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#241 Bring Back The Bruise Bros

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Posted 14 February 2011 - 11:42 PM

Cooke is not worst than Gillies or Matt Martin. I hate Cooke, but he would NEVER try to Bertuzzi a player or rip the helmet off an injured and proceed to punch them in the head. Cooke can actually play good hockey. Everyone gets a hard on for hockey players that can score 30-40 points a season and fights. Cooke plays the exact same way as OV, Richards and Brier, except they score between 80-100 points a season instead of 40 points a season.

Plus, Cooke doesn't cheapen the integrity of the game, he's just one player. What the majority of the Islanders did that game cheapened the integrity of the game. After the Savard hit, the next game he fought the Bruins' tough guy. After all his cheap shots, he owns up to it and fights. What the Islanders did was for the pure purpose on injury and to send a message.

This was Martin's first "offense". Cooke is the definition of repeat offender. While I feel Martin deserved some sort of discipline for the sucker punch, I wouldn't say he's just as bad as Cooke. The suspension on Gillies was harsh, in my opinion.
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Posted 15 February 2011 - 12:03 AM

This was Martin's first "offense". Cooke is the definition of repeat offender. While I feel Martin deserved some sort of discipline for the sucker punch, I wouldn't say he's just as bad as Cooke. The suspension on Gillies was harsh, in my opinion.


I was more going off the basis that Cooke hadn't done anything nearly as bad as what Martin and Gillie did. Sucker punching someone from behind/side to a completely unsuspecting victim, then continuing to try to pummel them or charging a player from clear across the ice and laying into a guy who doesn't fight, then ripping his helmet off as he laid on the ice in pain an agony then blasting him in the ehad is wayyy worse than anything that Cooke has done.

Cooke plays on the line and crosses it from time to time obviously, but he's never blatantly done anything this bad. The blindside hits were legal at the time and his knees to knees have never taken anyone out for anytime (or at least i don't think so, please correct me if I am wrong!), he's never sucker punched someone or hit a downed opponent. This is all on top of Cooke being a 35 point player as well.

That is why i said he wasn't worse than those two.
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Posted 15 February 2011 - 12:14 AM

I was more going off the basis that Cooke hadn't done anything nearly as bad as what Martin and Gillie did. Sucker punching someone from behind/side to a completely unsuspecting victim, then continuing to try to pummel them or charging a player from clear across the ice and laying into a guy who doesn't fight, then ripping his helmet off as he laid on the ice in pain an agony then blasting him in the ehad is wayyy worse than anything that Cooke has done.

Cooke plays on the line and crosses it from time to time obviously, but he's never blatantly done anything this bad. The blindside hits were legal at the time and his knees to knees have never taken anyone out for anytime (or at least i don't think so, please correct me if I am wrong!), he's never sucker punched someone or hit a downed opponent. This is all on top of Cooke being a 35 point player as well.

That is why i said he wasn't worse than those two.

Cooke is obviously the biggest agitator this league has seen in a while. He definitely walks that line, but I mean Marc Savard's career is basically over because of the hit (Whether it was legal or not is debatable). The thing is, Cooke has repeatedly proved that he's got no respect for the league's other players. It's one thing to hit hard and finish your checks every time and get in everyone's face, but it's another thing to take knees out and deliberately attempt to seriously injure someone.

As far as Gillies goes, the hit was obviously an elbow, but I don't think Tangradi was innocent. He must have said something or went after someone, because Gillies was really letting him hear it. Not jutifying what Gillies did, but I don't think Tangradi was completely innocent.
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Posted 15 February 2011 - 12:23 AM

Cooke is obviously the biggest agitator this league has seen in a while. He definitely walks that line, but I mean Marc Savard's career is basically over because of the hit (Whether it was legal or not is debatable). The thing is, Cooke has repeatedly proved that he's got no respect for the league's other players. It's one thing to hit hard and finish your checks every time and get in everyone's face, but it's another thing to take knees out and deliberately attempt to seriously injure someone.

As far as Gillies goes, the hit was obviously an elbow, but I don't think Tangradi was innocent. He must have said something or went after someone, because Gillies was really letting him hear it. Not jutifying what Gillies did, but I don't think Tangradi was completely innocent.


Or Gillies is a ****** and saw a guy against the boards and just saw red and went to work. Players talk s*** all the time, but players also don't do what Gillies did (cross ice charge, pummeling an injured player, taunting him as he laid on this ice in a heap).
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Posted 15 February 2011 - 12:27 AM

Or Gillies is a ****** and saw a guy against the boards and just saw red and went to work. Players talk s*** all the time, but players also don't do what Gillies did (cross ice charge, pummeling an injured player, taunting him as he laid on this ice in a heap).

Yeah I can't say i've seen anyone do something like that before. I was surprised he didn't come back on the ice to get back into the scrum, to be honest.
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Posted 15 February 2011 - 08:21 AM

I was more going off the basis that Cooke hadn't done anything nearly as bad as what Martin and Gillie did. Sucker punching someone from behind/side to a completely unsuspecting victim, then continuing to try to pummel them or charging a player from clear across the ice and laying into a guy who doesn't fight, then ripping his helmet off as he laid on the ice in pain an agony then blasting him in the ehad is wayyy worse than anything that Cooke has done.

Cooke plays on the line and crosses it from time to time obviously, but he's never blatantly done anything this bad. The blindside hits were legal at the time and his knees to knees have never taken anyone out for anytime (or at least i don't think so, please correct me if I am wrong!), he's never sucker punched someone or hit a downed opponent. This is all on top of Cooke being a 35 point player as well.

That is why i said he wasn't worse than those two.

As I said on the last page, the actions taken by Martin aren't as dangerous as the actions taken by Cooke. Gillies hit was very similar to Godard's hit, and I don't think the ensuing 'fight' (jumping) was the cause of the concussion.

Why does it matter that Cooke is a 35-point player? I don't know why fans, let alone the league, believe that points are important when it comes to discipline. IMO you compare incidents based on the severity of the rule broken only, not on who the player is.

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Posted 15 February 2011 - 09:02 AM

I'm confused. Dean Lombardi rips the officiating and gets fined. Mario Lemieux does the same and gets nothing.

Oh, I forgot who I was talking about and what team he controls. I get it now.

Yup - pretty much why the NHL as a whole is looked upon as a "garage league" by many outsiders :rolleyes:

If this isn't a blatant sign of favortism - then I don't know what is.

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Posted 15 February 2011 - 09:25 AM

I just hate how most of the talking heads in the media are once again toeing the company line (and yes, even though Lemieux was supposedly speaking against the league, all he was doing was bitching about the league not protecting his little ***** boys - do you honestly think he gives a s*** about Marc Savard or Alexander Ovechkin or anyone else in the league that isn't a Penguin?) and are slobbering all over themselves trying to agree with Lemieux. Even on ESPN yesterday (is the show "Around the Horn" or something?), 3 of the 4 guys were all "Lemieux's the best! Whatever he says is right! This is a tragedy, a tragedy!!!".

If Lemieux wants to take his puck and go home, let him. Let him go and take Crosby with him. The league's better off without their whining, entitled attitudes.

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Posted 15 February 2011 - 11:26 AM

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=353743

The NHL intended to deliver a message to all of its players when it punished the New York Islanders over the weekend. It didn't go nearly far enough for one of the greatest to ever play the game.

Mario Lemieux questioned the direction of the league in a scathing statement released Sunday, openly wondering about his future involvement with the NHL after his Pittsburgh Penguins were involved in a fight-filled game with the Islanders.

"Hockey is a tough, physical game, and it always should be," said Lemieux, the Penguins co-owner. "But what happened Friday night on Long Island wasn't hockey. It was a travesty. It was painful to watch the game I love turn into a sideshow like that.

"The NHL had a chance to send a clear and strong message that those kinds of actions are unacceptable and embarrassing to the sport. It failed."

The reaction from Lemieux came a little over 12 hours after Colin Campbell suspended two Islanders players and fined the organization US$100,000.

The NHL disciplinarian travelled to Buffalo on Saturday night and held face-to-face meetings with forwards Trevor Gillies and Matt Martin to discuss their actions. Within hours, Gillies was suspended nine games and Martin was banned four games.

It wasn't enough to satisfy Lemieux.

"We, as a league, must do a better job of protecting the integrity of the game and the safety of our players," the Hockey Hall of Famer said in his statement. "We must make it clear that those kinds of actions will not be tolerated and will be met with meaningful disciplinary action.

"If the events relating to Friday night reflect the state of the league, I need to re-think whether I want to be a part of it."

Lemieux didn't specify exactly what he would have liked to have seen done.

The NHL however sees things quite differently, NHL deputy commissioner Bill Daly responded in a statement to TSN's Darren Dreger.

"We are entirely comfortable with how Friday night's events were handled. We have no other response to Mr. Lemieux's statement."

Pittsburgh's Eric Godard also received an automatic 10-game suspension for leaving the bench to fight during the game. The Penguins weren't hit with any other discipline.

The Islanders entered Friday's game still bitter about their previous meeting with Pittsburgh and seemed intent to take matters into their own hands. Gillies gave Eric Tangradi a concussion -- hitting him in the head before punching him in the face and taunting him -- while Martin grabbed an unsuspecting Max Talbot and dropped him with a couple punches.

In announcing the suspensions, Campbell warned that punishments will continue to be harsh for similar infractions down the road.

"The message should be clear to all players: targeting the head of an opponent by whatever means will be dealt with by suspension," he said.

Organizations will also be held accountable.

"The Islanders also must bear some responsibility for their failure to control their players," added Campbell.

Lemieux bought the Penguins out of bankruptcy in 1999 and ended his playing career for good in January 2006. During his days as one of the NHL's brightest stars, he was never shy to criticize the league -- famously referring to it as a "garage league" in 1992 when he was frustrated with all of the hooking and holding that was being allowed at the time.

Until Sunday, he had been largely quiet as an owner.

The Penguins have been at the centre of the discussion about dangerous hits that has raged in recent weeks. Star centre Sidney Crosby remains sidelined with a concussion -- there is still no timetable for his return -- while Pittsburgh forward Matt Cooke received a four-game suspension on Thursday for charging Fedor Tyutin of the Columbus Blue Jackets from behind.

In fact, the Penguins are quite familiar with physical play. Entering Sunday's games, they were tops in the league with 61 fighting majors.

The game against the Islanders included 346 penalty minutes and 10 ejections. Pittsburgh was hammered 9-3.

It came after a Feb. 2 meeting between the teams that saw the Islanders lose Rick DiPietro for four-to-six weeks because of broken bones in his face as the result of a punch from Penguins goalie Brent Johnson.

New York forward Michael Haley went after Johnson on Friday night, prompting Godard to leave the bench in defence of his goaltender.

There were no complaints from the Islanders organization after Campbell made his ruling. Asked if the punishment was fair, GM Garth Snow said the league disciplinarian has a tough job and he would never criticize him.

"I respect the process," Snow said Sunday before the Islanders played at Buffalo. "It was a professionally run process."

Campbell has been particularly busy this season. NHL players have been banned a total of 88 regular-season games over 27 suspensions -- surpassing last year's total of 78 games in 29 suspensions.


http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=353740

BUFFALO, N.Y. -- New York Islanders general manager Garth Snow can accept the NHL's punishment following a fight-filled game against Pittsburgh.

He's just wondering why the Penguins also weren't fined US$100,000.

Snow spoke Sunday before the Islanders' game at Buffalo, and a day after the NHL suspended two Islanders and fined the team for failing to control its players.

The punishment followed the Islanders' 9-3 win over Pittsburgh on Friday in a game that produced 346 penalty minutes.

The Penguins were not fined, and only Eric Godard was suspended 10 games for leaving the bench to join a third-period brawl.

Snow said he was surprised the Penguins also weren't fined, while noting that no Islanders player left the bench to fight.


http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=353855

One day after Mario Lemieux leveled criticism at the National Hockey League for the way they handled the brawl between the Pittsburgh Penguins and New York Islanders, tough guy Zenon Konopka offered his own response after practice on Monday in Ottawa.

Konopka, who has 193 penalty minutes in 56 games, said the Penguins owner and NHL Hall of Famer is out of touch with the league and no longer understands the way things are done.

"I can't believe he's that far removed from the game that he doesn't realize in the heat of the moment what happens," said Konopka. "We're trying to keep our best players on the ice, we want John Tavares to be a superstar in this league and play every night."

On Sunday, the Penguins owner said what happened between his team and the Islanders was a "travesty" and "painful to watch".

Trevor Gillies and Matt Martin of the Islanders were suspended nine games and four games, respectively, a sentence too light for Lemieux.

"The NHL had a chance to send a clear and strong message that those kinds of actions are unacceptable and embarrassing to the sport," Lemieux said. "It failed."

As far as Konopka is concerned, the Islanders are not planning to change the way they play the game.

"We're going to do everything we can to protect our players," said Konopka. "It's not an easy job but we're worried about each other, not outsiders."

The Islanders enforcer is planning however to redecorate his home first chance he gets.

"As soon as I get home, I'm going to take the poster off my bedroom door of Mario."

The Islanders face the Senators at Scotiabank Place in Ottawa on Tuesday.


http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=353871

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Steve Yzerman wants to hear more from Mario Lemieux.

"I think Mario is one of the most well-respected, intelligent people in the game," the Tampa Bay Lightning GM said Monday on a conference call. "I would encourage him (and) I think we should all encourage him to get more involved with the league because he has a lot to offer."

Lemieux made headlines over the weekend by criticizing the NHL's handling of supplemental discipline following a fight-filled matchup between the New York Islanders and Pittsburgh Penguins.

Calling the game a "travesty," the Penguins co-owner said the NHL failed to send the proper message after fining the Islanders US$100,000 and handing two of the team's players 13 games in suspensions -- nine to Trevor Gillies for an elbow to the head of Eric Tangradi and four to Matt Martin for sucker-punching Max Talbot.

"We must make it clear that those kinds of actions will not be tolerated and will be met with meaningful disciplinary action," Lemieux said in his statement. "If the events relating to Friday night reflect the state of the league, I need to re-think whether I want to be a part of it."

A source confirmed to The Canadian Press on Monday that Lemieux wouldn't be fined by the NHL for his biting comments.

The Hockey Hall of Famer has kept a low profile since ending his playing career in January 2006. While not endorsing Lemieux's criticism of league discipline, Yzerman indicated that he hopes his former Team Canada teammate will continue to speak his mind.

"Specifically, I don't know (what more he could do)," said Yzerman. "Again, Mario is really a bright guy and he's really a good guy and he's been around the league and carries a lot of weight.

"I think everyone would encourage to be more involved in everything we do as a league."

Lemieux was unafraid to vent his frustration as a player -- famously calling the NHL a "garage league" in 1992 -- but has rarely expressed an opinion in his role as an owner.

In fact, he's taken part in just two news conferences over the last 20 months. Lemieux answered questions after an alumni game during the recent Winter Classic in Pittsburgh and a couple hours before Game 1 of the 2009 Stanley Cup final.

His statement Sunday certainly got the hockey world talking.

"Obviously, when Mario says something it has to be heard and respected," said Montreal Canadiens forward Michael Cammalleri. "I think the reason it has such an impact is because of his reputation and his track record. He's never been a whistle-blower or anything like that.

"He's a guy who is so well-respected and his outlook on the game is pretty keen, so when someone like that has something to say we should all probably listen."

The Islanders were among those that didn't like what they heard from Super Mario. Forward Zenon Konopka, who grew up idolizing Lemieux, thought the Penguins owner was off the mark.

"As soon as I get home, I'm going to take the poster off my bedroom door of Mario," Konopka told reporters in Ottawa on Monday afternoon. "I can't believe he is that far removed from the game that he doesn't realize ... in the heat of the moment what happens."

The number of fights around the NHL has risen sharply in the last few weeks as the intensity of playoff races seems to have picked up.

Yzerman was home watching TV on Friday night but didn't catch much of the Penguins-Islanders game that featured 346 penalty minutes and 10 ejections.

"I was watching other games actually at the time and every time I flipped back I missed all the action," said Yzerman. "(But) it's strange, there's been a few brawls lately. We haven't had that much in a long time."

The Lightning are currently in the midst of a record-tying 12-game homestand. On Thursday, they'll host the Detroit Red Wings -- the organization Yzerman spent 27 years with before taking the job with Tampa last May.


Edit: Crap, misspelled Lemieux and Of, can a mod fix it... *facepalm*

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Posted 15 February 2011 - 11:39 AM

I have to agree with Lemieux for the most part. I think that s*** with the Isle and Pens was ridiculous and it's the reason people are trying to stop fighting. I'm all for the guys dropping the gloves and settling their problems like men But I am not however a fan of fighting ruining the general sense of the game the overall respect people have for the game. Yeah fighting is part of the game but it doesn't need to be the whole game. This next part is going to sting a little bit...I think because Lemieux is such a respected player and figure in the NHL I think Bettman would be smart to listen to what he has to say and make sure he takes some step to ensure nonsense like this won't be tolerated in the game. Of course, Bettman will probably make a stand the second a Red Wing hits Crosbitch(if his head ever stops hurting). I just think something needs to be done to prevent people like the Isle and the Pens from just destroying the game. It was fun, I watched the game. But as a fan of the game, I think it's sad. I watch hockey to see a lot of hockey and a little bit of fighting not "fight, fight, fight, fight, oh look hockey!"

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Posted 15 February 2011 - 12:19 PM

Lemieux's message may be true, but he went about it in a pretty brain dead way. It's obvious he doesn't care about the state of NHL hockey (as he colleagues have already said regarding his absence from meetings) until it affects his team. It's not "we need to do this to improve the game," it's "my team got punked so down with this sort of thing."
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Posted 15 February 2011 - 01:41 PM

I just hate how most of the talking heads in the media are once again toeing the company line (and yes, even though Lemieux was supposedly speaking against the league, all he was doing was bitching about the league not protecting his little ***** boys - do you honestly think he gives a s*** about Marc Savard or Alexander Ovechkin or anyone else in the league that isn't a Penguin?) and are slobbering all over themselves trying to agree with Lemieux. Even on ESPN yesterday (is the show "Around the Horn" or something?), 3 of the 4 guys were all "Lemieux's the best! Whatever he says is right! This is a tragedy, a tragedy!!!".

If Lemieux wants to take his puck and go home, let him. Let him go and take Crosby with him. The league's better off without their whining, entitled attitudes.


this post is good enough to be published! can't agree more. and where was "Super Mario's" opinion when cooke and talbot were cheapshotting other teams players. it happens every game. i love how the media blows things out of proportion because a former NHL superstar has an opinion, no matter how biased. he's part owner of the Penguins for christ's sake.....of course he's gonna whimper and poop his pants over getting wrecked by the islanders in a physical way like that and on the scoreboard. newsflash Mario...something like this needed to happen to the pens to put a spotlight on them in a way of redemption for other teams. the penguins get away with murder and cry to the media when it builds up with other teams and bites them in the ass. cooke and talbot got a taste of their own medicine finally.

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Posted 15 February 2011 - 02:03 PM

Lemieux's message may be true, but he went about it in a pretty brain dead way. It's obvious he doesn't care about the state of NHL hockey (as he colleagues have already said regarding his absence from meetings) until it affects his team. It's not "we need to do this to improve the game," it's "my team got punked so down with this sort of thing."


EXACTLY!!!

Yes, the core of Marios message was true...

BUT, it was obviously just Mario whining and crying because things didn't go his way, like he has done his whole career, and now taught his little protege to do as well. Not him actually caring about the league or other players.

Mario doesn't really give a s*** at all. As was pointed out before, HIS TEAM is the leader in both penalty minutes AND fighting. He has never said anything about that.

HIS TEAM pays the dirtiest player in the NHL to go out game after game with one goal; injure other players. He doesn't say s*** about that or condemn that kind of play either.

He could be expressing ways to change the game for the positive, with his influential voice, in league meetings. But nope... Mario doesn't give a s***, and doesn't even attend those.

But now that his boys got their ass handed to them for once, NOW he is all up in arms and pretending to care about the league and other players...

Lets call it what it is. Hypocritical bulls***.

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Posted 18 February 2011 - 10:35 AM

Lemieux's message may be true, but he went about it in a pretty brain dead way. It's obvious he doesn't care about the state of NHL hockey (as he colleagues have already said regarding his absence from meetings) until it affects his team. It's not "we need to do this to improve the game," it's "my team got punked so down with this sort of thing."


This. Mario hasn't released any public statements about his team turning his beloved game into a sideshow by leading the league in fighting majors and featuring the league's biggest punk this side of Sean Avery.

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Posted 18 February 2011 - 11:04 AM

This. Mario hasn't released any public statements about his team turning his beloved game into a sideshow by leading the league in fighting majors and featuring the league's biggest punk this side of Sean Avery.


Cooke doesn't deserve to be compared to Avery.

Avery's got a mouth, and somewhat willing to back it up. He doesn't go out on the ice with the intent to injure, just annoy.

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Posted 18 February 2011 - 11:16 AM

Exactly. Avery's a pest, but Cooke is genuinely dangerous.

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Posted 18 February 2011 - 03:02 PM

His speech writer has been on vacation; but now, from the great man himself... from TSN:

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"I have the utmost respect and regard for Mario Lemieux, but we're not going to engage in a public debate on this," Bettman said before Thursday night's game between Detroit and Tampa Bay. "We are very comfortable with the way the league responded to Friday night's game."
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Posted 19 February 2011 - 08:15 PM

Don Cherry is absolutely CRUSHING Lemieux on Coaches Corner tonight.


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#259 Detroit # 1 Fan

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Posted 19 February 2011 - 08:15 PM

Don Cherry just ripped Mario a new one. Seriously, anyone who hates Pittsburgh and hypocrisy, check it out :D

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#260 BigWillieStyle

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Posted 19 February 2011 - 08:30 PM

Wow, I'm amazed at how much I am in agreement with Grapes tonight. Even the Glencross and shot blocking parts. This is a very rare occasion. I'd better take my meds.





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