mmamolo 287 Report post Posted February 23, 2011 Posters on this board are never happy. Take a look at Holmstrom's stat lines from the last 4 years (including this years). For what he has earned and the number of games he has played he has been well worth it. On top of that think of how much goals he has created and not been credited with a point (through screens, driving the net, puck retrieval etc.) 2007-2008 Red Wings GM 59 G 20 A 20 PTS 40 +/- 9 2008-2009 Red Wings GM 53 G 14 A 23 PTS 37 +/- 18 2009-2010 Red Wings GM 68 G 25 A 20 PTS 45 +/- 5 2010-2011 Red Wings GM 51 G 12 A 14 PTS 26 +/- -1 Now poster's want to complain that Zetterberg isn't potting as many goals as he should be. That is absurd. He is getting paid to create goals - whether he is the guy putting the puck in the net or assisting on them. That's on top of being a leader of this team and being one of the premier two way players in the league. He is on pace for: GM 82 G 24 A 65 PTS 89 +/- +10 Yeah, we'd all love if he scored more goals but 86 pts would be his second most productive season in his career. Not to mention that he put this team on his back while Datsyuk was injured. He is currently 5th in the NHL in scoring (pts) and 3rd in the NHL assists. He is one of the best leaders in the game and yet posters are 'irked' by him. Posters are still hating on Hudler despite his turn around from his terrible start to the regular season. He has now registered 22 pts (5 g, 17 a) in his last 25 games and during that stretch he is a +8. So many posters here attribute his success completely to Datsyuk's return which is completely unfair. Prior to Datsyuk's return Hudler had 12 pts (3 g, 9 a) in 17 games. Obviously Datsyuk deserves some credit has since his return Hudler has put up 10 pts (2g, 8 a) in 8 games and we should all be pumped about that but there are so few people on this site that give players credit where credit is due. 4 HankthaTank, Datsyuk Fan, Original-Six and 1 other reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rick Zombos Ghost 82 Report post Posted February 23, 2011 I got the impression from his comments when he returned that his fracture is still bothering him. I would say with his style of play mainly consisting of taking a constant beating maybe they are playing him less to be safe. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,793 Report post Posted February 23, 2011 (edited) The criticism of Zetterberg's goal scoring is legit. He's 5th in the league in shots taken, but he's scored only 18 goals. It's not like he's stopped shooting the puck and has turned into a pass first player. Problem is he isn't putting the puck in the net like he used to. Don't know if that means he isn't going to the scoring areas, but it's certainly a legit point for people to bring up. It's great that he's still racking up points and getting all these assists, but it's strange to see his goals diminish like this. Oh, and where's my boy Jake Ryan when you need him for this thread? Edited February 23, 2011 by GMRwings1983 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doc Holliday 1,888 Report post Posted February 23, 2011 +1 ive had enough of him right now. Playing like a wasted top 6 player. That's what I love about this site. Get on a player's ass for getting cold (how many goal scorers do that?) then acting like they are the second coming when they go on a streak. Stamkos has had three periods of 6 games without scoring a goal, and he is considered the best shooter in the NHL. Goal scorers are streaky, let it go. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DatsyukianDekes 2,428 Report post Posted February 23, 2011 (edited) That's what I love about this site. Get on a player's ass for getting cold (how many goal scorers do that?) then acting like they are the second coming when they go on a streak. Stamkos has had three periods of 6 games without scoring a goal, and he is considered the best shooter in the NHL. Goal scorers are streaky, let it go. for getting cold ? hes done it consistently for the year, im not even talking about scoring goals, its his overall play. He won't backcheck and he's not going to the right areas or battling. He turned over the puck 5 times (when I actually started counting). It would be interesting to point out where I thought he was the second coming, I constantly lay on him for his effort. Watch the first 10 games this season and how he played, then watch the next 35. Don't compare Stamkos to Franzen... Edited February 23, 2011 by darkmanx Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doc Holliday 1,888 Report post Posted February 23, 2011 (edited) for getting cold ? hes done it consistently for the year, im not even talking about scoring goals, its his overall play. He won't backcheck Wrong. and he's not going to the right areas or battling. He has battled plenty. Also he is the sniper of the line and his job is to get into the right areas to score. That's how he has gotten his chances, they just haven't gotten in. He turned over the puck 5 times (when I actually started counting). You should work for the NHL with that kind of stat taking. It would be interesting to point out where I thought he was the second coming, I constantly lay on him for his effort. My point was the hilarity of some Wings fans. If you honestly dog Franzen for his effort then you really must have hated the multi-goal games he had where he did pretty much the same thing. Watch the first 10 games this season and how he played, then watch the next 35. Don't compare Stamkos to Franzen... Thank you for completely missing the point behind the comparison. If you honestly think he is a wasted top 6 player you are going to have a rough next few years while Franzen is scoring 30+ goals consistently and getting the points in the playoffs while playing "lazy". Edited February 23, 2011 by Doc Holliday 1 GoWings1905 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Learn2LuvIt 245 Report post Posted February 23, 2011 Don't know why Babcock isn't using him constantly on the powerplay anymore. I guess it might be because he doesn't have chemistry 5 on 5 with those linemates due to playing on the lower lines. Still, there's no point dressing him if he's not going to be on the powerplay. Maybe because it takes Homey 10 coveted power play seconds to make his way from the bench on a line change to the front of the net. In his older age, he's now almost as "fast" as Larry Murphy used to be. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rrasco 1,312 Report post Posted February 23, 2011 Posters are still hating on Hudler despite his turn around from his terrible start to the regular season. He has now registered 22 pts (5 g, 17 a) in his last 25 games and during that stretch he is a +8. So many posters here attribute his success completely to Datsyuk's return which is completely unfair. Prior to Datsyuk's return Hudler had 12 pts (3 g, 9 a) in 17 games. Obviously Datsyuk deserves some credit has since his return Hudler has put up 10 pts (2g, 8 a) in 8 games and we should all be pumped about that but there are so few people on this site that give players credit where credit is due. Not to mention I think he is currently on an 8 game point streak...at least thats what I thought Ken and Mick said last night. How does that saying go, oh yes....haters gonna hate. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
St. Michael (the Red Wing) 422 Report post Posted February 23, 2011 As much as I don't like seeing Holmstrom out there on the ice 5 on 5 he's still producing points. Whether it's on the pp or not. His net presence is quality enough. His time is coming to an end yes. If we are on the hook with him for next year so be it. My only problem with him is when everyone returns what line is he ending up on? Wouldn't mind seeing with Hank and Dats again. Babs has got some tough decisions to make in the next month imo... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest mjtm77 Report post Posted February 23, 2011 every one on here was so happy when dats and zetty were back together there was talk of playing them like that all year so they get there chemistry back. I bet if we get eliminated early in the playoffs you guys will ***** about how zetty should have been playing with dats all year. anyway iam getting offtopic but it seems like every one els did. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Barrie 900 Report post Posted February 24, 2011 Homer has never been that good 5 on 5, it's nothing new. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
13dangledangle 957 Report post Posted February 24, 2011 (edited) For a guy who skates like Homer, it's no surprise he's not contributing playing with Abdelkader and Miller. Once Fil and Modano are back and we can roll 3 scoring lines, I expect Homer will be better. Honestly, i've liked his game lately. He's made smart passes, played good defence. I think he'll be fine. Franzen is more of a piss off for me, he's playing with talent and scoring no goals. Holmer is what he is and does it better then anyone when able to, when half the team goes down and he is filling other rolls he is obviously unable to do what he does...like I mean Datsyuk-Zetterberg-Holmstrom_Miller-Abdelkader-Holmstrom. You cant judge a guy from that, but when his contract is up lets be honest it is up. Now on to Mule, and its as simple as this, this guys needs to spend as much time working on how to score as much as he spends complaining about not scoring, or looking at his stick, its not the blade ******* its you f*** off and get back to the basics PUT THE PUCK IN THE NET....on a side note, Id also love to see a swop between Mule and Clears... Edited February 24, 2011 by 13dangledangle Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Majsheppard 203 Report post Posted February 24, 2011 I said last year that he shouldn't even be on our team anymore, not because of his skill or quality. Just that the greatest asset he brings to our team is mucking it up in front and the league decided to neuter him on that front. I don't think we need to get rid of him because he comes so reasonably priced and his value is measured in the locker room as well. I love Homer, but I am glad to see him on the bottom lines. His skills are many but he belongs on the power play but not the top six. I think he will pick it up, but we all know the refs won't let him be as big a factor as before. His rep is just too big of a deal. Without that netfront presence, he just isn't anything more than a fourth liner now. It would be like buying an Iphone that couldn't do anything because it was on a crummy network! In this season there are too many pieces for him to be featured, but there is going to be a time when we praise the heavens and the front office when he tips in a big clutch goal for us, and the refs actually let him have it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Majsheppard 203 Report post Posted February 24, 2011 The best thing you can say though, is he is indoctrinated. The guy knows how to play Red Wing hockey. He will always be a good teammate and give it his all. He just has never been anything more than a role player. Lucky for us that is all we need. The guy is solid and we shouldn't give him crap. It isn't like we are paying him four million or anything. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Crymson Report post Posted February 24, 2011 Other teams and PbPers everywhere praise Holmstrom as the best in the business at screening goaltenders. Leave it to our own fans to complain about him. Surprise. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wingslogo19 281 Report post Posted February 24, 2011 (edited) I wouldn't want anyone else in front of the net come play off time.. HOMER Edited February 28, 2011 by wingslogo19 1 Hockeymom1960 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mabuhay Red Wings 177 Report post Posted February 24, 2011 I wouldn't want anyone in front of the net come play off time.. HOMER But that's the time of the year where you have to have at least two or three guys at the net. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mabuhay Red Wings 177 Report post Posted February 25, 2011 He... Scored a goal tonight... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hockeytown0001 7,652 Report post Posted February 25, 2011 Scoring when it doesn't matter. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dirtydangles 1,328 Report post Posted February 25, 2011 i still liked the way he played tonight. when he got put up on the top line he brought it hard. i fully expect to see ZDH reunited when healthy. they were creating chances at the end there. he played harder than anyone out there tonight. 1 Hockeymom1960 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mmamolo 287 Report post Posted February 25, 2011 Other teams and PbPers everywhere praise Holmstrom as the best in the business at screening goaltenders. Leave it to our own fans to complain about him. Surprise. Not only that but despite the Wings having a terrible night he was the one guy battling the hardest out there. Even when playing with Miller and Abdelkader he was creating space and battling for the puck. Even ignoring the goal, any one posting in this thread that can't acknowledge what he did last night is blind. If you're going to say 'well, it's only one game', then you're just dumb because he plays that hard all the time. His value was on full display last night. 1 Hockeymom1960 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bryguy 103 Report post Posted February 25, 2011 Since franzen is a perimeter player now, him and cleary are going to be key in the playoffs.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Howard He Do It?! Report post Posted February 26, 2011 Since franzen is a perimeter player now, him and cleary are going to be key in the playoffs.... Babs has been quoted on how he wants Franzen closer to the net and not hanging out on the perimeter as much. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SouthernWingsFan 854 Report post Posted February 26, 2011 Holmstrom's never been fleet of foot, and while a lot of his goals come from mucking and hard work in front of the net, put a lot of guys with skilled people like Datsyuk and Zetterberg and their numbers will go up. Play with 3rd liners like Abdelkader or Miller, the stat numbers will probably go down a bit. They obviously haven't carried him 24-7-365, but just basically pointing out the obviously that playing with talented guys like Datsyuk and Zetterberg will probably help your numbers some. He's all but done after next season but he's far from a problem on this team. Once everybody gets healthy again or if this team really starts to hit a snag, the line combos will be juggled and he'll be with more offensive-capable producers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Heroes of Hockeytown 694 Report post Posted February 27, 2011 Homer with a nice screen on the PP tonight, Miller never saw a thing. 2 Hockeymom1960 and Nev reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
