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The blackhawks had just got beaten out of the western conference finals and added Hossa at the start of the season. They were a young and hungry team.

And won the cup without a deadline deal. Point being, a team isn't required to change assets at the deadline to be a player in the post-season.

The wings are full of guys with big contracts that have all pretty much won a cup, adding some fresh blood wouldn't be awful, espcially when the wings have been getting exposed on the defensive side of the game

Regular season complacency in February isn't a new thing in Detroit.

If Holland thought there was a move that would make this team better, he would do it. There are a couple guys that would be nice to have but they may not even be available or had at the right price to come to Detroit. Either way, one or two deals isn't going to shake up the team.

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starting to get tired of kenny and his " insert injured player here" is our deadline acquisition. I'm not saying make a trade for the sake of making a trade but he should be trying to make this team better. this team will not win a cup this year with the current D and goaltending issues.

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And won the cup without a deadline deal. Point being, a team isn't required to change assets at the deadline to be a player in the post-season.

Nobody said it was a must except you?

Regular season complacency in February isn't a new thing in Detroit.

If Holland thought there was a move that would make this team better, he would do it. There are a couple guys that would be nice to have but they may not even be available or had at the right price to come to Detroit. Either way, one or two deals isn't going to shake up the team.

Maybe if we weren't right up against the cap every trade deadline we could make some good moves to help things like our D and backup goalie situations when they're needed. Instead we load up with Modano's and Hudlers to the point that we HAVE to stay pat every year because we have no money to spend. That's what frustrates folks I think.

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Well, giving up 3-4 goals a game is not going to cut it in the playoffs. Holland needs to make a move.

For what? The Wings can't bring in an expensive shut-down defenseman to sit on the 3rd line. Defensemen are going to be overpriced at this year's deadline anyway.

Lidstrom-Rafalski-Stuart-Kronwall isn't exactly a cheap or a bad top 4. In a cap world you can't go and grab a 4 million dollar defenseman to play on the 3rd pairing anyway.

Rafalski needs play a smarter game and the entire team needs to be committed to playing Red Wings hockey for 60mins every night. Our 1st periods have been horrible lately.

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Our team is much improved over last year's, and the year before that we were in the SCF. It's not like The Wings have completely failed in many playoffs in a row. Even last year they could have won against San Jose if some pucks bounced differently.

Only a maniacal homer would say that a 4-1 series, where are only win was a against a Sharks team that didn't know they were playing that day, would say that that series could have gone either way.

Now I need to make 2 more posts before game time so I can be ready for make my 5kth post for a Filppula goal and fulfill the prophecy.

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Nobody said it was a must except you?

Maybe if we weren't right up against the cap every trade deadline we could make some good moves to help things like our D and backup goalie situations when they're needed. Instead we load up with Modano's and Hudlers to the point that we HAVE to stay pat every year because we have no money to spend. That's what frustrates folks I think.

esteef

I don't know if we have to stay pat. We could always waive people left and right. Maybe Modano would like to play in GR then we could trade for someone. Isn't that right Chicago? :ph34r:

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Nobody said it was a must except you?

Maybe if we weren't right up against the cap every trade deadline we could make some good moves to help things like our D and backup goalie situations when they're needed. Instead we load up with Modano's and Hudlers to the point that we HAVE to stay pat every year because we have no money to spend. That's what frustrates folks I think.

esteef

And maybe if we didn't add depth in the offseason we could be fighting for a 9th/8th/7th western conference finish right now. Holland > Esteef.

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And maybe if we didn't add depth in the offseason we could be fighting for a 9th/8th/7th western conference finish right now. Holland > Esteef.

Maybe if we made the right move at the deadline we'd have 3 Cups in 4 years not 1.

esteef > everyone else

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For what? The Wings can't bring in an expensive shut-down defenseman to sit on the 3rd line. Defensemen are going to be overpriced at this year's deadline anyway.

Lidstrom-Rafalski-Stuart-Kronwall isn't exactly a cheap or a bad top 4. In a cap world you can't go and grab a 4 million dollar defenseman to play on the 3rd pairing anyway.

Rafalski needs play a smarter game and the entire team needs to be committed to playing Red Wings hockey for 60mins every night. Our 1st periods have been horrible lately.

Why can't you? Kronwall is a 3 million dollar defenseman and has played the 3rd paring this season!!!!

The contracts are prorated anyway so it's not like we are paying the full amount of the contract anyway. Plus we'd most likely be looking at guys that are UFA in the summer so the contracts won't hurt next year's cap unless re-signed.

And I'd ship off some roster players to get that stay-at-home defenseman that will clear the net and block shots.

I want another Cup. :champs:

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Nobody said it was a must except you?

People sure as hell act like it.

Maybe if we weren't right up against the cap every trade deadline we could make some good moves to help things like our D and backup goalie situations when they're needed. Instead we load up with Modano's and Hudlers to the point that we HAVE to stay pat every year because we have no money to spend. That's what frustrates folks I think.

esteef

Hudler sure has been playing up to his salary lately. Modano dealt with an unfortunate injury as well, so I'm not sure why having those players in the lineup would frustrate people.

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Two sources confirm #redwings have kicked tires regarding #thrashers Zach Bogosian, but say deal unlikely to happen.

#NHL#thrashers asking price for Bogosian - Hudler, Ericsson or Kindl and high draft pick - too big a price for #redwings to pay at this point.

I'd do Hudler and first and Ericsson for Bogo.

Maybe if we made the right move at the deadline we'd have 3 Cups in 4 years not 1.

esteef > everyone else

And maybe if trees didn't have branches, there'd be a lot less voyeurs in the world.

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Two sources confirm #redwings have kicked tires regarding #thrashers Zach Bogosian, but say deal unlikely to happen.

#NHL#thrashers asking price for Bogosian - Hudler, Ericsson or Kindl and high draft pick - too big a price for #redwings to pay at this point.

I'd do Hudler and first and Ericsson for Bogo.

And maybe if trees didn't have branches, there'd be a lot less voyeurs in the world.

kenny already shot that down

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Hudler sure has been playing up to his salary lately. Modano dealt with an unfortunate injury as well, so I'm not sure why having those players in the lineup would frustrate people.

Not the players themselves necessarily, just the money spent on guys that haven't really pulled their weight when now we arguably have some needs and can't fulfill them. (I agree though that Hudler has looked better lately but who doesn't on a line with Dats and Cleary?). I guess I would feel better about Holland saying the roster is fine if he had money to spend and didn't than him saying it when he's basically broke.

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Two sources confirm #redwings have kicked tires regarding #thrashers Zach Bogosian, but say deal unlikely to happen.

#NHL#thrashers asking price for Bogosian - Hudler, Ericsson or Kindl and high draft pick - too big a price for #redwings to pay at this point.

I'd do Hudler and first and Ericsson for Bogo.

And maybe if trees didn't have branches, there'd be a lot less voyeurs in the world.

If Kenny got Bogosian for Hudler and Ericsson, I would never complain about anything Red Wing related again.. that'd be unreal.

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If Kenny got Bogosian for Hudler and Ericsson, I would never complain about anything Red Wing related again.. that'd be unreal.

even if this isn't true kenny should be at least calling atlanta to see if a package like that would work. If he isn't then he's not doing his job, getting bogosian would be unreal and if he really is available kenny should be doing everything possible to get him.

Bogosian is a guy you want to build your D around. Imagine a Smith/Bogosian top pairing 3-4 years down the road. The Wings have the assets, I pray this deal comes to life.

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Doc asked who the Hawks aquired at the deadline, hossa was not a deadline deal.

You don't think Lidstrom/Draper/Ozzie/Modano want to go out on top or guys like Helm/Abby/Eaves/Miller/Salei/Big E/JHowww don't want to prove something in the playoffs? We have a full line up of guys that will give 110% in the playoffs this year.

If we brought in a guy, it's be a 12th/13th forward or a 6th/7th DMan. All which could help or could have no impact at all. All in all, it's not worth getting fussy about from anyone. We have a Stanley Cup able team right now, there are maybe 4 teams including with the Wings that actually have a real shot at winning the cup this year.

Once they put in the effort to play 110% in the regular season consistently I will believe they can do it in the playoffs. Since out last SC yes we went back to the SCF but we lost it with an a 2-0 game advantage as well. 2010 damn near swept in the second round but they decided to show up for one game. Could we win it maybe but I am honestly not 100% certain that we can with how inconsistent we have been.

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A much more realistic option might be that after the season the wings trade for Bogosians rights since he does not want to play in Atlanta.

Either way we know that the wings are looking into him and that maybe this offseason Bogosian could become a wing. Maybe it only takes Hudler and a pick at that point since it is only for his rights.

I hope somehow this happens but I do doubt that it will happen this deadline

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Hudler, Ericsson and a 1st/2nd for Bogosian would be a sweet deal. We're overly deep on offense so sending a forward away to shore up our D like that would be sick. Can we afford the cap hit though? I'm much too lazy to check.

Their salaries I'm fairly sure would offset.

A much more realistic option might be that after the season the wings trade for Bogosians rights since he does not want to play in Atlanta.

Either way we know that the wings are looking into him and that maybe this offseason Bogosian could become a wing. Maybe it only takes Hudler and a pick at that point since it is only for his rights.

I hope somehow this happens but I do doubt that it will happen this deadline

And there is still a chance another team would offer sheet him to a big contract and we get a couple of excellent picks for him.

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Hudler, Ericsson and a 1st/2nd for Bogosian would be a sweet deal. We're overly deep on offense so sending a forward away to shore up our D like that would be sick. Can we afford the cap hit though? I'm much too lazy to check.

I mentioned this trade weeks ago when the rumors that bogosian was available came out. everyone shot it down saying it would never happen. Now look, it became a possibility. This is a no brainer for me. gotta do this deal, id even sweeten the pot by throwing in someone like emmerton.

In the future, a guy like zach bogosian could have a huge impact - one greater than all those players combined. I love the idea of a Bogosian/Smith top line. This trade would please me and hold me over for a couple years - in other words, i would never ask kenny for another thing.

The day this happens (if) i might even cry of joy.

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Hudler, Ericsson and a 1st/2nd for Bogosian would be a sweet deal. We're overly deep on offense so sending a forward away to shore up our D like that would be sick. Can we afford the cap hit though? I'm much too lazy to check.

Yes we can afford it, as far as I can tell.

I dug into this a bit more with Bob Duff, he tells me (via twitter conversation) that the source was inside the organization, and Holland inquired upon the price.

Obviously, this is too high for him if it didn't move forward. I think this might be the best shot at any move though, we will have to wait and see.

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Yes we can afford it, as far as I can tell.

I dug into this a bit more with Bob Duff, he tells me (via twitter conversation) that the source was inside the organization, and Holland inquired upon the price.

Obviously this is too high for him if it didn't move forward. I think this might be the best shot at any move though, we will have to wait and see.

don't know how credible this guy is but i don't see why someone would make this up. maybe there is some sort of conspiracy that lidstrom told kenny he is retiring after this season and kenny is trying to get another franchise d man of the future.

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This rumor has it's own page in the mill, if you hear anything might want to post it there.

don't know how credible this guy is but i don't see why someone would make this up. maybe there is some sort of conspiracy that lidstrom told kenny he is retiring after this season and kenny is trying to get another franchise d man of the future.

I don't know either, but at least he has press credentials. Makes it less likely to be complete bull. Plus his word got Pierre LeBrun to respond.

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Perhaps those of you wanting deadline activity would rather than Holland do less of a good job building the team during the offseason? This would open the way for him to spend assets to fill the gaps at the deadline. Would that be better?

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Perhaps those of you wanting deadline activity would rather than Holland do less of a good job building the team during the offseason? This would open the way for him to spend assets to fill the gaps at the deadline. Would that be better?

Doing a good job and not spending all the money are not mutually exclusive.

esteef

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