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[jollymania]

*his thing

Edited by jollymania, 11 February 2011 - 04:36 PM.

[Jusek]

Nice analyzing by Murph.

That was just a routine shift by Pav.

[titanium2]

I thought Kesler was the favorite.

[greenrebellion]

Watching Pav is a treat, and I realized how much I missed it when he was injured recently.

[Kira]

As much as I'd love to see him get a nod for the Selke, he missed too much time and as such, won't be considered for anything this year.

Oh well, even missing the time he did, he's still way better than a lot of guys who didn't miss any time.

[acidroach420]

was the nhl network giving away free hot dogs? whats murph doing there?

[SouthernWingsFan]

was the nhl network giving away free hot dogs? whats murph doing there?

He's done gigs off/on with them in the past. When the Wings played on VS against the Rangers recently I think he was on there, so I'm assuming whenever Fox Sports Detroit doesn't have the broadcasting rights for a specific game/national broadcasts, he goes on NHL Network sometimes.

[haroldsnepsts]

Pavs is absolutely awesome.

Kesler deserves the Selke.

[dicksmack]

The season isn't over yet.

[Hossa4Life]

As much as I'd love to see him get a nod for the Selke, he missed too much time and as such, won't be considered for anything this year.

Oh well, even missing the time he did, he's still way better than a lot of guys who didn't miss any time.

Datsyuk is the best defensive forward. Thats why he should win the selke. Next thing you know you will be saying will Ferrell isnt funny.

[eva unit zero]

Datsyuk is the best defensive forward. Thats why he should win the selke. Next thing you know you will be saying will Ferrell isnt funny.

Zetterberg is better defensively than Datsyuk.

Flashiness /= skill. That's something a lot of people, including Roberto Luongo, need to learn.

[dicksmack]

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Please. Zetterberg has not even been mentioned in the Selke races after he was nominated once, whereas Datsyuk has won them all. The flashiness of killing a 5 on 3 vs the Pens and securing the Conn Smythe has died way down dude.

[Jesusberg]

Zetterberg is better defensively than Datsyuk.

Flashiness /= skill. That's something a lot of people, including Roberto Luongo, need to learn.

I think it's somewhere in the middle. Zetterberg IS amazing defensively, and that's why he's used on the important 5-on-3 kills. He doesn't play regular PK because he's needed elsewhere. I don't know that he's "better" than Datsyuk, as Dats certainly has better backchecking skills, but Zetterberg is better positionally, I think. Both guys are very solid defensively.

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Please. Zetterberg has not even been mentioned in the Selke races after he was nominated once, whereas Datsyuk has won them all. The flashiness of killing a 5 on 3 vs the Pens and securing the Conn Smythe has died way down dude.

And if anything I think Zetterberg hasn't been mentioned in Selke races because of a lack of flashiness. He's often overshadowed by Datsyuk, and there are huge gripes when two guys from the same team were nominated for any trophy. Also, why are you allowed to have that user name, lol. I don't care, it's just funny to me.

All things considered, if the Red Wings bounce back in a huge way, I think Datsyuk should be considered for the Hart. It seems like some trophies consider how bad teams are/were (Jack Adams) when determining winners. For instance, I think Lemaire is being considered for the Adams in a big way. Red Wings were pretty ugly without Datsyuk, and a big string of wins could put him on the map for the Hart. Just my opinion.

[Pucks]

Zetterberg is better defensively than Datsyuk.

Flashiness /= skill. That's something a lot of people, including Roberto Luongo, need to learn.

Good lord.

[eva unit zero]

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Please. Zetterberg has not even been mentioned in the Selke races after he was nominated once, whereas Datsyuk has won them all. The flashiness of killing a 5 on 3 vs the Pens and securing the Conn Smythe has died way down dude.

Zetterberg is the one used to shut down top forwards, not Datsyuk.

Draper once won a Selke; he wasn't even the best defensive forward on his line that season. Selke winners are often guys who are really good defensively and then they have a big offensive season. That's why Kesler and Zetterberg are my top two for this year. Both are elite defensive forwards whose offense is well above their stats for the past two years.

[dicksmack]

Zetterberg is the one used to shut down top forwards, not Datsyuk.

Draper once won a Selke; he wasn't even the best defensive forward on his line that season. Selke winners are often guys who are really good defensively and then they have a big offensive season. That's why Kesler and Zetterberg are my top two for this year. Both are elite defensive forwards whose offense is well above their stats for the past two years.

Datsyuk isn't used to shut down top forwards? He goes head to head with the best all of the time. I would think that Kesler is having a Selke type season and is the front runner. I don't think Hank is in the running at all. Draper deserved his Selke all the way. I'm not sure what you are on about and I don't really care to be honest.

[spongebob is a wings fan]

Pav for president!!!! I really don't care if he wins the Selke or not I'm just glad he is back. take us to the cup Pavel

[eva unit zero]

Datsyuk isn't used to shut down top forwards? He goes head to head with the best all of the time. I would think that Kesler is having a Selke type season and is the front runner. I don't think Hank is in the running at all. Draper deserved his Selke all the way. I'm not sure what you are on about and I don't really care to be honest.

Let's analyze the offensive production for the 2003-04 seasons of the top 12 finishers from 2002-03, plus any other significant defensive forwards from that period.

Jere Lehtinen misses 20 games on top of having an off year offensively.
John Madden's offensive production is down.
Wes Walz misses 25 games.
Forsberg misses half the season.
Michael Peca produces at lower rates than he's known for, and does it in a hockey black hole.
Mike Modano scores 44 points, compared to the 85 he had in 02-03.
Todd Marchant dropped from a career high 60 points back to the 30-35 point range we're used to from him.
Fedorov scores 65 points his first year in Anaheim, compared to 83 his last year in Detroit.
Matt Cooke missed 30 games.
Brian Rolston had a scoring drop of 8 goals and eleven points. He scored 19 goals that year and 27 the year before. He cleared 30 in 01-02, and every year from 05-06 through 07-08.
Michal Handzus actually jumped up to post career highs in assists and points.
Kirk Maltby had a very comparable season in 03-04 to his year in 02-03.

That's the top twelve Selke vote-getters, in order. Here are some other notable defensive forwards from that period.

Magnus Arvedson only played half the season - which would be his last.
Craig Conroy missed 20 games.
Mike Knuble dropped 13 points and 6 goals, and didn't repeat on his first 30 goal season.
Radek Bonk missed 16 games.
Mike Ricci had dropped 8 points from 02-03, but he was 27 below 01-02, when he had finished top-four among Selke vote-getters for the third consecutive season.
Steve Yzerman missed 31 games.
Bobby Holik had a season that was generally comparable offensively to his seasons in the previous few years, and better than his 02-03 year.

So of these 20 high-end defensive forwards, only Bobby Holik, Michal Handzus and Kirk Maltby did not miss significant games or have a notable drop in their offense. In 2002-03 Maltby received more votes than Draper for Selke. What changed? In 02-03 they had similar offensive numbers, in 03-04 Draper posted 24 goals in 67 games. Maltby was still 7th in Selke voting in 04.

Draper playing on the power play because Yzerman is out and Fedorov is gone doesn't make Draper the best defensive forward. Maltby was better defensively that season, and Madden probably deserved the Selke.