing fans preferred; players being capable of some hooking/holding/interference in which the players had to fight their way thru the opposition, or a total shut down tackle football in ice skates where very few pen were called and play was between the 2 blue lines, or what we see today with the so called "zero tolerance" format and every time you raise your stick to an opponents waistline - automatic hooking call.

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I guess I just like a bit more variety in my defensemen. (I'd still love to see Ericsson grow into a huge hitter, though)

i haven't seen an improvement in his hitting but i have seen him getting a bit more nasty in front of the net, something i think we definitely need more of.

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