Lines I'd roll at 100%

[GMRwings1983 8,794]

After scoring nearly a PPG pace over a couple months, Flip get demoted to the third line. I understand why, but this crap about Flip never having his breakout season needs to be put to rest.

Top 2 lines are playing well right now. No reason to break that up until something changes.

Bertuzzi > Fillpulla

Edited February 21, 2011 by GMRwings1983

[Z and D for the C 712]

Top 2 lines are playing well right now. No reason to break that up until something changes.

I know. That's why I said "I understand why". I'm just saying is that the reason Filppula has never had his "break out" year is because he always gets shafted in terms of ice time and linemates. When he has linemates and ice time befitting a top 6 center, he puts up a lot of points.

Bertuzzi > Fillpulla

Nope.

[uk_redwing 495]

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[HankthaTank 1,100]

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Edited February 21, 2011 by HankthaTank

[GMRwings1983 8,794]

I know. That's why I said "I understand why". I'm just saying is that the reason Filppula has never had his "break out" year is because he always gets shafted in terms of ice time and linemates. When he has linemates and ice time befitting a top 6 center, he puts up a lot of points.

Nope.

Well, he's injured frequently, so he loses his spot to others.

That's why Hudler is currently slated to be on the top 2 lines even when Flip returns. Gotta have more durability.

[uk_redwing 495]

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Pointless post in a pointless thread.

[Z and D for the C 712]

Well, he's injured frequently, so he loses his spot to others.

That's why Hudler is currently slated to be on the top 2 lines even when Flip returns. Gotta have more durability.

Don't tempt me, GMR.

[St. Michael (the Red Wing) 422]

Don't like the fact that Draper or Abs will sit when Modano comes back. Miller yes the other 2 no. I find the Modano signing more frustrating than ever just cause our young guns aren't gonna gett that ice time. Also Modano wasn't tearing it up either before the injury. Interesting that Babs said that he's gonna put Modano, Flipper and Holmstrom on a line. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Edited February 22, 2011 by St. Michael (the Red Wing)

[Shaman 713]

I know. That's why I said "I understand why". I'm just saying is that the reason Filppula has never had his "break out" year is because he always gets shafted in terms of ice time and linemates. When he has linemates and ice time befitting a top 6 center, he puts up a lot of points.

Nope.

First Flip peak vs Bert peak? or Flip now vs Bert now? and its hard to compare them now, Bert is a 36 year old winger coming off of a bad back and the Moore incidence and makes less money. I would say Bert>Flip because they (were at least before Flips injury) both on pace for 50 points, but since Bertuzzi is actually durable and will more than likely play 82 games and will reach 50 points I think hes worth more to the team.

Second his break out season never comes because hes never been consistent or injury free, its pretty mathematical, Flip doesn't score well, hes pretty healthy, he gets really hot and he gets injured. He needs to be more durable he needs to play and score more consistently or else hes always going to be a borderline 2nd/3rd line. I mean you've called him Zetterberg light, but Z had 92 points at 27 years old, flip wont break 50.

Oh and for the record, I would still trade him for Jordan Staal.

[Z and D for the C 712]

First Flip peak vs Bert peak? or Flip now vs Bert now? and its hard to compare them now, Bert is a 36 year old winger coming off of a bad back and the Moore incidence and makes less money. I would say Bert>Flip because they (were at least before Flips injury) both on pace for 50 points, but since Bertuzzi is actually durable and will more than likely play 82 games and will reach 50 points I think hes worth more to the team.

Second his break out season never comes because hes never been consistent or injury free, its pretty mathematical, Flip doesn't score well, hes pretty healthy, he gets really hot and he gets injured. He needs to be more durable he needs to play and score more consistently or else hes always going to be a borderline 2nd/3rd line. I mean you've called him Zetterberg light, but Z had 92 points at 27 years old, flip wont break 50.

Oh and for the record, I would still trade him for Jordan Staal.

I love it. Flip gets injured by chance twice and now he's injury prone and not durable, and so he sucks. Man, whatever ammo you can get your hands on you send to the moon.

Maybe he would break 50 if he ever got a legit second line role. But he always get delegated to the third line despite his performance as a borderline first line player.

I'm pretty sure GMR is just joking, but what you're saying is just stupid.

Edited February 22, 2011 by Z and D for the C

[Guest blueadams]

Don't like the fact that Draper or Abs will sit when Modano comes back. Miller yes the other 2 no. I find the Modano signing more frustrating than ever just cause our young guns aren't gonna gett that ice time. Also Modano wasn't tearing it up either before the injury. Interesting that Babs said that he's gonna put Modano, Flipper and Holmstrom on a line. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

I guess my original third line of Modano-Filppula-Holmstrom wasn't so stupid then, was it?

It's what I'd roll with, so they're my lines in the way that the lines you posted are your lines.

also in the way that their the exact same lines babs started the season with...real creative though!

[Theophany 110]

also in the way that their the exact same lines babs started the season with...real creative though!

And what's your point? That I like Babcock's lines that we were using during our most successful section of the season?

[eva unit zero 271]

I know. That's why I said "I understand why". I'm just saying is that the reason Filppula has never had his "break out" year is because he always gets shafted in terms of ice time and linemates. When he has linemates and ice time befitting a top 6 center, he puts up a lot of points.

Hudler is on a 100-point pace since being put on the second line with Dats and Cleary after they came back. Just sayin.

Flip is a good second line center, and I can see him being a first-line center (play level, not ever actually being the Wings' top center with Z and Dats only a couple years older. Or if he's traded or leaves as UFA.) But he's the best fit to center the third line. He's good both ways and good on faceoffs. He can play a defensive role or an offensive role.

I do admit though, line combinations of Hudler/Modano/Holmstrom, Bertuzzi/Modano/Holmstrom, and Cleary/Modano/Holmstrom would have been interesting. All of them would have taken away from the top two lines though; Flip doesn't provide the scoring presence that Hudler does, and Cleary is the net presence on his line. Bert is the net presence on his line, which would then be filled by Franzen, and Flip would not fill the scoring role in any similar capacity as Franzen, and is not the playmaker that Z is.

Modano/Flip/Homer is the best third line to start with. Modano's shot won't be at full power or accuracy, but it will be closer than his passing. And putting him in the scorer's role fits his play style better as shooting has always been his preference; he didn't fit with Hudler because he would in many cases carry the puck up ice and take a shot on the rush rather than wait for support and setup to control the rebounds via a puck possession style, which has always been a huge strength of Hudler's.

[Aussie_Wing 354]

Hudler is on a 100-point pace since being put on the second line with Dats and Cleary after they came back. Just sayin.

Flip is a good second line center, and I can see him being a first-line center (play level, not ever actually being the Wings' top center with Z and Dats only a couple years older. Or if he's traded or leaves as UFA.) But he's the best fit to center the third line. He's good both ways and good on faceoffs. He can play a defensive role or an offensive role.

I do admit though, line combinations of Hudler/Modano/Holmstrom, Bertuzzi/Modano/Holmstrom, and Cleary/Modano/Holmstrom would have been interesting. All of them would have taken away from the top two lines though; Flip doesn't provide the scoring presence that Hudler does, and Cleary is the net presence on his line. Bert is the net presence on his line, which would then be filled by Franzen, and Flip would not fill the scoring role in any similar capacity as Franzen, and is not the playmaker that Z is.

Modano/Flip/Homer is the best third line to start with. Modano's shot won't be at full power or accuracy, but it will be closer than his passing. And putting him in the scorer's role fits his play style better as shooting has always been his preference; he didn't fit with Hudler because he would in many cases carry the puck up ice and take a shot on the rush rather than wait for support and setup to control the rebounds via a puck possession style, which has always been a huge strength of Hudler's.

You could make up those type of numbers for anyone.

Bertuzzi is on 100 goal pace since the start of the back-to-back against Boston. Just sayin.

[mmamolo 287]

For the Modano/Flip/Homlstrom combination has any one heard for sure that Flip will centre that line? I read that Babcock will try the combination but I didnt see anything saying who'd centre. Personally I'd rather see Flip centre the line because he can distribute the puck and he's better defensively but at the same time he's got experience on the wing.

Any one heard officially who plans to centre that line?

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

It's what I'd roll with, so they're my lines in the way that the lines you posted are your lines.

also in the way that their the exact same lines babs started the season with...real creative though!

This coming from the guy who only starts one type of thread and does its repeatedly.

Not that it was my argument to get into though....just sayin.

[St. Michael (the Red Wing) 422]

I guess my original third line of Modano-Filppula-Holmstrom wasn't so stupid then, was it?

also in the way that their the exact same lines babs started the season with...real creative though!

I never said it was stupid. "also in the way that their the exact same lines babs started the season with" wtf? I don't get your point, please elaborate....

Edited February 22, 2011 by St. Michael (the Red Wing)

[uk_redwing 495]

Hudler is on a 100-point pace since being put on the second line with Dats and Cleary after they came back. Just sayin.

You never learn do you?

I need to find my Aaron Downey 200 point season post.

[Shaman 713]

I love it. Flip gets injured by chance twice and now he's injury prone and not durable, and so he sucks. Man, whatever ammo you can get your hands on you send to the moon.

Maybe he would break 50 if he ever got a legit second line role. But he always get delegated to the third line despite his performance as a borderline first line player.

I'm pretty sure GMR is just joking, but what you're saying is just stupid.

Honestly about 50% of that was just to bug you because you keep making excuses for Flip, Hudler had 57 points on the 3rd/4th line yet you keep saying that Flip is a better player, and that hes due for a break out season. You are a massive Flip apologist and just like Eva you can't admit that your favorite player isn't quite as dominant as you make them out to be. He had a legit second line role both of these last two seasons, this season IF he kept up his consistency (and that was the 100% serious part of my post) he would have just broken 50 points by the skin of his teeth, but he always seems to be get really hot then disappear. You always seem to ignore anyone when they bring up this issue. As for the injury thing, who knows, I really hope that my tongue and cheek jab stays that way, and next year he will finally play 82 games as a 2nd/3rd liner and actually score more than 40 odd points. But bottom line is he has yet to score 50 points so hes not a 50 point guy yet.

Edited February 22, 2011 by Shaman464

[Z and D for the C 712]

Hudler had 57 points on the 3rd/4th line yet you keep saying that Flip is a better player

A) It was the third line. He played more time on the second line than on the fourth line. Second, he was getting gobs of powerplay time that Filppula wasn't getting. Filppula scored more ES point than Hudler that season. Albeit he got more time, but Both Hudler's and Filppula's ES P/M were identical. And this is with Hudler playing more time with Zetterberg and Filppula being put out in all situations when offense isn't the goal.

He had a legit second line role both of the last two seasons

You obviously have no memory. In 0809 with Hossa he was on the third line for pretty much the entire season. Last season he got top 6 minutes and did very well given his teammates. He started on the third line last season though. This is the first season he started on the second.

this season IF he kept up his consistency (and that was the 100% serious part of my post) he would have just broken 50 points by the skin of his teeth, but he always seems to be get really hot then disappear.

He was pretty consistently hot for 2 months or however long it was.

Edited February 22, 2011 by Z and D for the C

[Shaman 713]

A) It was the third line. He played more time on the second line than on the fourth line. Second, he was getting gobs of powerplay time that Filppula wasn't getting. Filppula scored more ES point than Hudler that season. Albeit he got more time, but Both Hudler's and Filppula's ES P/M were identical. And this is with Hudler playing more time with Zetterberg and Filppula being put out in all situations when offense isn't the goal.

You obviously have no memory. In 0809 with Hossa he was on the third line for pretty much the entire season. Last season he got top 6 minutes and did very well given his teammates. He started on the third line last season though. This is the first season he started on the second.

He was pretty consistently hot for 2 months or however long it was.

Yea but before he got hot for that (I think it was a month and a half because in December I think he went 11 games with 3 points ) period he was pretty invisible then right before he got hurt he seemed to disappear (no points in 3 games before his injury).

And since I said the last two seasons being inclusive of this season I don't see why you're bring up 08-09. As for very well, I would say thats your opinion, I would say he did alright, but wasn't exceptional. *edited my post he quoted for clarity, meant these not the*

But lets get back to my point, there is no reason to put Flip on the second line when he gets back with our first two lines playing as well as they are.

Edited February 22, 2011 by Shaman464

[HankthaTank 1,100]

But lets get back to my point, there is no reason to put Flip on the second line when he gets back with our first two lines playing as well as they are.

/argument

[Mabuhay Red Wings 177]

A lot more players are playing better and with more confidence to the point where they can spit out the company line, 'You're playing with great players no matter what line you're on' and actually believe it.

[GMRwings1983 8,794]

This is sad.

Filppula and Hudler homers arguing about which player is better.

Like two *** decorators arguing about which one is tougher.

[Z and D for the C 712]

he was pretty invisible then right before he got hurt he seemed to disappear (no points in 3 games before his injury).

you mean when the entire team was invisible and Flip has moved down with Eaves and Abdelkader?

But lets get back to my point, there is no reason to put Flip on the second line when he gets back with our first two lines playing as well as they are.

I never argued against that point. Maybe I should remind you what my point was?