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#1 blueadams

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Posted 07 February 2011 - 07:42 PM

...If you were starting an NHL franchise, there was no salary cap, and you had your choice of any 20 players in the league, who would you chose and why?

I've posted TSN's latest (1-28-11) NHL Player Rankings (not fantasy-related) below as a reference point of sorts: http://www.tsn.ca/fa...ture/?ID=10467. I've cut out all those 31 and older (though I'm sure I'm going to get some Pav, and even Nick, requests) and reposted the list.

I'm really looking forward to hearing the responses!


Goalies(2):

1) P. Rinne(27)
2) M. Fleury(25)
3) H. Lundqvist(28)
4) O. Pavelec(23)
5) J. Quick(24)
6) J. Hiller(28)
7) C. Crawford(25)
8) C. Price(23)
9) S. Bobrovsky(22)
10) C. Ward(26)
11) K. Lehtonen(26)
12) I. Bryzgalov(30)
13) M. Neuvirth(22)
14) R. Miller(30)
15) A. Niemi(27)
16) J. Halak(25)
17) J. Howard(26)
18) C. Andersson(29)
19) S. Mason(22)
20) B. Elliott(25)
21) P. Budaj(28)
nq1) S. Varlamov(22)
nq2) A. Auld(29)
nq3) C. Schneider(24)
nq4) K. Poulin(20)
nq5) A. Raycroft(30)
nq6) T. Rask(23)
nq7) A. Lindback(22)


Defensemen(6):

1) K. Letang(23)
2) D. Byfuglien(25)
3) T. Enstrom(25)
4) K. Yandle(23)
5) A. Edler(24)
6) B. Burns(25)
7) J. Liles(29)
8) S. Weber(25)
9) K. Shattenkirk(22)
10) R. Whitney(27)
11) D. Doughty(21)
12) M. Green(25)
13) C. Ehrhoff(28)
14) J. Wisniewski(26)
15) J. Johnson(23)
16) A. Goligoski(25)
17) R. Suter(25)
18) D. Girardi(26)
19) N. Kronwall(29)
20) J. Leopold(30)
21) A. Pietrangelo(21)
22) M. Carle(25)
23) D. Seidenberg(29)
24) A. Meszaros(24)
25) B. Seabrook(25)
26) M. Giordano(?)
27) D. Keith(27)
28) A. MacDonald(23)
29) K. Bieksa(29)
30) M. Staal(23)
31) D. Hamhuis(27)
32) J. Carlson(21)
33) E. Karlsson(20)
34) C. Fowler(19)
35) J. Pitkanen(26)
36) D. Wideman(27)
37) P. Subban(21)
r1) J. McBain(22)
r2) O. Ekman-Larsson (17?)
r3) M. Sauer(23)
nq1) J. Braun(23)
nq2) M. Jurcina(25)


Forwards (12):

1) S. Crosby(23)
2) S. Stamkos(20)
3) D. Sedin(29)
4) R. Kesler(26)
5) A. Ovechkin(24)
6) E. Staal(25)
7) B. Richards(30)
8) J. Carter(25)
9) A. Kopitar(23)
10) H. Sedin(29)
11) H. Zetterberg(29)
12) P. Sharp(28)
13) R. Nash(26)
14) L. Eriksson(25)
15) M. Richards(25)
16) C. Perry(25)
17) C. Giroux(23)
18) P. Bergeron(25)
19) A. Semin(26)
20) J. Toews(22)
21) N. Backstrom(22)
22) D. Roy(27)
23) J. Neal(22)
24) M. Duchene(20)
25) D. Brown(25)
26) B. Ryan(23)
27) R. Getzlaf(25)
28) D. Backes(26)
29) E. Malkin(24)
30) J. Franzen(30)
31) P. Stastny(24)
32) L. Couture(21)
33) M. Gaborik(28)
34) T. Plekanec(27)
35) M. Koivu(27)
36) B. Dubinsky(24)
37) M. Lucic(22)
38) J. Williams(28)
39) T. Ruutuu(27)
40) M. Havlat(29)
41) J. Skinner(18)
42) D. Heatley(29)
43) R. Clowe(27)
44) P. Kane(21)
45) M. Grabovski(27)
46) R. Umberger(28)
47) J. Jokinen(27)
48) S. Hartnell(28)
49) M. Ribeiro(30)
50) C. Kunitz(30)
51) A. Burrows(29)
52) B. Boyle(25)
53) A. Steen(26)
54) C. MacArthur(25)
55) A. Ladd(24)
56) T. Vanek(26)
57) J. Stoll(28)
58) J. Benn(21)
59) E. Kane(19)
60) D. Krejci(24)
61) J. Pavelski(26)
62) J. Tavares(20)
63) C. Clutterbuck(22)
64) M. Cammalleri(28)
65) V. Leino(27)
66) R. Malone(30)
67) N. Kulemin(24)
68) P. Kessel(22)
69) T. Brouwer(24)
70) S. Weiss(27)
71) P. Marleau(30)
72) A. Kostitsyn(25)
73) P. Hornqvist(24)
74) J. Pominville(27)
75) D. Brassard(22)
76) B. Bickel(25)
77) B. Little(22)
78) M. Moulson(26)
79) B. Marchand(22)
80) T. Hall(19)
81) T. Fleischmann(26)
82) M. Raymond(24)
83) N. Horton(25)
84) D. Jones(25)
85) J. van Riemsdyk(21)
86) J. Voracek(21)
87) D. Penner(27)
88) D. Moss(28)
89) B. Boyes(28)
90) V. Lecavalier(30)
91) K. Versteeg(24)
92) V. Filppula(26)
93) C. Higgins(27)
94) A. Vermette(28)
95) B. Comeau(24)
96) D. Booth(25)
97) M. Erat(28)
98) T. Kopecky(28)
99) M. Hanzal(23)
100) S. Upshall(26)
101) B. Laich(27)
102) N. Bergfors(23)
103) A. Tanguay(30)
104) P. Parentau(27)
105) J. Tambellini(26)
106) D. Stepan(20)
107) M. Frolik(22)
108) D. Bolland(24)
r#1) J. Eberle(20)
r#2) T. Ennis(21)
r#3) M. Grabner(23)
r#4) M. Letestu(26)
r#5) M. Paajarvi(19)
r#6) T. Seguin(19)
r#7) M. Backlund(21)
r#8) M. Johansson(20)
r#9) A. Burmistrov(19)
nq1) R. Callahan(25)
nq2) D. Perron(22)
nq3) S. Parse(26)
nq4) C. Stewart(22)
nq4) D. Stafford(24)
nq5) A. Hemsky(27)
nq6) G. Latendresse(23)
nq7) M. Zuccarello(23)
nq8) M. Pacioretty(22)
nq9) J. Spezza(27)
nq10) D. Jeffrey(22)
nq11) Z. Parise(26)

r = TSN's rookie rankings
nq = TSN's "not qualified" rankings

Edited by blueadams, 07 February 2011 - 10:38 PM.


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Posted 07 February 2011 - 08:03 PM

This might be the worst list I have ever seen in my life. Everything about it is just horrible.
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Posted 07 February 2011 - 08:50 PM

...If you were starting an NHL franchise, and you had your choice of any 20 players in the league, who would you chose and why?

Here's something to help you get started - It's TSN's latest (1-28-11) NHL Player Rankings (not fantasy-related): http://www.tsn.ca/fa...ture/?ID=10467. Below I've cut out all those 31 and older (though I'm sure I'm going to get some Pav, and even Nick, requests) and reposted the list.

Really looking forward to hearing the responses!



Goalies(2):

1) P. Rinne(27)
2) M. Fleury(25)
3) H. Lundqvist(28)
4) O. Pavelec(23)
5) J. Quick(24)
6) J. Hiller(28)
7) C. Crawford(25)
8) C. Price(23)
9) S. Bobrovsky(22)
10) C. Ward(26)
11) K. Lehtonen(26)
12) I. Bryzgalov(30)
13) M. Neuvirth(22)
14) R. Miller(30)
15) A. Niemi(27)
16) J. Halak(25)
17) J. Howard(26)
18) C. Andersson(29)
19) S. Mason(22)
20) B. Elliott(25)
21) P. Budaj(28)
nq1) S. Varlamov(22)
nq2) A. Auld(29)
nq3) C. Schneider(24)
nq4) K. Poulin(20)
nq5) A. Raycroft(30)
nq6) T. Rask(23)
nq7) A. Lindback(22)


Defensemen(6):

1) K. Letang(23)
2) D. Byfuglien(25)
3) T. Enstrom(25)
4) K. Yandle(23)
5) A. Edler(24)
6) B. Burns(25)
7) J. Liles(29)
8) S. Weber(25)
9) K. Shattenkirk(22)
10) R. Whitney(27)
11) D. Doughty(21)
12) M. Green(25)
13) C. Ehrhoff(28)
14) J. Wisniewski(26)
15) J. Johnson(23)
16) A. Goligoski(25)
17) R. Suter(25)
18) D. Girardi(26)
19) N. Kronwall(29)
20) J. Leopold(30)
21) A. Pietrangelo(21)
22) M. Carle(25)
23) D. Seidenberg(29)
24) A. Meszaros(24)
25) B. Seabrook(25)
26) M. Giordano(?)
27) D. Keith(27)
28) A. MacDonald(23)
29) K. Bieksa(29)
30) M. Staal(23)
31) D. Hamhuis(27)
32) J. Carlson(21)
33) E. Karlsson(20)
34) C. Fowler(19)
35) J. Pitkanen(26)
36) D. Wideman(27)
37) P. Subban(21)
r1) J. McBain(22)
r2) O. Ekman-Larsson (17?)
r3) M. Sauer(23)
nq1) J. Braun(23)
nq2) M. Jurcina(25)


Forwards (12):

1) S. Crosby(23)
2) S. Stamkos(20)
3) D. Sedin(29)
4) R. Kesler(26)
5) A. Ovechkin(24)
6) E. Staal(25)
7) B. Richards(30)
8) J. Carter(25)
9) A. Kopitar(23)
10) H. Sedin(29)
11) H. Zetterberg(29)
12) P. Sharp(28)
13) R. Nash(26)
14) L. Eriksson(25)
15) M. Richards(25)
16) C. Perry(25)
17) C. Giroux(23)
18) P. Bergeron(25)
19) A. Semin(26)
20) J. Toews(22)
21) N. Backstrom(22)
22) D. Roy(27)
23) J. Neal(22)
24) M. Duchene(20)
25) D. Brown(25)
26) B. Ryan(23)
27) R. Getzlaf(25)
28) D. Backes(26)
29) E. Malkin(24)
30) J. Franzen(30)
31) P. Stastny(24)
32) L. Couture(21)
33) M. Gaborik(28)
34) T. Plekanec(27)
35) M. Koivu(27)
36) B. Dubinsky(24)
37) M. Lucic(22)
38) J. Williams(28)
39) T. Ruutuu(27)
40) M. Havlat(29)
41) J. Skinner(18)
42) D. Heatley(29)
43) R. Clowe(27)
44) P. Kane(21)
45) M. Grabovski(27)
46) R. Umberger(28)
47) J. Jokinen(27)
48) S. Hartnell(28)
49) M. Ribeiro(30)
50) C. Kunitz(30)
51) A. Burrows(29)
52) B. Boyle(25)
53) A. Steen(26)
54) C. MacArthur(25)
55) A. Ladd(24)
56) T. Vanek(26)
57) J. Stoll(28)
58) J. Benn(21)
59) E. Kane(19)
60) D. Krejci(24)
61) J. Pavelski(26)
62) J. Tavares(20)
63) C. Clutterbuck(22)
64) M. Cammalleri(28)
65) V. Leino(27)
66) R. Malone(30)
67) N. Kulemin(24)
68) P. Kessel(22)
69) T. Brouwer(24)
70) S. Weiss(27)
71) P. Marleau(30)
72) A. Kostitsyn(25)
73) P. Hornqvist(24)
74) J. Pominville(27)
75) D. Brassard(22)
76) B. Bickel(25)
77) B. Little(22)
78) M. Moulson(26)
79) B. Marchand(22)
80) T. Hall(19)
81) T. Fleischmann(26)
82) M. Raymond(24)
83) N. Horton(25)
84) D. Jones(25)
85) J. van Riemsdyk(21)
86) J. Voracek(21)
87) D. Penner(27)
88) D. Moss(28)
89) B. Boyes(28)
90) V. Lecavalier(30)
91) K. Versteeg(24)
92) V. Filppula(26)
93) C. Higgins(27)
94) A. Vermette(28)
95) B. Comeau(24)
96) D. Booth(25)
97) M. Erat(28)
98) T. Kopecky(28)
99) M. Hanzal(23)
100) S. Upshall(26)
101) B. Laich(27)
102) N. Bergfors(23)
103) A. Tanguay(30)
104) P. Parentau(27)
105) J. Tambellini(26)
106) D. Stepan(20)
107) M. Frolik(22)
108) D. Bolland(24)
r#1) J. Eberle(20)
r#2) T. Ennis(21)
r#3) M. Grabner(23)
r#4) M. Letestu(26)
r#5) M. Paajarvi(19)
r#6) T. Seguin(19)
r#7) M. Backlund(21)
r#8) M. Johansson(20)
r#9) A. Burmistrov(19)
nq1) R. Callahan(25)
nq2) D. Perron(22)
nq3) S. Parse(26)
nq4) C. Stewart(22)
nq4) D. Stafford(24)
nq5) A. Hemsky(27)
nq6) G. Latendresse(23)
nq7) M. Zuccarello(23)
nq8) M. Pacioretty(22)
nq9) J. Spezza(27)
nq10) D. Jeffrey(22)
nq11) Z. Parise(26)

r = TSN's rookie rankings
nq = TSN's "not qualified" rankings

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Clowe-Dubinsky-Benn
Eaves-Boyle-Carcillo
Prust-G.Campbell-Winchester

Weber-M.Staal
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Lundqvist
Howard
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Posted 07 February 2011 - 08:55 PM

Lucic-Zetterberg-Tavares
Clowe-Dubinsky-Benn
Eaves-Boyle-Carcillo
Prust-G.Campbell-Winchester

Weber-M.Staal
Giordano-Girardi
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Lundqvist
Howard


I like some of your picks, but it's kind of hard to take you seriously when you're taking Eaves and Carcillo, etc.

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Posted 07 February 2011 - 09:02 PM

I like some of your picks, but it's kind of hard to take you seriously when you're taking Eaves and Carcillo, etc.

Both can play physical and put up points. What's wrong with that?
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Posted 07 February 2011 - 09:10 PM

Both can play physical and put up points. What's wrong with that?


you can have any forward in the league - not even thinking about the salary cap here - and you want eaves on your third line? really? to each his own and all...but, man.

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Posted 07 February 2011 - 09:29 PM

you can have any forward in the league - not even thinking about the salary cap here - and you want eaves on your third line? really? to each his own and all...but, man.

Well without a salary cap it would be different :P I thought we were thinking with a salary cap :P
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Posted 07 February 2011 - 10:12 PM

Crosby said himself he would start a build around Zetterberg. List is irrelevant. :ph34r:

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Posted 07 February 2011 - 10:24 PM

My Team

Zetterberg Crosby Nash
Ovechkin Stamkos Towes
Kessler Getzlaf Kopitar
Duchene Seguin Gaborik

Doughtery Weber
Green Seabrook
Burns Letang

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Crosby said himself he would start a build around Zetterberg. List is irrelevant. :ph34r:


When did Crosby say that?

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Posted 07 February 2011 - 10:39 PM

BTW Blue this is probably the best thread you've ever started.

What kind of color is red? Red is a warning, a declaration, a color that says I'm ready to do what it takes. Red is focused and driven because red doesn't like second place. So what kind of color is red? Their kind.

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Posted 07 February 2011 - 10:48 PM

Both can play physical and put up points. What's wrong with that?


If you want that kind of player you should have picked Dorsett.
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Posted 08 February 2011 - 12:52 AM

If you want that kind of player you should have picked Dorsett.

He's gonna be the real deal, man. This counts for our weekly Derek Dorsett conversation :lol:
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Posted 08 February 2011 - 02:27 AM

The winning team is:

Getzlaf/Zetterberg/Stamkos - Getz plays the Bert role of net presence and playmaker, Z is Z, Stamkos is primarily the gun.
Ovechkin/Backstrom/B.Richards - Richards mirrors Ovechkin, providing another quick sniper on his off wing for Backstrom to pass to.
D.Sedin/H.Sedin/L.Eriksson - Eriksson's two-way play and overall skill should mesh with the twins
Kesler/Toews/M.Richards - You have to like it when your fourth line consists of three of the game's top defensive forwards, all of whom are offensively capable.
J.Staal - All-around forward for spare spot.

Letang/Weber - Letang's puck moving matches well with Weber's style.
Enstrom/Keith - Enstrom/Buff has been great this year...and Keith is an upgrade on Buff in most respects. His style should definitely mesh at least as well with Enstrom.
Doughty/Johnson - Two excellent young defensemen who actually do play together.
Byfuglien - Having a great offensive season without any real defensive responsibility.

Rinne - Potential Vezina candidate this season
Quick - Best goalie in the league under 25, and having a great year.

Edited by eva unit zero, 08 February 2011 - 12:27 PM.

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Posted 08 February 2011 - 04:14 AM

I realize the wings window is shutting fast. We are pretty much done after this year.
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Posted 08 February 2011 - 07:46 AM

The winning team is:

Getzlaf/Zetterberg/Stamkos - Getz plays the Bert role of net presence and playmaker, Z is Z, Stamkos is primarily the gun.
Ovechkin/Backstrom/B.Richards - Richards mirrors Ovechkin, providing another quick sniper on his off wing for Backstrom to pass to.
D.Sedin/H.Sedin/L.Eriksson - Eriksson's two-way play and overall skill should mesh with the twins
Kesler/Toews/M.Richards - You have to like it when your fourth line consists of three of the game's top defensive forwards, all of whom are offensively capable.
Iginla - High end power forward for the spare.

Letang/Weber - Letang's puck moving matches well with Weber's style.
Enstrom/Chara - Enstrom/Buff has been great this year...and Chara is pretty much an upgrade on Buff in every way possible.
Doughty/Keith - Norris finalists from last year, both are having worse seasons this year but still doing very well.
Johnson - Doughty's partner, arguably having a better season.

Rinne - Potential Vezina candidate this season
Quick - Best goalie in the league under 25, and having a great year.


Chara and Iginla are 30 or under?

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Posted 08 February 2011 - 07:47 AM

Chara and Iginla are 30 or under?


Haha. Fail.

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Posted 08 February 2011 - 08:47 AM

Where is Tyler Myers in that list? I find it hard to believe they would leave last year's Calder winner off the list, regardless of his sophomore slump.

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Posted 08 February 2011 - 11:47 AM

Interesting responses so far...

Here's my defense:

1) S. Weber
2) D. Keith
3) D. Doughty
4) R. Suter
5) B. Seabrook
6) D. Byfuglien/M. Green

E. Karlsson/K. Letang/T. Enstrom/K. Yandle/B. Burns/M. Green/M. Staal/J. Johnson

...I watch about 90% of the red wing's regular season games, and 100% of their playoff games, but I don't watch many other teams because I'm watching a lot of Pistons and Michigan basketball games as well. So - sadly - a lot of my picks are based on 2010 olympic performances. If you were young and made team Canada (Ken Holland's all-star team, essentially), then you make it (Weber, Keith, Doughty, Seabrook). Ryan Suter was incredible in the olympics as well, so he makes it. Then I guess I'd go with Byfuglien as my sixth guy because he was so incredible in the playoffs last year. And I guess that Green would be my seventh guy because he was so incredible in the regular season last year. But I'm really interested in hearing what the board has to say about the other all stars I listed...and don't get to see very often - Letang, Enstrom, Yandle, Burns, Staal, etc.

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Posted 08 February 2011 - 12:22 PM

Chara and Iginla are 30 or under?


No, I assembled the best possible team, removed all 31+, and accidentally missed them.
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Posted 08 February 2011 - 12:32 PM

Interesting responses so far...

Here's my defense:

1) S. Weber
2) D. Keith
3) D. Doughty
4) R. Suter
5) B. Seabrook
6) D. Byfuglien/M. Green

E. Karlsson/K. Letang/T. Enstrom/K. Yandle/B. Burns/M. Green/M. Staal/J. Johnson

...I watch about 90% of the red wing's regular season games, and 100% of their playoff games, but I don't watch many other teams because I'm watching a lot of Pistons and Michigan basketball games as well. So - sadly - a lot of my picks are based on 2010 olympic performances. If you were young and made team Canada (Ken Holland's all-star team, essentially), then you make it (Weber, Keith, Doughty, Seabrook). Ryan Suter was incredible in the olympics as well, so he makes it. Then I guess I'd go with Byfuglien as my sixth guy because he was so incredible in the playoffs last year. And I guess that Green would be my seventh guy because he was so incredible in the regular season last year. But I'm really interested in hearing what the board has to say about the other all stars I listed...and don't get to see very often - Letang, Enstrom, Yandle, Burns, Staal, etc.


Enstrom is Atlanta's top defenseman, not Byfuglien. The only thing Green is incredible at is scoring goals and passing the puck to the Caps' offensively talented forwards. He's not nearly as good as the hype of the past couple of seasons has suggested, and he's terrible defensively.

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